"Don't put p-ssy on the pedestal" and "stop giving a f-ck" are horrible pieces of advice.

[Listen_to_Olly]

I said it and I will explain why.

Throughout PUA there has been these two quotes that get thrown in the faces of guys who want to do well with women but need help. Both of them are horrible pieces of advice because they get taken the wrong way and ultimately misinterpreted as "stop pursuing women".

"IDGAF"

Sure, stop giving a f-ck man. Don't bother to improve with women or trying to get laid, I am sure hot girls will accept you for who you are, a fat videogame nerd that just doesn't give a f-ck about those sluts.

I think at some point PUAs and the experts gave up and just decided to tell this to guys they feel like they couldn't help instead of growing a pair and telling them that they just don't have what it takes to pull hot girls.

Because guys lose track of the fact that they are trying to get hot girls and instead get lost in the process.

It actually takes work to get hot girls, real work. In order to get hot girls, you have to first and foremost be honest with yourself about getting hot girls, don't mislead yourself because men don't do that.

When you lie to yourself, you mislead yourself and get lost further down the road, you don't even know why you started this whole thing. You start obsessing over politics, gossip, and other pointless garbage instead of actually wanting to get hot girls.

Guys who get hot girls are honest to themselves about it.

They do things that attract hot girls, they are honest with themselves, and then they get hot girls. They create a lifestyle that gets them hot girls and that is why they beat the guy who lies to himself about it.

While the guy who lied to himself about it is too busy actually hating what women do and how terrible they are, the guy who is honest about it deals with what hot girls do and stands a better chance of getting with them.

To those guys, getting hot girls is a goal, that is why they stand a better chance. The goal is clear in their mind and they will go for ways to make it a reality.

These are the guys who will rush that top fraternity in college instead of cry about how greek life is so conformist.

These are the guys who will move to the area of the city where the girls are hot instead of listen to losers that say location doesn't matter.

These are the guys who will pick hobbies and lifestyle choices that attract hot girls instead of playing videogames because they "DGAF" about what others think.

So I say

1. DO GIVE A F-CK.

You want to f-ck hot girls? Do give a f-ck about what hot girls want. If hot girls want toned abs and a social guy, then do give a f-ck about being that guy. Can't be that guy? Then get off the forums and stop wasting your time.

2. IF YOU WANT TO GET HOT GIRLS, INVEST IN THAT.

Yes, put p-ssy somewhere high in your priority of things in life if it means so much to you because getting hot girls is an investment (something I will talk about later). Getting hot girls requires certain tactics to your lifestyle. Sure being a software engineer making 6 figures might look good on paper but don't say I didn't warn you if your friend working as a bartender that makes half of what you make is getting hot girls.

Not that you throw a career way in the pursuit of hot girls but you find ways to get hot girls and make some sort of sacrifices in that regard, because it will require a sacrifice to some degree on your part.

 

[skinnyguy]

I think IDGAF has been misinterpreted. You're not supposed to give a **** about what women think of you or how they react if you approach them. If you mean that we should put puss on a pedestal that means paying for all of their stuff and tolerating bad behavior in order to get laid. Yes we all want hot girls but I'd rather be alone than deal with a dumb slut or BPD. I've dated plenty of hot girls- some of them were awesome and some weren't worth my time.

 

[logicallefty]

Nothing wrong with improving yourself in all of the ways that will help you get hot women. But that shouldn't be your primary motivating factor, no.what should be your primary motivating factor is wanting to improve because you care about yourself. Getting hot women should be considered a side benefit to that.

 

[Trump]

1. DO GIVE A F-CK.

You want to f-ck hot girls? Do give a f-ck about what hot girls want. If hot girls want toned abs and a social guy, then do give a f-ck about being that guy. Can't be that guy? Then get off the forums and stop wasting your time.

2. IF YOU WANT TO GET HOT GIRLS, INVEST IN THAT.

Yes, put p-ssy somewhere high in your priority of things in life if it means so much to you because getting hot girls is an investment (something I will talk about later). Getting hot girls requires certain tactics to your lifestyle. Sure being a software engineer making 6 figures might look good on paper but don't say I didn't warn you if your friend working as a bartender that makes half of what you make is getting hot girls.

Not that you throw a career way in the pursuit of hot girls but you find ways to get hot girls and make some sort of sacrifices in that regard, because it will require a sacrifice to some degree on your part.

I see the point bro but I think you are confusing the issues. You are relating one issue to the other when in fact they have nothing to do with each other.

1) Caring about and investing in "hot girls" has NOTHING to do with getting them. You could care all you want, you could invest like crazy, it doesn't mean they will come or show up. I've seen ripped guys have crazy problems with girls. I've seen social upbeat good looking tall funny guys go ONLINE to meet their wife. Heck I've been ripped before and went out of my way to be social, girls could care less at that time. Now I'm not and girls really care. Not saying it doesn't help a bit, but its definitely not a cause and effect issue.

2) Again bro, sacrifice has NOTHING to do with getting hot girls. I've seen bartenders that can't pick up. I've seen computer scientists have the hottest girlfriends. You keep equating one thing to the other when in fact they have NOTHING to with each other.

In my opinion, all this effort to get ripped and go to dance class and be social and join clubs and be where the girls are at is too much effort on the man's part. Hot girls are about height, hair, and the man having some luck meeting them.

 

[AlexKaiser]

Generally every time you meet them it's an audition to get in their pants, whether you were planning to or not. Some girls get red-faced and yearning over well-dressed guys and funny mofos right in the McDonalds driver-thru or buying apples at the grocery store. You never know when they're having an LTR meltdown, feeling vulnerable, or needing somebody to spice up their life. Yes, being short and not having a handsome face may get you skipped. However don't let that get you bitter. That hot girl you didn't know you wanted might wander your way and need somebody happy to brighten up her day, and if you're striding down the aisles with a grumpy ass face you might miss a chance to catch her in YOUR orbit.

She's not going to **** you in the back of her mini-cooper because of this, but you are going to generate interest, and that interest is the first step to getting her in that backseat.

 

[zekko]

The "Give zero fvcks" thing has always kind of bugged me. I mean I get the point of it, but if you take it literally and follow it through to its natural conclusion, you would never even bother talking to or even looking at attractive girls, because you just don't care.

I agree with the bit about if you want hot girls, you need to set up a lifestyle that allows you to be in contact with a lot of hot girls.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I don't even like most of the "hot girls." They are usually shallow, boring morons who are bad in bed.

 

[Infern0]

I dont know about anyone else but for me, "doing things to get women" never worked because i was doing it for the wrong reason i never stuck to it.

Example: the countless times i started going to the gym to get ripped to inpress some girl, didnt look like arnold within a couple of weeks, the girl moved on and i quit.

Compared to 18 months ago i started going because i realized its good for you, developed an enjoyment out of reaching goals and hitting new maxes, it became a habit and now im actually in shape.

By product is that girls love it and having abs and a good physique makes getting girls a lot easier.

Ironically when i stopped doing it for them and started doing it for the right reason was the first time i ever got results

 

[zekko]

I don't even like most of the "hot girls." They are usually shallow, boring morons who are bad in bed.

It's occurred to me lately that, from a physical standpoint, as long as a girl is reasonably attractive, it's surprising how interchangeable they are. I mean they all have the same parts, you know. Younger, more fertile girls are considered more attractive. And I notice that at my age, a lot of these younger girls are starting to look more alike, more indistinguishable from each other. It's almost like they lack noticeable features at a young age, because the skin is tight and elastic, there are no lines or character.

I realize that is the ramblings of an older guy, so I'm not sure how many here can relate. I mean, unless you are hung up on one particular chick, it seems to me most of the attractive girls are largely interchangeable (physically) to an extent.

 

[AlphaNate]

Another post by @Listen_to_Olly proving he just doesn't get it.

 

[JohnChops]

I dont know about anyone else but for me, "doing things to get women" never worked because i was doing it for the wrong reason i never stuck to it.

Example: the countless times i started going to the gym to get ripped to inpress some girl, didnt look like arnold within a couple of weeks, the girl moved on and i quit.

Compared to 18 months ago i started going because i realized its good for you, developed an enjoyment out of reaching goals and hitting new maxes, it became a habit and now im actually in shape.

By product is that girls love it and having abs and a good physique makes getting girls a lot easier.

Ironically when i stopped doing it for them and started doing it for the right reason was the first time i ever got results

Agree, do things you love and that improve yourself at the same time. I never understood improving myself to get hotter women, why not improve yourself to be a better man and then you'll get women as a by product. You'll end up coming off as more natural as well since your confidence isn't fabricated but genuine.

 

[wifehunter]

Catch 22

 

[sazc]

There are posters who do exclaim the sentiments that OP mentioned. IMO PK was big on only focusing on what you could take from a female, and not working on yourself to attract a quality female. He's not the only one tho. I've always seern posters on here encourage you to step up your game, if you want a better quality female (however you define quality)

Sometimes people have breakthru moments. Maybe OP just had one. In any case, IMO, this is good info for review, in case anyone had different ideas.

 

[C00lAF]

Do not listen to olly...
am i going to wake up in the motha fkn morning to do some cradio so i can get some peice of meat that i will get bored of after a couple of lays? Hell nah,i do it for myself.and suprisengly after ive stopped being all social and **** (cause knowing many people bothered me) ive got results.

 

[C00lAF]

Another post by @Listen_to_Olly proving he just doesn't get it.

I like you

 

[mrgoodstuff]

It's occurred to me lately that, from a physical standpoint, as long as a girl is reasonably attractive, it's surprising how interchangeable they are. I mean they all have the same parts, you know. Younger, more fertile girls are considered more attractive. And I notice that at my age, a lot of these younger girls are starting to look more alike, more indistinguishable from each other. It's almost like they lack noticeable features at a young age, because the skin is tight and elastic, there are no lines or character.

I realize that is the ramblings of an older guy, so I'm not sure how many here can relate. I mean, unless you are hung up on one particular chick, it seems to me most of the attractive girls are largely interchangeable (physically) to an extent.

What about mentally and how they are? Their is a wide range of brain functioning.

 

[BeExcellent]

Essentially the IDGAF is advice to do your thing for you and comes from a place of internal validation & inner game. These guys are making effort in life for their own purposes, independent of women.

Completely the opposite of how the OP interprets it, which is basically, I'm who I am and I give up on being better, so I'm going to tell myself I don't care and not make effort in life.

So you have a self validating stance opposed to a self defeating stance. You get to pick which one to choose.

And no you should never put a woman on a pedestal. Why? Because things on a pedestal are idolized. You can't lead someone you idolize. Trust me the woman doesn't like it either. She knows she's a human with faults too. That will come out consciously or subconsciously when you idolize (put her on a pedestal) a woman.

I mean visualize it. Your job is to lead her as the man. Guess what? You take her hand and LEAD...what's her first step? Right off that pedestal if she wants to follow you.

Cheers.

 

[wifehunter]

The only thing on any pedestal, should be the Lord. If not, go ahead and put chicks up there. It's a place for something, depending on who you are.

 

[btownbuck2012]

Do NOT Listen to Olly.

valuing bar skank pvssy above a six figure salary is insanity. OP should have his head checked out by a qualified therapist.

 

[Listen_to_Olly]

I have run into a lot of the types, like btown, who try to act all high mighty and noble. They talk about how to "pursue a life purpose" but if getting laid or sex is not important to you guys, then what the h3ll are you doing on a forum dedicated to making men good with women?

Everyone on here wants to hear the happy ending.

Go to school, get an education, get a noble career, work hard, be society's role model, and you will have success.

I am here to tell the truth, it doesn't work like that.

Am I telling these guys to throw away offers from Google and Goldman Sachs so they can bartend? Phuck no.

I am telling these guys don't be so surprised if you are making six figures and have that sort of a job yet the guy working at a bar is getting more p-ssy than you.

Do not be surprised if the guy working at a bar is getting the kind of p-ssy you pay outta your wallet for for free.

My point with this thread is that getting hot girls requires certain sacrifices and for guys who want to get hot girls, they need to know of those sacrifices.

You're not going to get hot girls, at least not a lot of them, if you work some nerdy office job and have geeky hobbies. Hot girls will avoid you, that's the reality. Other than an expensive LTR, you're not going to have success period.

If you think that is trying too hard and you want to live a life free of women, then do yourself a favor and get off of this forum because you are stopping other men from knowing the truth.