Women chase losers and could care less about how much money you make

[Listen_to_Olly]

While @Trainwreck recently posted a decent thread, I feel like so many people got the wrong impression from that thread alone. Trainwreck mentioned hipsters and dudebro frat types that I will get to later but I will talk about why and how money matters when it comes to getting hot girls.

Money mattered well before you started earning.

The hot girls, in majority of cases, went to school in wealthier areas whether it was the private schools or public schools in the suburbs. While you might have run into hot girls if you went to an inner city high school, chances of you running into hot girls at a large suburban public school were much higher.

Not only is it just the girls, it's also the culture.

The whole "hookup culture" media brags about and all of the party lifestyle, it happens at particular kinds of schools, the white schools. White schools located out in the suburbs where kids have upper middle class parents and not a concern about life.

All of the crazy stories you hear of hot sex on a Friday night at the age of 16 and partying with hot girls, it happens in those sorts of areas. Not to say it doesn't happen in poor neighborhoods but most guys on here wouldn't want to brag about sleeping with hot girls from a worldstar video.

Moving on to college.

@Trainwreck mentioned dude frat bros and hipsters, these guys came into college ready to play the game.

They knew Greek Life mattered for their given school so they rushed the right frats, the poor kid didn't even know what a frat was or didn't get a bid for a good one. For those familiar with it, Greek Life is mainly a thing for wealthier kids as dues are expensive.

They could relate to a lot of the upper middle class kids in college, the kid from a poor family could not.

They could afford to party hard on weekdays and weekends, the kid from a poor family had to likely work through school.

They could take those fancy bartending jobs (which in college towns mostly go to frat guys), the kid from a poor family had to take less flattering jobs.

They could take those trips to nice spring break destinations, the poor kid could not.

Getting the picture?

A lot of the kids from wealthier families could easily relate to hot girls and spent time around them while the kid from a poor family had a lot of issues to worry about. The poor kid could not party hard and meet hot girls at those social events, kids from wealthier families could manage to go to college to do just that!

It's not that bartending is a high end profession, it's just that in certain circumstances, it leads to a lot of sex with hot girls because it helps you become a part of their world.

And it is all about that, being able to show off that class, wealth, and swagger to relate to hot girls that guys who grew up poor could not.

The dudebro in a frat or the hipster who went to similar schools as a lot of the hot girls can relate to them and knows their world. Popularity contests of his high school years and social politics of Greek Life groomed him to handle the social scene in regards to hot girls, the guy who grew up poor could not.

Most of all the guy who grew up poor, if he had an abusive family (which is more common in poor areas), is likely coming out with a lot of baggage that leads to depression, mood swings, and a lot of other traumatic situations.

The guy who grew up rich is already putting his best foot forward and knows the game inside out while the guy who grew up poor is having issues.

Now granted some guys from poor areas can find a niche in playing up the bad boy status but doing illegal things such as selling drugs (not recommended!) or maybe playing sports but as a whole, most broke guys are going against a tough obstacle growing up.

Wealth is also about class and not just the money alone.

It is not about numbers on a bank account but being able to relate to the wealthier crowds that hot girls run in and being able to be a part of that world, something a poor guy will have a tough time doing while a rich guy will find it easy to do.

It is about putting yourself in the same world that a lot of hot girls run in whether it is fashion modeling or drinking at fancy bars.

There is a difference between a trashy rapper and Leonardo Dicaprio when it comes to class.

A poor guy might make it rich one day and make a lot of money but he will still struggle because deep down inside, he still has that poverty mindset towards women, life, and socializing that a lot of wealthier people will pick up on.

He might not even get access to that world with hot girls in it because he won't run in that world and even if he does, the way he was raised might end up making him stick out in a poor way.

So what can he do?

I think the first thing he can do is dissociate himself from poor people and not take advice from morons he grew up with.

Learn how to carry himself like a man with class instead of overcompensating by throwing money around.

Learn how to mix with the right crowds and find his fit instead of always being a misfit.

Try to make friends with fellow rich guys instead of always trying to outdo them for some minor ego boost.

Learn to use his wealth to create a lifestyle that attracts hot women instead of throwing money around and hoping some gold digger bites.

 

[BeExcellent]

There are some on this thread who "get it", some on this thread who almost "get it" and some on this thread who may never "get it".

Attraction runs on a sliding scale. For women to attract men women must emphasize outward appearance. This is genetics and also how a woman maintains herself. Really high status men like their women to be luxurious accessories that confer wealth & status and are a sumptuous reflection on them. Rich men PREFER beautiful high maintanence women. Why? It allows them to showcase their wealth. That is not to say that personality and means don't matter, but they are not a man's initial focus. This can be a bitter pill for the average woman to swallow. Men like women who are the total package but physical appearance is far and away the most highly prized attribute.

That should be no surprise.

Women on the other hand look at status as the highest value. Why? Because in the same way a woman's looks confer value on the man, a man's status confers value on the woman. She is elevated to his status if he chooses to associate with her. This elevates her above other women. She is the chosen woman. Looks, personality and everything else is secondary to status.

What does status consist of? Money, power and influence. Looks are secondary.

So if all this is true then it should be easy to see why different markets appear the way they do.

In the inner city the thug has status; he pulls the hottest chicks.

On the college campus the top level fraternity guy has status; he pulls the hottest chicks.

In the rest of adult life the rich/famous/influential men have status; they pull the hottest chicks.

My marriage followed this model perfectly. I was the hot chick everybody wanted (great looks & total package). My husband was running the most popular high end nightclub frequented by well known celebrities. He had high status.

Be a man who ups his status. I promise your prospects will change.

If you read Proverbs 31 in the Bible you'll find this same complimentary relationship. A refined woman of class and beauty who is with a man of power and influence among the elders at the city gate.

A woman's currency is looks and class.

A man's currency is status.

 

[NSX-R]

Finally, i have long time to see a proper post .
Money means absolutely nothing if you want to attract women and in some cases it can make your game harder .

I see all these shyty youtube videos about gold diggers ( they do exist but not what yt is showing) and they are faker than kim kardashians butt.

I'm 22 year old and i make more than 90% of people in my age . I can't remember once that money brought me women except in the strip club . I can't count the times all of my friends complain about their crappy financial state on how it makes women stay away from them meanwhile they don't understand that's not the problem.

If you want to attract women , look good , dress nicely ( modern and not like you're coming from a business appointment), have some communication skills , some balls and most importantly, have good connections.

That's all there is .

 

[bigneil]

Tonight I took my first date to the finest sushi restaurant in the city. Why? Because I was dying to try it. I had never dined there. Sold out every night. Even if you had reservations you had to wait. For some reason girls like it more crowded. Also, it was only about $100 (explaining why it's so crowded - it's cheap too).

Overall it was a simple date. She took Uber to meet me. We had drinks at two neighboring bars, then dinner, then I drove her home and kissed her goodnight.

Who wouldn't take a knockout, age 23 (half my age) who they just met 5 days prior out on a nice date just because it cost $100?

 

[NSX-R]

There are some on this thread who "get it", some on this thread who almost "get it" and some on this thread who may never "get it".

Attraction runs on a sliding scale. For women to attract men women must emphasize outward appearance. This is genetics and also how a woman maintains herself. Really high status men like their women to be luxurious accessories that confer wealth & status and are a sumptuous reflection on them. Rich men PREFER beautiful high maintanence women. Why? It allows them to showcase their wealth. That is not to say that personality and means don't matter, but they are not a man's initial focus. This can be a bitter pill for the average woman to swallow. Men like women who are the total package but physical appearance is far and away the most highly prized attribute.

That should be no surprise.

Women on the other hand look at status as the highest value. Why? Because in the same way a woman's looks confer value on the man, a man's status confers value on the woman. She is elevated to his status if he chooses to associate with her. This elevates her above other women. She is the chosen woman. Looks, personality and everything else is secondary to status.

What does status consist of? Money, power and influence. Looks are secondary.

So if all this is true then it should be easy to see why different markets appear the way they do.

In the inner city the thug has status; he pulls the hottest chicks.

On the college campus the top level fraternity guy has status; he pulls the hottest chicks.

In the rest of adult life the rich/famous/influential men have status; they pull the hottest chicks.

My marriage followed this model perfectly. I was the hot chick everybody wanted (great looks & total package). My husband was running the most popular high end nightclub frequented by well known celebrities. He had high status.

Be a man who ups his status. I promise your prospects will change.

If you read Proverbs 31 in the Bible you'll find this same complimentary relationship. A refined woman of class and beauty who is with a man of power and influence among the elders at the city gate.

A woman's currency is looks and class.

A man's currency is status.

I totally agree with you that men consider the beauty of a woman to be a status upgrade. But through on what I'm reading around here and hearing from friends , women like to compete with each other and that's why , through your example , they want guys with the hottest women .

Still though, i have yet to prove this through my personal experience. The situation depends always on the area that we live but how can you show your smv in a big city ? I frequent the night clubs of Zurich and i see only the thug low value guys to get the hottest chick meanwhile Zurich is one of the most expensive cities in the world and I'm not going to mention the amount of rich guys in there . Still the rich guys get none .

Another example is the black people. In Europe there are not a lot of black people and most people are seeing them weirdly . Still they always have the hottest chicks around . Why ? It's not that they are rich or have the best reputation, but most of these guys are the best people to have some company with . They are chill , funny and warm and they don't have any confidence issues like most of white guys and they know almost always when to strike .
I think here we have the answer on what's working mostly if you want women .

 

[bigneil]

Money means absolutely nothing if you want to attract women...

Winner! Dumbest Comment of 2017.

The rich guys get none.

Runner up.

Needle off record. Generic sex costs about $500. Therefore, rich guys can have sex. All-you-can-eat pvssy is only stage 1 on the 100 stages of wealth.

 

[NSX-R]

Winner! Dumbest Comment of 2017.


Runner up.

Needle off record. Generic sex costs about $500. Therefore, rich guys can have sex. All-you-can-eat pvssy is only stage 1 on the 100 stages of wealth.

You payed 100$ into a restaurant and you thought it's a big deal LMFAO . You sound like all of my poor friends.

And i mentioned it earlier , if you are not in a strip club , money isn't so important.

 

[Tenacity]

The broke, lazy, fat guys with 40% body fat on this forum, have all managed to secure pvssy in their lives in spite of this situation. Thus, they run to the forum and say money, looks, and muscles don't matter, all based on the notion of an American women distributing their pvssy to them without them having any money, looks, or muscles.

For some strange reason, they can't seem to comprehend that American women are distributing their pvssy to EVERYBODY. That includes: gay/bisexual men, the "AFC", the nice guy, the rich guy, the bad boy, the Don Juan, the PUA, the pool boy, the thug, the beta fag.got, the white knight, the rapper, the football player, the stock broker, the ex-convict, the short guy, the tall guy, the fat guy, the skinny guy, the black guy, the white guy, etc., etc................

The LIE of the PUA world, is that only ONE type of guy gets a.ss (the cartoon character known as the bad boy) and the reason the PUAs spread this bullshyt is to sell books.

So here's the thing, you have Guy A and Guy B.

Guy A: Is 35, broke, no car, no degree, no job, with 2 kids he doesn't take care of. He manages to get pvssy from American women in spite of this, as well as, sleeps on their couch, mooches off of them, etc.

Guy B: Is 35, no kids, high net worth, 6 figure job, looks good. He manages to get pvssy from American women and takes them on dates, dinners, etc.

WHO do you guys want to be? Guy A or Guy B? If your answer is Guy A, I think it might be time for me to leave this forum because the values of the forum no longer align with mine.

 

[zekko]

WHO do you guys want to be? Guy A or Guy B? If your answer is Guy A, I think it might be time for me to leave this forum because the values of the forum no longer align with mine.

Let's face it, the seduction community has always been against having values. They paint that as part of society and the establishment trying to force you to fit into their little productive box, when we all know that the alphas of the world make their own rules and can't be contained by society's expectations.

You also have to remember that there are a lot of very young people on this forum, who haven't figured things out yet. Many of them feel like the world is against them and will not allow them to succeed. I felt like that myself for quite a long time, but I was able to find a path to success. It's a little more confusing why some of the older posters here would choose to be Guy A though.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Well guys it is settled. Money has absolutely nothing to do with attraction.

 

[Trump]

There are some on this thread who "get it", some on this thread who almost "get it" and some on this thread who may never "get it".

Attraction runs on a sliding scale. For women to attract men women must emphasize outward appearance. This is genetics and also how a woman maintains herself. Really high status men like their women to be luxurious accessories that confer wealth & status and are a sumptuous reflection on them. Rich men PREFER beautiful high maintanence women. Why? It allows them to showcase their wealth. That is not to say that personality and means don't matter, but they are not a man's initial focus. This can be a bitter pill for the average woman to swallow. Men like women who are the total package but physical appearance is far and away the most highly prized attribute.

Up until the man is 25 or so. After that, a woman who looks average but offers VALUE is much more important. Even for a rich guy, they want a woman who does something, not just looks good. OK, it's sexy for the first 2 weekends, what are you going to do on the 3rd?

Women on the other hand look at status as the highest value. Why? Because in the same way a woman's looks confer value on the man, a man's status confers value on the woman. She is elevated to his status if he chooses to associate with her. This elevates her above other women. She is the chosen woman. Looks, personality and everything else is secondary to status.

What does status consist of? Money, power and influence. Looks are secondary.

So if all this is true then it should be easy to see why different markets appear the way they do.

In the inner city the thug has status; he pulls the hottest chicks.

On the college campus the top level fraternity guy has status; he pulls the hottest chicks.

In the rest of adult life the rich/famous/influential men have status; they pull the hottest chicks.

My marriage followed this model perfectly. I was the hot chick everybody wanted (great looks & total package). My husband was running the most popular high end nightclub frequented by well known celebrities. He had high status.

Be a man who ups his status. I promise your prospects will change.

OK see now we are confusing the issue on the word status. A newbie comes in here and reads "Wow, a THUG has status, let me go in the inner and kill some people, the hot girls will come. Wow, a NIGHTCLUB OWNER, not a DOCTOR, has status. Let me drop out of medical school and go open a nightclub, I'll get status and the girls will come. What is status? Go back to school and be a Doctor, or borrow a loan to pour drinks for celebrities?

The problem with some 'get it and some don't', people keep thinking it's a CAUSE and EFFECT issue when A has NOTHING TO DO with B. Getting girls is about: environment, height, luck, and some manipulation. The experienced Don Juans in here keep telling the newbies 'work your butt off to get money and status so you are rich at 37 and the hot girls will suddenly see the light and give in to their basic instincts and realize how awesome you are.' Give me a break. While you are working your butt off to get money and status, the smart guys are marrying the hot girls up and getting them pregnant. So when you are all rich and powerful at 37 there is no one available for you but single moms, while they got a family of three, pick one right stock, and make the same amount of money you struggled for 15 years to make.

 

[zekko]

Getting girls is about: environment, height, luck, and some manipulation.

There's truth in that, you can't beat logistics. But the PUA lifestyle (and club owners and bartenders figure in heavily here) is a short term mating strategy. I think STATUS is something that helps you more in keeping a woman. Being a bartender or club owner actually has status in the short term mating world, but I am speaking of more meaningful status here (the club owner vs. the doctor).

I'm guessing that most guys here don't want the bother of having a regular woman around. That's an argument for another day. But if a woman thinks you are a high value man, she may want to keep you around past a one night stand. PUAs find this idea appalling, but personally I find it more of a compliment if a girl wants to stay in your life. Whatever. Point is, I think status is something that comes into play more for long term mating strategies.

 

[BeTheChange]

The irony of threads like this is all the guys who think money is the ultimate or sole means of getting women continue to circle jerk each other while the guys who actually have game shrug their shoulders and keep getting women without paying out the arse for the experience.

As if three people in this thread arguing money over everything is going to deny our lived experiences to the contrary.

Last night I went on a date with a 23 year old HB9 semi professional salsa dancer doing a Phd in medicine. An absolute diamond of a woman. Until yesterday she didn't know I own two large rental properties since I currently rent a shared place in this city. Nor did she previously know I work for one of the world's biggest media conglomerates.

Still split the bill though. Still fvcked.

 

[playa99]

I concur with a thread @BeTheChange made.

It makes a big difference to have NO money & a big difference to have a LOT of money.

On this forum, we tend to look at issues as absolutes, where this is rarely the case. A thread ends up derailed by participants egos rather than actually having constructive discussions.

You should be improving in every manner, for you. This is one of the basic, key fundamentals of becoming a DJ.

 

[bigneil]

\So when you are all rich and powerful at 37 there is no one available for you but single moms, while they got a family of three, pick one right stock, and make the same amount of money you struggled for 15 years to make.

First, would you prefer being broke at 37 with a married mother of your kids?

Second, this is absolutely false. Here are some examples from THIS WEEK:

1) At age 46, I just had my first date last night with a 24 year old waitress with no kids who has never married. She is about HB8.
2) Tonight I have to go see a HB7 31 year old bartender, never married no kids.
3) For the past 7 months I've dated a HB9 21 year old stripper who has no kids.

So there are 3 girls, average HB8, average age difference 21 years younger, just this week.

Trump says: Men who have money around age 37 have no women without kids.
Reality says: Men who have money around age 47 have virtually unlimited women without kids.

 

[Solomon]

Tonight I took my first date to the finest sushi restaurant in the city. Why? Because I was dying to try it. I had never dined there. Sold out every night. Even if you had reservations you had to wait. For some reason girls like it more crowded. Also, it was only about $100 (explaining why it's so crowded - it's cheap too).

Overall it was a simple date. She took Uber to meet me. We had drinks at two neighboring bars, then dinner, then I drove her home and kissed her goodnight.

Who wouldn't take a knockout, age 23 (half my age) who they just met 5 days prior out on a nice date just because it cost $100?

Sounds like "Soft-Shoe Simping" To me

 

[bigneil]

Sounds like "Soft-Shoe SImping" To me

Not sure what that means, except that Solomon thinks paying 2/3 the cost of the average date for a girl half his age is too expensive.

Thankfully, I only needed to impress the 24 year old girl, not the lonely, jobless anonymous man online.

Note I had to work 1.14 hours to pay for the date. The date itself took 6 hours. You broke men need to do the math (oh yeah, you're not good at that, hence you are unemployed and blogging here looking for ways to trick women into still liking you).

Is Solomon Jamaican for single man?

 

[BeTheChange]

First, would you prefer being broke at 37 with a married mother of your kids?

Second, this is absolutely false. Here are some examples from THIS WEEK:

1) At age 46, I just had my first date last night with a 24 year old waitress with no kids who has never married. She is about HB8.
2) Tonight I have to go see a HB7 31 year old bartender, never married no kids.
3) For the past 7 months I've dated a HB9 21 year old stripper who has no kids.

So there are 3 girls, average HB8, average age difference 21 years younger, just this week.

Trump says: Men who have money around age 37 have no women without kids.
Reality says: Men who have money around age 47 have virtually unlimited women without kids.

A stripper, a barmaid and a waitress?

Not sure you're doing your argument any favours here.

 

[Solomon]

Not sure what that means, except that Solomon thinks paying 2/3 the cost of the average date for a girl half his age is too expensive.

Thankfully, I only needed to impress the 24 year old girl, not the lonely, jobless anonymous man online.

Note I had to work 1.14 hours to pay for the date. The date itself took 6 hours. You broke men need to do the math (oh yeah, you're not good at that, hence you are unemployed and blogging here looking for ways to trick women into still liking you).

Is Solomon Jamaican for single man?

5 Years later still resorting to ad hominem attacks I see

*Yawn*

Big Neil honestly I'm not ATTACKING YOU (albeit I see you're still senstive)because you belive in "The Simp Game" hell I use to do that in my early 20s but it's nothing to brag about.

I just figured a guy whose savvy at business would be a tad more frugual with his money when it came to females. It's not using shamming language abou being broke it's called common sense I know guys richer than you, that's what they do and still bang hot poon and guess what? they don't exactly look like Brad Pitt If you know what I mean

CHEERS!

 

[bigneil]

A stripper, a barmaid and a waitress?

Not sure you're doing your argument any favours here.

An Asian girl you went Dutch with who you are saying is an HB9 model and put out? How long have you known her. Photos?

I took the hottest girls I saw in every place I saw them, as always.