UNDERemployed Male Millennials UnDate-able?

[Urbanyst]

I would say that money is one form of dominance among many, and one that is particularly easy to undermine/supersede.

Not if you have no money at all. Even to undermine/supersede money you have to have some level of money. You can't be some homeless person in a cardboard box and think you can do ANYTHING to undermine/supersede someone with money. No chance.

You might be able to start a fire or do something violent. But if you're homeless it means you will get shot by police, jailed or put in a crazy house.

 

[bigneil]

I consider both game and looks to supersede money.

Don't even think it's close



One of my good friends was trecking around Australia, and lived in a tent for a short while. Still got laid in the tent.

Just because you can't manage it, doesn't mean it isn't going on.

Which is what this sort of discussion is really about, dealing with the limiting beliefs of provider males. Dull and exhausting.

Looks? You mean a guy who skips work to go to the gym is better than the guy who works?

If you have game and looks as a man, you will acquire resources. If not, the game is a front and the looks are the false illusion of a strong, hard working man.

You're thinking women are men. There is a diminishing return on a man becoming prettier at the expense of earning more. That's because men aren't rated 1-10, we don't get exponentially hotter if we go from an 8 to a 9 like women do. Men are rated pass/fail. Ask any woman: would you rather I become twice as pretty or twice as wealthy and see what they say.

 

[Urbanyst]

One of my good friends was trecking around Australia, and lived in a tent for a short while. Still got laid in the tent.

Just because you can't manage it, doesn't mean it isn't going on.

Which is what this sort of discussion is really about, dealing with the limiting beliefs of provider males. Dull and exhausting.

Hah. That tent he had costs MONEY. He still had some amount of money.

I'm sure any woman will choose your friend over Brad Pitt. Get real. I'm talking about what gives men the most sexual OPTIONS possible. Living in a tent like some hobo isn't it.

Looks and other factors only beat money when you already have some level of money. LIKE I SAID ALREADY.

 

[bigneil]

And this is why your frame fails so badly. Trying to live up to the logical mind of female expectations.

I would seriously love to take you out for just one day on a sarge.

In fact, I think anyone that has ever sarged a day in their life knows better than this stupid sh*t.

Anyone who's frame can be obliterated so easily is badly compensating.

So you're openly admitting that you believe a man is better off being twice as pretty versus twice as wealthy?

You do realize women are a commodity and a man who is a 1 can marry if he makes at least $160,000 per year, right?

This is another form of the insurance argument. Pretending insurance (or looks) are actually infinitely valuable.

 

[bigneil]

I would seriously love to take you out for just one day on a sarge.

In fact, I think anyone that has ever sarged a day in their life knows better than this stupid sh*t.

Wait, so you are implying that in one day you can pick up more women than I ever did, but you don't have any women as hot as the gorgeous 21 year old woman I've been dating since September?

 

[bigneil]

I would seriously love to take you out for just one day...

I only want to be friends.

 

[Reykhel]

Sosuave 2017 post pk, experiencing a new cycle. The rise of the "things cost money" brigade. Money trumps all game.

We'll wake you up when it's all over folks. Hopefully sosuave recovers from this nosedive and comes back stronger in a newer cycle.

 

[Urbanyst]

You are validating a man that constantly refers to "Elliot Rodgers" and states that he wants to go postal, slaughtering women...

....yet insists that his inner-game is "rock-solid".

As for the laughable numbers

• 6 right swipes on Tinder for a notch?
• 6 opens in the club?
• 6 street stops?

This is from a man that declares that rejection means nothing, when I'm telling you that I've learnt a sh*tload from it.

A man who claims to have slept with 4 to 5X the girls that I have. Yet hasn't had an LTR.

Grow the balls to sarge, and supersede Ten's nonsense in one afternoon.

When did this discussion become about @Tenacity and his posts?

We are talking about money and why it matters. I'm not here to validate anyone. If I agree with what someone says then I agree with what they say. If I don't agree then I don't agree. That's really all there is to it.

Trying to attack other dudes personally because you don't like where the discussion is going is the kind of thing chicks do. You're better than this.

 

[Urbanyst]

The point is that you don't know any better.

I do... vastly

I just can't be arsed with your sh*t. Neither can most valuable men.

I'm doing you a favour, yet you can't see it.

You have it backwards actually.

I've been cold approaching since my early 20's. I know all the PUA sh*t backwards and forward. I have a lot of sexual experience. Now I also have MONEY. I've been on both sides.

Are you one of those people who get emotional when your belief system is challenged? I'm not. You can present a compelling argument or you can stomp your feet and sulk like a girl. Choose one.

 

[Urbanyst]

I'm a guy that challenges that belief system week in and week out. I see the reality.

I also laugh at lots of the nonsense on here.

You are yet to make a compelling argument for anything lol

And, when you are talking to me, you need to have your sh*t down. You don't know your arse from your elbow when it comes to PUA stuff, because I have read your sh*t. So, don't start trying to be some sort of expert on something you know literally nothing about, or I will make you look silly very quick.

You haven't field-tested this stuff thoroughly, and you haven't got a clue. So, don't start this nonsense.

Try me bro.

I've been field testing since my early 20's. And once again.. this conversation is about why money matters, not your personal hang-ups with certain posters.

So far I have proven that money is a major factor in dating. You have yet to prove otherwise. Your main argument is poor men can get laid. My main argument is rich men can get laid easier, more often and by hotter women AS A RULE. Pointing to rare exceptions to the rule is not a compelling argument. Just like pointing to gay men is not a good argument against "men like boobs".

When it comes to common sense and mathematical probability, your argument against the importance of money fails badly. But if you want to play hard ball lets go. Try me.

 

[Urbanyst]

Course you have, boobolah.

Losing steam already? That's all you got?

Come at me bro. You're talking big. Lets do this.

 

[Tenacity]

Sosuave 2017 post pk, experiencing a new cycle. The rise of the "things cost money" brigade. Money trumps all game.

We'll wake you up when it's all over folks. Hopefully sosuave recovers from this nosedive and comes back stronger in a newer cycle.

How can getting guys to focus on making as much money as possible AND fixing their looks by working out/eating right........be a bad thing? In what universe is this bad?

When did this discussion become about @Tenacity and his posts?

Lol that's what they always do. They randomly make shyt about Tenacity and his "issues", then turn around and blame ME for the thread turning into a discussion about Tenacity and his "issues".

You are validating a man that constantly refers to "Elliot Rodgers" and states that he wants to go postal, slaughtering women...

....yet insists that his inner-game is "rock-solid".

I know Deesade because I'm the only guy who rants. I'm the only guy who talks shyt. I know. Deesade is always smooth, calm, never rants, never gets upset. I get it.

A man who claims to have slept with 4 to 5X the girls that I have. Yet hasn't had an LTR.

Grow the balls to sarge, and supersede Ten's nonsense in one afternoon.

Okay well.......where's your LTR?

 

[Urbanyst]

So, let's get this right.

We have Urbanist, who went from a frame of trying PUA stuff (ignorantly and unsuccessfully), to a frame of build it and they will come.

And you have Deesade, who went from a frame of build it and they will come, to a frame of PUA (both successfully).

Carry on. Should be laugh.

Unsuccessful? Who's ass did you pull that out of?

All I said was none of my LTR's lasted longer than a year. I never said I had problems getting HOT women to have sex with me.

If your definition of success is how long a LTR lasts with a woman then you are giving into the female frame in your own words lol.

 

[Urbanyst]

Didn't you make a thread where you considered the red-pill as a man wearing silly hats?

Safe to say that I'm not going to take you seriously where it concerns gaming after that.

This is based on my own life, and when I started making the effort myself, I wouldn't have went on a message board telling people that the red-pill was such.

I went out and tested sh*t, before starting getting the lip.

So, I just assume that you haven't made the proper effort, to be honest.

Which is backed up by your constant money threads, and lack of helping anyone game beyond "they come, or they get nexted".

The build it and they come mentality is so fvcking gay and passive. And I quite likely already did that better than you are.

There is something beyond that

Depends on how much effort you make, which I made very little until the age of about 27/28.

Really struggle to understand guys who are on SoSuave but carry on such a limited mindset, so perhaps you can help me understand what your overall game is, or has been?

Dumb.

Never said red pill is about silly hats. You have proven you have a severe reading comprehension problem and possibly a learning disability to boot.

Until you present a compelling argument against money you lose.

Changing the topic from money to me is a great example of how terrified you are of looking both wrong and stupid. Unfortunately for you, your fears came true a long time ago in this thread.

Feel free to send me all your money also. I'll keep thriving while you keep grinding.

 

[Urbanyst]

Labeling someone like me as merely "dumb" just shows yourself up as a clown, to be honest.

In case you forgot. I didn't, because it's such a daft thing to come out with

Eh, I don't care. Label me as "dumb" with the other planks. Remain a plank. Serves you right for your attitude that I never had.

What does any of this have to do with money?

I guess you're out of arguments and steam now and just stomping your feet like a little girl.

 

[Urbanyst]

You keep thinking that, if it makes you feel better.

Has fvck all to do with in-set. And you are irrelevant, like most other planks.

People like me do you a fvcking favour, but with like with most white-knights, you get a slap in the face.

What a waste.

Again.. what does this have to do with money?

When you finish your little girl temper tantrum maybe we can get back on topic?

Thanks.

 

[Reykhel]

How can getting guys to focus on making as much money as possible AND fixing their looks by working out/eating right........be a bad thing? In what universe is this bad?

No that's not what I'm saying at all.

Let's get to the part we agree on shall we?

Sexual Market Value (SMV)
A man comes here and the advice he is given is primarily to work on his SMV. And I think that is sound advice. In fact, a man really needs to be upgrading constantly.
So we could say basic SMV:
1. Physical/appearance: work out, get in shape. Personally, I respect any man who looks after his physical condition and refuses to let himself go. There's a caveat: I respect any man how stays in shape from a warrior perspective, from a self defense perspective, a health perspective, financial perspective. I wouldn't be motivated myself just to get a gym body to impress woman, but that's just my personal opinion.

2. Career.........Get a job. Be the best you can be,advance, learn, upgrade.

3. Finances: Get out of debt, start building capital, while your capital is building educate yourself financially. What you do with that capital in a number of years time, your newly financially educated self should have the answers.

Add to the SMV list as you see fit: Personally development, social life etc you get the point.

We agree on that point, yes?

Here's the point I have been alluding to which seems to be escaping you:
Hardly any of the "money buys things " threads have been about the best ways to improve your SMV. Instead they have been about whether money is important or not.

One would be extremely beneficial and the other is extremely boring, in my opinion.

Hopefully you see the difference.

No that's not what I'm saying at all.

Let's get to the part we agree on shall we?

Sexual Market Value (SMV)
A man comes here and the advice he is given is primarily to work on his SMV. And I think that is sound advice. In fact, a man really needs to be upgrading constantly.
So we could say basic SMV:
1. Physical/appearance: work out, get in shape. Personally, I respect any man who looks after his physical condition and refuses to let himself go. There's a caveat: I respect any man how stays in shape from a warrior perspective, from a self defense perspective, a health perspective, financial perspective. I wouldn't be motivated myself just to get a gym body to impress woman, but that's just my personal opinion.

2. Career.........Get a job. Be the best you can be,advance, learn, upgrade.

3. Finances: Get out of debt, start building capital, while your capital is building educate yourself financially. What you do with that capital in a number of years time, your newly financially educated self should have the answers.

Add to the SMV list as you see fit: Personally development, social life etc you get the point.

We agree on that point, yes?

Here's the point I have been alluding to which seems to be escaping you:
Hardly any of the "money buys things " threads have been about the best ways to improve your SMV. Instead they have been about whether money is important or not.

One would be extremely beneficial and the other is extremely boring, in my opinion.

Hopefully you see the difference.

Edit: No I don't believe that you work on your smv and then one day you wake up and "here comes the bytches"....

Game and putting yourself out there is obviously necessary.

 

[ThisNThat]

No that's not what I'm saying at all.

Let's get to the part we agree on shall we?

Sexual Market Value (SMV)
A man comes here and the advice he is given is primarily to work on his SMV. And I think that is sound advice. In fact, a man really needs to be upgrading constantly.
So we could say basic SMV:
1. Physical/appearance: work out, get in shape. Personally, I respect any man who looks after his physical condition and refuses to let himself go. There's a caveat: I respect any man how stays in shape from a warrior perspective, from a self defense perspective, a health perspective, financial perspective. I wouldn't be motivated myself just to get a gym body to impress woman, but that's just my personal opinion.

2. Career.........Get a job. Be the best you can be,advance, learn, upgrade.

3. Finances: Get out of debt, start building capital, while your capital is building educate yourself financially. What you do with that capital in a number of years time, your newly financially educated self should have the answers.

Add to the SMV list as you see fit: Personally development, social life etc you get the point.

We agree on that point, yes?

Here's the point I have been alluding to which seems to be escaping you:
Hardly any of the "money buys things " threads have been about the best ways to improve your SMV. Instead they have been about whether money is important or not.

One would be extremely beneficial and the other is extremely boring, in my opinion.

Hopefully you see the difference.

There's a lot of variables here. Of course, if you work out, you should do it for yourself and not to attract women. Of course, I've seen fat guys get girlfriends...see it all the time and some of these women are thin. *shrug*

Anyways, as far as the job is concerned, the ability to advance in a career is dependent upon employer. Depending on what's going on with the company, you'll only advance so far. I recall being given a soft offer for a higher paying and prosperous position with a dealership IF said dealership would update their archaic software. That never happened, and thus I didn't get the position.

Also, it's who you know that gets you the job (ie, a relative or old high school bud) I could go on and on about nepotism and other such things.

As far as debt most of America is in debt. I'm not only because I live frugally and don't spend it on crap I don't need. I'd have to laugh at someone that makes almost 3 figures, but still winds up in debt. I mean do they HAVE to have a 2-story, 3 car garage with a swimming pool? I mean...really? Some of these people don't even think practically...and these are married men with families with everyone in the family across the board is living beyond their means.

Question, have you ever heard of a situation where a man had all 3 covered, but still had his struggles with women?

 

[Reykhel]

There's a lot of variables here. Of course, if you work out, you should do it for yourself and not to attract women. Of course, I've seen fat guys get girlfriends...see it all the time and some of these women are thin. *shrug*

Anyways, as far as the job is concerned, the ability to advance in a career is dependent upon employer. Depending on what's going on with the company, you'll only advance so far. I recall being given a soft offer for a higher paying and prosperous position with a dealership IF said dealership would update their archaic software. That never happened, and thus I didn't get the position.

Also, it's who you know that gets you the job (ie, a relative or old high school bud) I could go on and on about nepotism and other such things.

As far as debt most of America is in debt. I'm not only because I live frugally and don't spend it on crap I don't need. I'd have to laugh at someone that makes almost 3 figures, but still winds up in debt. I mean do they HAVE to have a 2-story, 3 car garage with a swimming pool? I mean...really? Some of these people don't even think practically...and these are married men with families with everyone in the family across the board is living beyond their means.

Question, have you ever heard of a situation where a man had all 3 covered, but still had his struggles with women?

I wasn't creating a thread on the subject........

I was responding to @Tenacity somewhat facetious comment. He doesn't understand why I find the "money buys things" threads boring................I was explaining that the are boring because the are simply arguing whether theses things are important and not actually helping men to advance in these areas........

I believe you work on your smv but you need game on top of that.

 

[Tenacity]

I wasn't creating a thread on the subject........

I was responding to @Tenacity somewhat facetious comment. He doesn't understand why I find the "money buys things" threads boring................I was explaining that the are boring because the are simply arguing whether theses things are important and not actually helping men to advance in these areas........

I believe you work on your smv but you need game on top of that.

Dude I have all sorts of threads on here with FULL details on how to go from $0 to a Million Dollar Net Worth over a long period of time (20 - 30 years).

My plans are actually things people can do, not like the typical Guru threads on flipping real estate or day trading stocks with a focus on becoming a Millionaire quick (between 1 - 10 years), in which MOST people are going to fail flat on their face with. My theories are why Guru actually HATES me so much, it's because it goes against the MLM/Get Rich Quick industry that he promotes so much.

Here's an example of threads I've made, this doesn't even include the various posts I've made on the subject:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/get-rich-slowly-not-quickly.239975/

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/how-to-make-1-000-000-accurate-depiction.229273/