Spinning multiple plates at once vs. just having an Abudance mentality

[Tenacity]

Can you have the same feeling as someone who has real abundance without having abundance? Yes you can.

Dude, no you can't lol. There's a completely different level of comfort with a guy who has food stocked in the refrigerator, with savings, and a good paying job..........to the guy with nothing stocked, no job, no savings, and without him knowing where his next meal will come from.

That underlined portion is the key here with this "abundance" mentality notion. There's NO WAY any guy on here can have an abundance mentality with women unless he truly knows where his:

- Next piece of pvssy will come from
- Next date will come from
- Next relationship will come from

Spinning plates can potentially assist, but all of the plates could fall off at once (I've had that happen many times).

I wouldn't say I have an abundance mentality when it comes to women. I'm more "comfortable" than I have been in prior times because give or take, I usually have SOME woman in my life. But all of the plates I'm talking to could literally/randomly FALL OFF and BLOCK me tomorrow, and I will be left without a date or a piece of pvssy until I go and find someone else.

Same financially. I'm in the High Achiever category and I'm doing well financially, but no way in hell do I have an abundance mentality when it comes to it. I could lose my position, my business could be regulated out of existence, my investments could all go to hell, and cost of living could spike through the roof.

A lot of you guys talk about having the abundance mentality when it comes to women and I quite frankly, don't know how you could have it? Women are very fickle, they could leave you at literally any moment for any reason or for no reason. We are very much leasing/renting them for a TBA period of time. That period of time could be 1 night, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year, or 2 years....we won't know until she calls the lease.

 

[The Duke]

I'm with Tenacity. You can have fake abundance all you want but at the end of the day Hugh Hefner is about the only dude on the planet that could pull that off and at times even he had difficulty keeping his 3 girlfriends.

It took me a while to get there, but having other things in life that mean more to me than women is where I derive satisfaction and a feeling of being content. My exwife taught me that I would be fine with out a woman in my life. Its never hard to find a replacement woman or two, it just takes a little time. True freedom and happiness comes when you are able to go with out. I think its why non-materialistic people who live simple lives are so happy. Look within yourself for the answer to that feeling of true abundance.

 

[Tenacity]

I'm with Tenacity. You can have fake abundance all you want but at the end of the day Hugh Hefner is about the only dude on the planet that could pull that off and at times even he had difficulty keeping his 3 girlfriends.

It took me a while to get there, but having other things in life that mean more to me than women is where I derive satisfaction and a feeling of being content. My exwife taught me that I would be fine with out a woman in my life. Its never hard to find a replacement woman or two, it just takes a little time. True freedom and happiness comes when you are able to go with out. I think its why non-materialistic people who live simple lives are so happy. Look within yourself for the answer to that feeling of true abundance.

Great point, as you know I'm one of the "Money guys" on this forum that preach that money is important and guys ought to be striving to make as much as possible....

But what I struggle with (and I'm sure others do here as well) is having that strong internal contentment, happiness, joy, and peace....that literally nothing in the world gave and nothing in the world can take away.

- That peace that's promoted in the religious circles. That connection to perhaps a higher power or higher being, who loves you unconditionally no matter if you're short, tall, fat, dumb, smart, rich, poor, etc., etc.

- I've gotten away from that type of "connection" over the last couple of years, due to being homeless and just starting to believe none of it was real. I then sought to try to replace it with money, things, women, popularity, or whatever...

My self-esteem used to be tied to that "connection", today (honestly) it's tied to how much money I have, the car I drive, the compliments I get from it, and the amount of women I'm spinning. So what does that mean? Yup, it means if those things fall off then my internal contentment is gone because the truth is, I have NO internal contentment.

Now, granted, I'm a "money guy" and believe all of these things are important to make it in life and enjoy life. But man, do I yearn for the days when I had that internal contentment. That internal peace. That internal joy.

* Right now, something as fvcking simple as an IT breakdown where I can't log into my work computer for a day, will send me into a fvcking manic depression.

* Because my ego is so invested in it, something as simple as a American woman flaking on a date can send me into an emotional tirade ready to blow up the world.

* Because my life depends on it, if my Camaro were to get into an accident I probably would need to be admitted into a fvcking mental institution.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Great point, as you know I'm one of the "Money guys" on this forum that preach that money is important and guys ought to be striving to make as much as possible....

But what I struggle with (and I'm sure others do here as well) is having that strong internal contentment, happiness, joy, and peace....that literally nothing in the world gave and nothing in the world can take away.

- That peace that's promoted in the religious circles. That connection to perhaps a higher power or higher being, who loves you unconditionally no matter if you're short, tall, fat, dumb, smart, rich, poor, etc., etc.

- I've gotten away from that type of "connection" over the last couple of years, due to being homeless and just starting to believe none of it was real. I then sought to try to replace it with money, things, women, popularity, or whatever...

My self-esteem used to be tied to that "connection", today (honestly) it's tied to how much money I have, the car I drive, the compliments I get from it, and the amount of women I'm spinning. So what does that mean? Yup, it means if those things fall off then my internal contentment is gone because the truth is, I have NO internal contentment.

Now, granted, I'm a "money guy" and believe all of these things are important to make it in life and enjoy life. But man, do I yearn for the days when I had that internal contentment. That internal peace. That internal joy.

* Right now, something as fvcking simple as an IT breakdown where I can't log into my work computer for a day, will send me into a fvcking manic depression.

* Because my ego is so invested in it, something as simple as a American woman flaking on a date can send me into an emotional tirade ready to blow up the world.

* Because my life depends on it, if my Camaro were to get into an accident I probably would need to be admitted into a fvcking mental institution.

You got the money thing down pat, and increasing success can often lead to unhappiness because we drive so hard that we are never satisfied. Perhaps you could start exploring nature, cause you seem like a city guy. Maybe that will give you your internal peace your looking for.

 

[greatsnake]

Really? Think about it. What's the point going for more if it's not going to make a difference? It's just more work for the same feeling.

You don't NEED a bunch of women to be happy, if you do then you have a scarcity mentality and a fragile ego. I don't support telling men they're nothing if they don't fuck a bunch women. The shit guys on here tie their self-esteem to is stupid and fragile.

the OP is questioning his ability to have multiple plates at the same time, so it's best to hear the opposite.

 

[zekko]

To me, the abundance is knowing there are always more women out there, and knowing I have the ability to get one. That isn't "make believe", that's what experience tells me.

If you think about it, that's what abundance HAS to be. Plates spin out, you can't depend on them. All you can depend on is the stock of fish in the sea, and your ability to acquire them.

 

[Serenity]

Dude, no you can't lol. There's a completely different level of comfort with a guy who has food stocked in the refrigerator, with savings, and a good paying job..........to the guy with nothing stocked, no job, no savings, and without him knowing where his next meal will come from.

That underlined portion is the key here with this "abundance" mentality notion. There's NO WAY any guy on here can have an abundance mentality with women unless he truly knows where his:

- Next piece of pvssy will come from
- Next date will come from
- Next relationship will come from

Spinning plates can potentially assist, but all of the plates could fall off at once (I've had that happen many times).

I wouldn't say I have an abundance mentality when it comes to women. I'm more "comfortable" than I have been in prior times because give or take, I usually have SOME woman in my life. But all of the plates I'm talking to could literally/randomly FALL OFF and BLOCK me tomorrow, and I will be left without a date or a piece of pvssy until I go and find someone else.

Same financially. I'm in the High Achiever category and I'm doing well financially, but no way in hell do I have an abundance mentality when it comes to it. I could lose my position, my business could be regulated out of existence, my investments could all go to hell, and cost of living could spike through the roof.

A lot of you guys talk about having the abundance mentality when it comes to women and I quite frankly, don't know how you could have it? Women are very fickle, they could leave you at literally any moment for any reason or for no reason. We are very much leasing/renting them for a TBA period of time. That period of time could be 1 night, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year, or 2 years....we won't know until she calls the lease.

How do you think you'll handle loss with an abundance vs. scarcity mentality? Which mindset is more robust and less likely to break down when it all goes to shit?

Abundance mentality doesn't have to depend on spinning plates, you can have none and still have the mentality. It is simply confidence that there's plenty of women out there that you can get, you don't have to have a bunch of them to prove abundance to yourself. I wouĺd argue that doing so suggests a scarcity mentality instead, that even though you have a bunch it doesn't even feel enough.

If I didn't have food stocked, no food and no savings I wouldn't have abundance, but I could still have abundance mentality. Meaning I'd have confidence that there's plenty out there and I can go get it. Then I'd get to a level where it's enough and I have actual abundance, but with a neurotic scarcity mentality it might never be enough no matter how much I have or I'd be unmotivated to even get it.

A guy with an abundance mentality doesn't worry about where his next piece of pussy/date/relationship will come from, that's really worries born from a scarcity mentality and worries kill attraction.

 

[zekko]

A guy with an abundance mentality doesn't worry about where his next piece of pussy/date/relationship will come from, that's really worries born from a scarcity mentality and worries kill attraction.

Yeah, a lot of this insistence on spinning plates seems born out of fear. "I'll get oneitis or might have to go without if I'm not spinning plates". That's depending on spinning plates for your strength. That's fine if you're using it as training wheels, but ultimately the strength should comre from within yourself.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't spin plates, far from it. But I don't think you should have to rely on spinning plates for your frame.

 

[SteR]

I also find that relationships take energy, and it's actually draining spinning plates. Nowadays I just don't have the time or energy to date women I'm not interested in. I've got better things to do.

 

[RangerMIke]

There is a difference between having an abundance mentality and not giving a fvck. Unless you are a really good actor, you really aren't fooling women. They can smell it on you. The only way to properly have an abundance mentality is to have abundance. But it's easy to not give a fck... you just have to be happy with your life and keep busy with things you love. You have the attitude that if a chick flakes on you you don't care because you can fill that time with something else you like. Both works with chicks....

However, if you have an abundance mentality, chicks will work harder for your attention, which means she values you more. Again, both works, but having women in your life does make you more attractive.

 

[Tenacity]

How do you think you'll handle loss with an abundance vs. scarcity mentality? Which mindset is more robust and less likely to break down when it all goes to shit?

Sir, it all depends. If I only had $1,000 in savings and made $25,000 per year (which basically just covers expenses) and my car's transmission went out.......I wouldn't have no damn abundance mentality because I have no abundance "money" to cover my car. Plus without transportation, how do I get to work?

Abundance mentality doesn't have to depend on spinning plates, you can have none and still have the mentality.

It's that old quote that says, "Ask You Think, You Shall Become". Well, that quote is bullshyt.

We all know that this world is a game, a system, and it's strategically designed to benefit a few at the top (the top 15% which includes the middle class, higher class, and the rich) while everybody else supports it through being screwed (other 85% which includes the working class, the poor, etc).

If you are working class, stuck working off jobs at 40 hours a week making $30,000 a year with 2 kids, you can think "abundance" all damn day, it won't change shyt.

It is simply confidence that there's plenty of women out there that you can get, you don't have to have a bunch of them to prove abundance to yourself.

To me, the abundance is knowing there are always more women out there, and knowing I have the ability to get one. That isn't "make believe", that's what experience tells me.

If you think about it, that's what abundance HAS to be. Plates spin out, you can't depend on them. All you can depend on is the stock of fish in the sea, and your ability to acquire them.

Well that's nice you guys and I'm glad you enjoy having your touchy feely, positive thinking, law of attraction based "abundance mentality". But until I walk outside of my door and HB7 and higher women are LINED UP waiting to date Tenacity.....like this is freakin 1998 on MTV's TRL and I'm a member of the freakin Backstreet Boys.....then Tenacity having an "abundance mentality" in regards to women makes absolutely no sense.

Chris Brown has an abundance mentality when it comes to women. George Clooney has one. Bruno Mars has one.

But Tenacity?? Nahhh, again, I have a "comfortable" mentality, which means I'm comfortable in knowing there will always be at least 1 woman available for me to get some level of sex/companionship from. But an abundance of them? Nahhhhhh

 

[Konada]

Can you have the same feeling as someone who has real abundance without having abundance? Yes you can. The same way you can feel free even though you're in prison. You can feel like your life is falling apart even though it's not. Also you can feel like you're driving a Porche 911 even though it's a rust bucket.

The confidence that comes with abundance mentality is far more important than actually having women swarming around you. It's that internal feeling that will reflect itself in attractive behavior, women don't have to see that there's a ton of other women chasing you. If you keep up abundance mentality they'll assume it and not long after it will be true.

Get the mentality first, then the actual abundance will come after. You're gonna have a hard time doing it the other way around.

Sorry but I disagree. One cannot achieve the true abundance mentality until he has experienced abundance itself.

A dude may tell himself that rationally there's a next one. And he is right but he is still waiting for that one girl to prove him right emotionally. Fully internalizing a belief requires a melding the emotional and rational parts of the mind and one cannot internalize if he has never exprienced it.

So yes you are partly right but the precursor to the abundance mentality, as zekko rightly pointed out, is not the manifestation of abundance itself but rather knowing and feeling that you can get one if this girl falls through.

The knowing part is easy, the feeling only comes with exprrience and accomplishment.

 

[Tenacity]

- From a financial standpoint, abundance in my definition would be to come from a well off family, that owns many businesses, provided you a trust fund, and you have access to all of this wealth around you. That's financial abundance. If you have to go out (like I do) and work 60 hours a week while completing multiple degrees, you can WORK to a state of "comfort", but you aren't "abundant".

- From a dating standpoint, unless you are like these HB8 chicks on POF with 200 messages in your inbox every single day....on top of that.....every guy in your church wants you (another 300 guys), every guy at the gym wants you (another 30 guys), every guy in every club/bar/lounge you've been in wants you (another 300 guys)....then you have no abundance. If you have to go out (like I do) and open a chick, make a her laugh, close, take her on a date, kino the bytch, and lead the bytch into isolation to fvck....then you can WORK to a state of "comfort", but you aren't "abundant".

Abundance is when you don't have to WORK for it....it's just lined up there for you already.

 

[greatsnake]

Get the mentality first, then the actual abundance will come after. You're gonna have a hard time doing it the other way around.

thoughts are just what they are without action. Spinning plates are going to confirm your thoughts/beliefs and it will then become a conviction.

 

[zekko]

Some of you seem to be saying that your plates ARE your abundance. But your current plates cannot be your abundance, because it is the nature of plates to spin out. The abundance is the women in the world, and your ability to attract them.

If I buy a pack of paper plates, I might say "Yay, I have an abundance". But paper plates are disposable, what happens when I run out of them? Do I no longer have an abundance mentality? Do I mourn the loss of the paper plates? No, I simply go out and buy more of them. I know I can get more, that's abundance mentality.

But until I walk outside of my door and HB7 and higher women are LINED UP waiting to date Tenacity.....like this is freakin 1998 on MTV's TRL and I'm a member of the freakin Backstreet Boys.....then Tenacity having an "abundance mentality" in regards to women makes absolutely no sense.

By this definition, then no one on this forum has an abundance mentality. There are a lot of guys on this forum that like to brag, but I don't know of any who claim to be able to walk out their door in the morning and see a lineup of women. That's just a fantasy. You would have to be a good looking celebrity that is currently hot to have that.

 

[Serenity]

@Tenacity That old quote from Pook is certainly not bullshit. Your mind is the control center of everything you do, if you want to change you'll have to start with your thoughts.

You still don't understand the fucking difference between abundance mentality and actual abundance, so I give up further discussing it with you.

@Konada Yes one can, this one did. I wouldn't have learned shit from this site if I needed women to validate my feeling of abundance.

@greatsnake Translation: Until a woman validates your belief it's just a lie.
Thoughts precede actions, if your mentality is bad so will your actions be. If your mentality being good depends upon women in order to get women it becomes a catch-22. If you have none you won't get any because you need some already to get some. So you can either get lucky getting one to start the cycle or you can change your mentality on your own to get going. Say you get lucky, you'll start spinning plates off of that, but what happens if you lose your ego boost? Will you depend on luck to get going again? I would rather take control of my mentality at my own will in my own time, I don't need women to validate my thoughts.

You're all talking against getting and keeping a frame, what the fuck happened guys? Have you forgotten everything in the DJ bible?

 

[Tenacity]

By this definition, then no one on this forum has an abundance mentality. There are a lot of guys on this forum that like to brag, but I don't know of any who claim to be able to walk out their door in the morning and see a lineup of women. That's just a fantasy. You would have to be a good looking celebrity that is currently hot to have that.

And that's what I'm talking about lol.

- Guys on this forum might be "comfortable". That is, they have a chick or two or three they are messing around with right now and if they all fall off.......they can go out and replace those chicks within a period of time. But they will have to WORK to replace them, that is, approach, date, kino her, etc., etc. That's a comfortable position to be in.

- Then you have an uncomfortable position, where the guy has no chick right now and reasonably, he will have difficultly going out and getting a chick or two or three to mess around with (without paying for it).

- Then of course, you have the abundant position, where the guy has chicks LINED UP ready to be with him whenever he's ready to call them over.

So to run around saying one has the "abundant mentality" when they do NOT have chicks lined up around the block waiting to date them, would just be a guy that's delusional.

Same goes for the financial side:

* Comfortable means you have a good income stream now, some money stacked, and some good skills/investments/businesses/etc. in play to where you can forecast bringing in more money on a continual basis for the foreseeable future.

* Uncomfortable means you are living paycheck-to-paycheck right now, have little savings, and don't have a forecast on how you are going to make a reasonable living for the foreseeable future.

* Abundant means you have enough money, connections, etc., right now to take care of you for life, PLUS, you have a lot of play money included with that amount.

So to run around saying one has the "abundant mentality" in terms of finances, when they do NOT have money stacked up in such as way, would just be a guy that's delusional.

 

[darksprezzatura]

Put yourself in the shoes of a 30 year old virgin nerd.
You are decent looking, got good money, maybe a nice home or a car, a decent bank balance and a set of nerdy hobbies.

You approach a woman after pumping yourself up for hours. Boom. Game on.

You've never seen a pair of t1ts in your life, anything even close to a kiss would FEEL like an achievement whether you delude yourself into thinking you have abundance or not.

This is where you HAVE to hold FRAME and apply GAME from the viewpoint of a bad boy who benches a chick who doesn't let him stick it in her ass.

Your body language and demeanour would reek of attractiveness if you truly have an abundant mentality that you'd just get someone else to fulfill your needs.

As your mind begins to adjust to the rewards you get with the thought process, It will rewire itself to truly acclimate abundance.

From a female's point of view, she'd either submit or lose out on you.
An abundance mentality in a man triggers something very powerful in a woman,
It's called competition anxiety.

The dopamine rush of banging multiple sweet ones is the positive reinforcement the brain rewires itself with.
Spinning plates is just a way for the mind to rewire itself to see things from an abundance point of view.