Elliot Rodger vs. his sister is the PRIME example of...

[Korrupt]

...women having SIGNIFICANTLY easier lives than men.

Yes the kid who killed several people because he couldn't get a girl.

Both from the same parents, but Elliot was FAR more lonely, depressed, psychopathic, autistic, awkward, etc. And it's obvious that even the parents favored their daughter, because come on... Who can't tell when their own son is THIS f*cked up.

^^^Video shows how "normal" the sister was and how obviously easy her life was/is.

Unfortunately, this sort of thing could happen a million more times and society still wouldn't realize there's a problem with how men are treated vs how entitled women have become.

Sad. If this is "progression", our society needs to do some serious regressing.

 

[backbreaker]

well his sister is a MB 8 so there's that

 

[El Payaso]

Rodgers was a deranged psychopath who believed the world owed him something.

 

[Tenacity]

I believe this guy below in the video, provided the best explanation of the Elliot Rodger thing I have seen thus far. "Everybody" claims the guy was entitled, self-centered, etc., etc., and you know what? Maybe he was.

But nobody wants to discuss the piss poor bullshyt that many of these guys who don't understand women, have to go through in today's market. Women are more complex to handle today than ever before and without having RED PILL knowledge on exactly how to deal with these STUPID fvcking bytches, any guy can become Elliot Rodger to be perfectly honest with you.

- It's why I was jumping on Deesade's case in his "Cousin's GF" thread. Deesade has Red Pill knowledge and could help out his cousin, instead, he wants to do with society does and shyt on him.

- Then when his cousin (who is confused and doesn't understand women) SNAPS and Elliot Rodgers a motherfvcker, then everybody wants to stand around talking about: "Oh, but he had mental issues.....oh, but he was entitled". GTFOH.

You want some TRUTH, let me give it to you:

> An "Elliot Rodger" is born everyday in the fvcking Family Court, when some bytch is trying to take half a man's assets and put him on for lifetime alimony.

> An "Elliot Rodger" is born everyday in the fvcking Family Court, when some bytch is trying to keep a good man from seeing his kids.

> An "Elliot Rodger" is born everyday when some stupid bytch tells a decent guy that he's "too nice", then runs off and makes kids by Ray Ray/Pookie, only to come back to the same "too nice" guy and shame him for not wanting to raise another THUG'S kids.

Oh, but society doesn't want to have this conversation though, because the gynocentric world that we live in puts ALL of the blame on Men 100% of the time, and never holds women accountable for shyt.

I don't care what anybody says about Elliot Rodger, he didn't just came out of the womb a SICK fvcker. A big part of this guy snapping and breaking down had to do with the bullshyt community of women he had to deal with around him, without any Red Pill Knowledge or assistance from his Father or anybody on how to DEAL with these stupid fvcking bytches.

 

[AttackFormation]

I believe this guy below in the video, provided the best explanation of the Elliot Rodger thing I have seen thus far. "Everybody" claims the guy was entitled, self-centered, etc., etc., and you know what? Maybe he was.

But nobody wants to discuss the piss poor bullshyt that many of these guys who don't understand women, have to go through in today's market. Women are more complex to handle today than ever before and without having RED PILL knowledge on exactly how to deal with these STUPID fvcking bytches, any guy can become Elliot Rodger to be perfectly honest with you.

- It's why I was jumping on Deesade's case in his "Cousin's GF" thread. Deesade has Red Pill knowledge and could help out his cousin, instead, he wants to do with society does and shyt on him.

- Then when his cousin (who is confused and doesn't understand women) SNAPS and Elliot Rodgers a motherfvcker, then everybody wants to stand around talking about: "Oh, but he had mental issues.....oh, but he was entitled". GTFOH.

You want some TRUTH, let me give it to you:

> An "Elliot Rodger" is born everyday in the fvcking Family Court, when some bytch is trying to take half a man's assets and put him on for lifetime alimony.

> An "Elliot Rodger" is born everyday in the fvcking Family Court, when some bytch is trying to keep a good man from seeing his kids.

> An "Elliot Rodger" is born everyday when some stupid bytch tells a decent guy that he's "too nice", then runs off and makes kids by Ray Ray/Pookie, only to come back to the same "too nice" guy and shame him for not wanting to raise another THUG'S kids.

Oh, but society doesn't want to have this conversation though, because the gynocentric world that we live in puts ALL of the blame on Men 100% of the time, and never holds women accountable for shyt.

I don't care what anybody says about Elliot Rodger, he didn't just came out of the womb a SICK fvcker. A big part of this guy snapping and breaking down had to do with the bullshyt community of women he had to deal with around him, without any Red Pill Knowledge or assistance from his Father or anybody on how to DEAL with these stupid fvcking bytches.

This is all true, the problem with using ER as an example for it is his marketability sucks. When you talk about him like you do it makes sense, but when you watch his videos and read his statements you see he was bigoted and narcissistic, even before he did anything. No one's gonna empathize with whatever message could be delivered when the envelope is a guy like that.

 

[Serenity]

If anyone had a sense of entitlement it was him, that's never a good path in life. He is to blame for his stupid choices, not society, not women. He felt he was entitled to have a woman, when he didn't get it he acted violently like a child. Except he wasn't a child so the damage was more substantial.

For a woman to not dare say no to a guy they don't want to be with in fear him going apesh!t insane is called emotional blackmailing, that is not ok to encourage in a society.

Men just need to find their fvcking balls and live with rejection, not lose their sh!t and go crazy.

Stop victimizing men.

 

[Tenacity]

If anyone had a sense of entitlement it was him, that's never a good path in life. He is to blame for his stupid choices, not society, not women. He felt he was entitled to have a woman, when he didn't get it he acted violently like a child. Except he wasn't a child so the damage was more substantial.

For a woman to not dare say no to a guy they don't want to be with in fear him going apesh!t insane is called emotional blackmailing, that is not ok to encourage in a society.

Men just need to find their fvcking balls and live with rejection, not lose their sh!t and go crazy.

Stop victimizing men.

What part in this "game" are women held accountable for? Or do women have no such accountability?

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Rodgers was a deranged psychopath who believed the world owed him something.

So are most young females. But most girls (if they are hot enough) are proven correct.

Most guys aren't.

How they (we) respond makes all the difference.

 

[Serenity]

What part in this "game" are women held accountable for? Or do women have no such accountability?

They are not required to comply when a guy wants something from them. That's what we're talking about here.

Should I kill someone because you don't do what I want? That's what this guy did, that was his "solution". If you reject a woman and she goes on a killing spree listing (your) rejection as a reason, will you hold yourself accountable? I seriously doubt that, you have the right to reject as do they and you cannot control their actions afterwards.

I don't care to list all parts of the game where women are to be held accountable, but in this specific case responsibility cannot be shifted away from him and onto women. He cannot be seen as a victim and thus not be held accountable, that is the same fvcking thing 99% of guys on this forum hate seeing women do. This guy is to be held accountable for HIS actions, read that again, HE did it and NOT the women.

Women have accountability to the same degree men do, but as I said, no man would accept responsibility for another persons actions. Trouble with women is not an excuse for murder, do you think it is?

 

[Tenacity]

If you reject a woman and she goes on a killing spree listing (your) rejection as a reason, will you hold yourself accountable?

Well, just because I'm not personally accountable for her actions (she's an adult after all) does NOT mean I didn't play an important, contributing factor into her making the decision to go on a killing spree.

It's just like a kid that's being bullied everyday at school, deciding to bring a gun to school one day and shoot up everyone in sight. No, the bullies were not personally accountable for the kid shooting up everyone, but they CERTAINLY played an important contributing factor into the kid coming to the decision to shoot up the school.

And it's that "contributing factor" analysis that I want to focus in on.

Trouble with women is not an excuse for murder, do you think it is?

Again, it's like telling the kid who is being bullied that "trouble" fitting in socially isn't an excuse for murder. To answer your question, NO the murder wasn't justified and if Elliot were still alive he would certainly be doing life in prison or get the death penalty.

However, what I'm trying to do is shift attention to aspects of society that play contributing factors to people SNAPPING, and how we as a "society" can do BETTER.

Like I said, there are a million Elliot Rodgers walking around right now ready to snap at any minute. Millions of men getting cheated in the Family Court, banned from seeing their kids, or getting manipulated/fvcked over by women in dating/relationships.

Why is it that we as SOCIETY can't have a conversation about being better and dealing with the root issues that's manufacturing these Elliot Rodgers to begin with?

Shyt I personally relate to the shyt Elliot Rodgers was going through, even though I would not have taken it to the extent he did. Elliot was very AFC and didn't know shyt about how women of this market operated (he had no Red Pill knowledge). His Father didn't do SHYT to prepare him for the bytches of this world. So Elliot was the classic Nice Guy/AFC, stand up guy, wondering why the fvck women keep saying they want a good guy but choose the dumb a.sses instead?

The boy was fvcking confused and needed somebody to educate him on how stupid and insane this market of bytches are, so he could properly deal with them (using red pill techniques). But he didn't have that knowledge and SNAPPED.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Well, just because I'm not personally accountable for her actions (she's an adult after all) does NOT mean I didn't play an important, contributing factor into her making the decision to go on a killing spree.

It's just like a kid that's being bullied everyday at school, deciding to bring a gun to school one day and shoot up everyone in sight. No, the bullies were not personally accountable for the kid shooting up everyone, but they CERTAINLY played an important contributing factor into the kid coming to the decision to shoot up the school.

And it's that "contributing factor" analysis that I want to focus in on.



Again, it's like telling the kid who is being bullied that "trouble" fitting in socially isn't an excuse for murder. To answer your question, NO the murder wasn't justified and if Elliot were still alive he would certainly be doing life in prison or get the death penalty.

However, what I'm trying to do is shift attention to aspects of society that play contributing factors to people SNAPPING, and how we as a "society" can do BETTER.

Like I said, there are a million Elliot Rodgers walking around right now ready to snap at any minute. Millions of men getting cheated in the Family Court, banned from seeing their kids, or getting manipulated/fvcked over by women in dating/relationships.

Why is it that we as SOCIETY can't have a conversation about being better and dealing with the root issues that's manufacturing these Elliot Rodgers to begin with?

Shyt I personally relate to the shyt Elliot Rodgers was going through, even though I would not have taken it to the extent he did. Elliot was very AFC and didn't know shyt about how women of this market operated (he had no Red Pill knowledge). His Father didn't do SHYT to prepare him for the bytches of this world. So Elliot was the classic Nice Guy/AFC, stand up guy, wondering why the fvck women keep saying they want a good guy but choose the dumb a.sses instead?

The boy was fvcking confused and needed somebody to educate him on how stupid and insane this market of bytches are, so he could properly deal with them (using red pill techniques). But he didn't have that knowledge and SNAPPED.

Testify bro.

It is always refreshing to hear a humble man like yourself (who has been successful with women but who has also not been afraid to show vulnerability) validate some of the things we men say. Hell, the women in my immediate family were RUTHLESS to the men in their lives, and were the cause of ALL the problems in my family growing up.

It is easy to get lost in the chest thumping and false bravado of these forums, which is always telling a man it is always his fault. When the chest thumping FOOLS on these forums talk down to newbies and veterans who are still struggling, they isolate a man even more as he begins to believe something is truly wrong with him.

This rah rah rah/personal responsibility/bootstrapping message has it's place, but it is highly incomplete. There IS something wrong with the market.

I personally just don't interact with that many women anymore (especially really young girls 19-26) because I am not dealing with the bs. I am not tap dancing to her tunes while she has me on a string competing with 200 other men, when she knows only 4 are gonna get her in bed. I am also not going to PRETEND (through PUA routines, chest thumping on forums, or selling a rubbish self-help "pickup" product) that I am one of those 4 men. I'll just keep doing me, chipping away at self improvement and maybe one day, I'll wake up and be one of those guys anyway.

Fortunately, as a bit of an incidental benefit, my standoffish ways do sometimes pique the interest of more mature or slightly older women.

Rodger was a coward for what he did, but there are millions of men who understood the impulse and feelings of hopelessness.

 

[Tenacity]

Testify bro.

It is always refreshing to hear a humble man like yourself (who has been successful with women but who has also not been afraid to show vulnerability) validate some of the things we men say. Hell, the women in my immediate family were RUTHLESS to the men in their lives, and were the cause of ALL the problems in my family growing up.

It is easy to get lost in the chest thumping and false bravado of these forums, which is always telling a man it is always his fault. When the chest thumping FOOLS on these forums talk down to newbies and veterans who are still struggling, they isolate a man even more as he begins to believe something is truly wrong with him.

This rah rah rah/personal responsibility/bootstrapping message has it's place, but it is highly incomplete. There IS something wrong with the market.

I personally just don't interact with that many women anymore (especially really young girls 19-26) because I am not dealing with the bs. I am not tap dancing to her tunes while she has me on a string competing with 200 other men, when she knows only 4 are gonna get her in bed. I am also not going to PRETEND (through PUA routines, chest thumping on forums, or selling a rubbish self-help "pickup" product) that I am one of those 4 men. I'll just keep doing me, chipping away at self improvement and maybe one day, I'll wake up and be one of those guys anyway.

Fortunately, as a bit of an incidental benefit, my standoffish ways do sometimes pique the interest of more mature or slightly older women.

Rodger was a coward for what he did, but there are millions of men who understood the impulse and feelings of hopelessness.

Bro keep focusing on self-improvement, working out, making money, and working women through the numbers game. Put women at a LOW priority because as I've been saying, all you have is sex and companionship with these bytches.

I wish I had the chance to teach this to Elliot, who was still taking these bytches very seriously. I would have opened his eyes to what it REALLY WAS and I bet you he would have relaxed. I bet you.

With that being said, it's much better to be the Don Juan than the PUA.

- The Don Juan builds his life and adds these stupid bytches into it on the SIDE for "sex/companionship entertainment".

- The PUA invests countless hours doing cold-approaches (see Deesade), routinely memorizes dumb pick-up lines, shifts his personality, and tries to fvck all of his cousins' girlfriends to pat himself on the back....instead of investing all of that quality time/energy into his career, passion, making money, etc., and adding women in on the side for "sex/companionship entertainment".

 

[Serenity]

@Tenacity I see and I agree. It is a major contributing factor. It is a huge problem that fvcked up people makes normal people into fvcked up people.

I would gladly have conversations about these root issues, but 99% of the time it's a whining party without constructive solutions. The issue is, how do you get millions of people to stop being d!cks? There is to this date no solution that fully prevents this, and keep in mind that humans have walked earth for a long fvcking time.

It's easier to punish those who break the law than to prevent millions from speaking their minds and being d!cks. Most likely trying to prevent that would make everything worse.

 

[Tenacity]

I would gladly have conversations about these root issues, but 99% of the time it's a whining party without constructive solutions. The issue is, how do you get millions of people to stop being d!cks? There is to this date no solution that fully prevents this, and keep in mind that humans have walked earth for a long fvcking time.

Grewd I want you to understand something. No major problem is eliminated easily number one, and number two, there's usually a small grassroots movement (even if it's just a couple of people in a business office) that gets the process moving.

Grewd NONE of these movements below would have existed if they would have following your perspective:

- There would have been no Civil Rights Movement and my black a.ss wouldn't be sitting here talking to you right now. Sosuave would probably be "for whites only" lol.

- There would have not been a women's liberation movement, which I actually supported, because I don't believe women should be regulated to only cooking, cleaning, and pushing out kids. Chicks have talents and can work, run businesses, be politicians, etc., so why in the fvck can't they do that?

PROBLEMS get solved when they are addressed/challenged. This entire notion of challenging the problems makes you into a whiny, bitter, angry, man, is nothing but a shaming tactic that people use to get you to STFU.

I'm even going to go even farther. NO major business that you see in existence today would exist following your perspective. To get your unique idea/vision off the ground, there's going to be opposition to it at first. People are going to mock you, call you crazy, call you whiny, call you bitter, call you WHAT EVER, just to get you to QUIT.

If the problem is real, important, and vital........we need to start speaking the fvck up and challenging it.

Women do this all of the time. If women see another woman being "fvcked over" they will ban together in a quickness. It's only us "men" who continue to tell each other to STFU and take it up the a.ss.

 

[Serenity]

Grewd I want you to understand something. No major problem is eliminated easily number one, and number two, there's usually a small grassroots movement (even if it's just a couple of people in a business office) that gets the process moving.

Grewd NONE of these movements below would have existed if they would have following your perspective:

- There would have been no Civil Rights Movement and my black a.ss wouldn't be sitting here talking to you right now. Sosuave would probably be "for whites only" lol.

- There would have not been a women's liberation movement, which I actually supported, because I don't believe women should be regulated to only cooking, cleaning, and pushing out kids. Chicks have talents and can work, run businesses, be politicians, etc., so why in the fvck can't they do that?

PROBLEMS get solved when they are addressed/challenged. This entire notion of challenging the problems makes you into a whiny, bitter, angry, man, is nothing but a shaming tactic that people use to get you to STFU.

I'm even going to go even farther. NO major business that you see in existence today would exist following your perspective. To get your unique idea/vision off the ground, there's going to be opposition to it at first. People are going to mock you, call you crazy, call you whiny, call you bitter, call you WHAT EVER, just to get you to QUIT.

If the problem is real, important, and vital........we need to start speaking the fvck up and challenging it.

Women do this all of the time. If women see another woman being "fvcked over" they will ban together in a quickness. It's only us "men" who continue to tell each other to STFU and take it up the a.ss.

Now we're talking. Unfortunately though our resistance is by someone perceived as bullying and rejection to their different ideas. So in that sense the solution to the problems is also the cause of the problems.

This guy might have had some ideas that most people didn't like. Most people don't challenge other people's views in a very intellectual way, they're just tossing sh!t to see what sticks and what doesn't. A SJW really really quickly degenerates into what they supposedly are against. In fighting for people being nice to others they end up being the worst to others.

This rabbit hole is deep, very very deep.

 

[Tenacity]

I just feel as though we have major issues today with the dating relations between Men and Women. These issues are not being addressed, discussed, or even acknowledged by society and when they are brought up, they are immediately dismissed as inconsequential.

We have been programmed by society to not really CARE about Men in general. Men could be getting the complete short end of the stick, unfair treatment, shot down by Cops, victims of false rape lies in Court by women, etc., and NOBODY cares. The answer to the situation is always to tell the guy to "man up, take it, and stop whining about it".

And even on this forum, where you guys already know through Red Pill knowledge that women are OUT of their fvcking minds, you guys are always repeating the same mantras of "man up, take it, and stop whining about it."

- The issue is that TENACITY can take it. TENACITY will rant, vent, and hit the gym to let out my anger.

- But motherfvckas like Elliot Rogers CAN'T take it. Some Men can't take this shyt and they end up seriously depressed, angry, and/or they SNAP.

- People keep pointing to Elliot having "issues", but the question is which came first, the chicken or the egg? Did the guy have issues out of the WOMB, and that led to this massacre? OR, did the guy DEVELOP issues over time through the bullshyt he went through with Women?

 

[AttackFormation]

I just feel as though we have major issues today with the dating relations between Men and Women. These issues are not being addressed, discussed, or even acknowledged by society and when they are brought up, they are immediately dismissed as inconsequential.

We have been programmed by society to not really CARE about Men in general. Men could be getting the complete short end of the stick, unfair treatment, shot down by Cops, victims of false rape lies in Court by women, etc., and NOBODY cares. The answer to the situation is always to tell the guy to "man up, take it, and stop whining about it".

And even on this forum, where you guys already know through Red Pill knowledge that women are OUT of their fvcking minds, you guys are always repeating the same mantras of "man up, take it, and stop whining about it."

- The issue is that TENACITY can take it. TENACITY will rant, vent, and hit the gym to let out my anger.

- But motherfvckas like Elliot Rogers CAN'T take it. Some Men can't take this shyt and they end up seriously depressed, angry, and/or they SNAP.

- People keep pointing to Elliot having "issues", but the question is which came first, the chicken or the egg? Did the guy have issues out of the WOMB, and that led to this massacre? OR, did the guy DEVELOP issues over time through the bullshyt he went through with Women?

Collectively, women have men right where they want them. Women are seen as either victims (AFCs, white knights) or in some way beneath men, like being little girls (seduction/red pill community). In either case the accountability will thus be on the man, not the woman. It's a "false choice"/dichotomy between macho and afc, where in reality both of those "perspectives" serve women.

Women keep men in control by shaming or praising the male ego/sense of masculinity according to need, and by encouraging other men to do so as well. For example, if you tried to illuminate the way women covertly fvck men over all the time everywhere in both small (basically a long list of ways to string men along and amuse themselves at the man's cost) and large (it's your baby/I'm divorcing you and taking the kids/he hit me, lock him up/etc.) ways on national TV instead of here, they wouldn't just deny wrongdoing. Which by the way they could easily do, because NAWALT. They would also attack your sense of masculinity, your ego. That's why women will say things like you must not be getting laid, you must have a small d1ck, etc. when they want to "defeat" a man who tries to speak up about things the woman doesn't want him to, like this. Then like I said they get men to feel like they can get ahead of other men by similarly shaming their masculinity for not being man enough in X/Y/Z sense that hands no accountability to women, concurrently displaying to her how good a Man he is according to whatever doctrine (white knight/seduction/whatever) he's following.

 

[Trunks]

Collectively, women have men right where they want them. Women are seen as either victims (AFCs, white knights) or in some way beneath men, like being little girls (seduction/red pill community). In either case the accountability will thus be on the man, not the woman. It's a "false choice"/dichotomy between macho and afc, where in reality both of those "perspectives" serve women.

Women keep men in control by shaming or praising the male ego/sense of masculinity according to need, and by encouraging other men to do so as well. For example, if you tried to illuminate the way women covertly fvck men over all the time everywhere in both small (basically a long list of ways to string men along and amuse themselves at the man's cost) and large (it's your baby/I'm divorcing you and taking the kids/he hit me, lock him up/etc.) ways on national TV instead of here, they wouldn't just deny wrongdoing. Which by the way they could easily do, because NAWALT. They would also attack your sense of masculinity, your ego. That's why women will say things like you must not be getting laid, you must have a small d1ck, etc. when they want to "defeat" a man who tries to speak up about things the women doesn't want him to, like this. They get other men to identify with women as being either victims or inculpable children, which makes men feel like they can get ahead of other men by shaming their masculinity for not being man enough in X/Y/Z sense that hands no accountability to women.

But a way to move past this macho vs. afc false dichotomy, is to acknowledge one doesn't need to be showing all of one's cards to women or their cheerleaders. Shamelessness has its place in being successful, sometimes.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

I just feel as though we have major issues today with the dating relations between Men and Women. These issues are not being addressed, discussed, or even acknowledged by society and when they are brought up, they are immediately dismissed as inconsequential.

We have been programmed by society to not really CARE about Men in general. Men could be getting the complete short end of the stick, unfair treatment, shot down by Cops, victims of false rape lies in Court by women, etc., and NOBODY cares. The answer to the situation is always to tell the guy to "man up, take it, and stop whining about it".

And even on this forum, where you guys already know through Red Pill knowledge that women are OUT of their fvcking minds, you guys are always repeating the same mantras of "man up, take it, and stop whining about it."

- The issue is that TENACITY can take it. TENACITY will rant, vent, and hit the gym to let out my anger.

- But motherfvckas like Elliot Rogers CAN'T take it. Some Men can't take this shyt and they end up seriously depressed, angry, and/or they SNAP.

- People keep pointing to Elliot having "issues", but the question is which came first, the chicken or the egg? Did the guy have issues out of the WOMB, and that led to this massacre? OR, did the guy DEVELOP issues over time through the bullshyt he went through with Women?

Good points.

Crazy that the races are fighting over who gets shot by cops more. Blacks get shot at a disproportionate rate, but also commit a disproportionate amount of crime, and hundreds upon hundreds of white men are shot down by cops every year as well. Both races will combine for about 1,000 deaths by cops a year.

Why is nobody asking about the INSANE ratio of men vs. women shot down by cops? Because if you think that women don't commit violent crime or resist arrest, just go on Youtube and look for Walmart fights, the majority of which will be two women. And women get CRAZED when they feel they are being wrongfully arrested. They are even more violent in their resistance than men are.