Turning 40

[oc16]

I am turning 40 this week.

I am tall, fit, full head of hair and can pass for 35 no problem.

I think I can still pull girls as young as 28.

What has been your experience. Are women in their late 20's and early-mid 30's turned off that you have a big FOUR in front of your age?

 

[Tom Shivoe]

I'm sure you can find dates in late 20s to mid 30s (I am 41 dating a lady mid-30s). I just think the bigger the age gap, the bigger the risk she will have an agenda - get knocked up, financial or whatever. But that is just in general and there is no law says every girl in that age range will be a problem case.

 

[SteR]

Bro I'm 41 and my girlfriend is 24. And in fact I'm breaking up with her.

My hero

 

[guru1000]

I'm in my early 40s. I only date 8s and 9s, 21-34 yo. The mode age is 27 yo.

This weekend, an ex Ford Model, 25 yos, I've been seeing for a month, delivered an ultimatum for an LTR, hehe.

There's one little caveat here: You have to take extremely good care of yourself; that is super fit, styled, and maintained (skin, hair, teeth) to throw around and toss top-notch hot, young women. If you want some tips in how to look 10-12 years younger, shoot me a pm.

 

[GunShow85]

I'm in my early 40s. I only date 8s and 9s, 21-34 yo. The mode age is 27 yo.

This weekend, an ex Ford Model, 25 yos, I've been seeing for a month, delivered an ultimatum for an LTR, hehe.

There's one little caveat here: You have to take extremely good care of yourself; that is super fit, styled, and maintained (skin, hair, teeth) to throw around and toss top-notch hot, young women. If you want some tips in how to look 10-12 years younger, shoot me a pm.

Could you start a separate thread on this?

In addition to all your regular confidence, looks, fun, social status, game, etc. what helps forty somethings land twenty something models?

Diet (at least 50% vegetables and lots lean protein)
Exercise (6 days week)
Lift weights to increase testosterone (helps skin & muscle tone).
Willing to spend money on fashion (maybe car, house, tickets, dinners, etc).
Good grooming
Propecia or professional hair dye (if needed)
Highly successful Career

 

[guru1000]

Could you start a separate thread on this?

In addition to all your regular confidence, looks, fun, social status, game, etc. what helps forty somethings land twenty something models?

Diet (at least 50% vegetables and lots lean protein)
Exercise (6 days week)
Lift weights to increase testosterone (helps skin & muscle tone).
Willing to spend money on fashion (maybe car, house, tickets, dinners, etc).
Good grooming
Propecia or professional hair dye (if needed)
Highly successful Career

I've had this request from others before. Here's a summary:

• Yes, testosterone & anti-estrogen (and HGH);
• Exercise for aesthetic symmetry and bf 10-12% range, size no bigger than a fitness model;
• Physique: 10% Exercise 90% diet (low glycemic or low carbs and anti-inflammatory foods to keep lean and dry especially if using T);
• If hot date, and need a little extra bang, manipulation of water intake (1g, 1g, 1g, 1/2 g, 1/4 g--Mo-Fr) to keep extra lean;

• Weekly at-home chemical peels. I use glycolic acid 50%, not too strong but strong enough to make a difference;
  
• Depending on the condition of your skin, Ultherapy from a board-certified dermatologist (game-changer right here);
• Exfoliate, then use WattsBeauty 100% Hyaluronic Acid (Great stuff here);
  
• Avodart/Finasteride, RU58941, and Rogaine (The Big 3);
• Immaculate style (tailor-fitted, hugging but not tight blazer, shirt, pants, high-end watch, Italian square-toe shoes);
• Excellent grooming (immaculate hair cut/style, straightened and whitened teeth)
  
• High-profile career not necessary, but helps.

Much more, but here's a start. I will create a thread soon with explicits.

 

[guru1000]

... plenty of baggage by then

So will you

 

[GunShow85]

• Yes, testosterone & anti-estrogen (and HGH);
• Exercise for aesthetic symmetry and bf 10-12% range, size no bigger than a fitness model;
• Physique: 10% Exercise 90% diet (low glycemic or low carbs and anti-inflammatory foods to keep lean and dry especially if using T);

• Weekly at-home chemical peels. I use glycolic acid 50%, not too strong but strong enough to make a difference;
  
• Depending on the condition of your skin, Ultherapy from a board-certified dermatologist (game-changer right here);
• Exfoliate, then use WattsBeauty 100% Hyaluronic Acid (Great stuff here);
  
• Avodart/Finasteride, RU58941, and Rogaine (The Big 3);

Much more, but here's a start. I will create a thread soon with explicits.

Thx - to me aging well has been:
Diet/exercise - lots of work to be 10-12% bf (imo that is less than 5% of 40 yr olds)
And
Style (you really must have tailored everything: pants, shirt, jacket and be willing to spend $ on best brands and update frequently).

I have not thought about or tried:
Chemical peel
Ult therapy
Exfoliate acid
Testosterone/HGH
Botox
Skin crime

If you had to narrow this cosmetic list down, which two would you start with?

 

[guru1000]

Thx - to me aging well has been:
Diet/exercise - lots of work to be 10-12% bf (imo that is less than 5% of 40 yr olds)
And
Style (you really must have tailored everything: pants, shirt, jacket and be willing to spend $ on best brands and update frequently).

I have not thought about or tried:
Chemical peel
Ult therapy
Exfoliate acid
Testosterone/HGH
Botox
Skin crime

If you had to narrow this cosmetic list down, which two would you start with?

Depends what you need. Skin care for all ages is important, but in your 40+ age bracket, requires specialized focus.

How old are you?

Some people might say, “Hey, Guru, why do you invest so much into yourself?”

Because I’m worth it.

Those who claim to be being exceling in any feat without the discipline and hard work demanded are story-tellers. Why else would a 25-year old high-end model want to date a man in his 40s outside of monetary/status reasons?

Is it all worth it? That’s for each of us to decide. I sent a pic to you via PM. You tell me.

To answer your question. I can’t narrow it down. All are important.

 

[GunShow85]

Got it. Thx
Looking good. Can't tell any cosmetic stuff, just look natural. Well done and I will try some. Keep taking down those young models (I think a lot of 20 yr olds attracted to forties for numerous reasons).
I'm similar age/look to you.

I think Justin Hartley is the goal for forty year olds.

PS- I'm not sold on the Italian square toe.

 

[SteR]

I've had this request from others before. Here's a summary:

• Yes, testosterone & anti-estrogen (and HGH);
• Exercise for aesthetic symmetry and bf 10-12% range, size no bigger than a fitness model;
• Physique: 10% Exercise 90% diet (low glycemic or low carbs and anti-inflammatory foods to keep lean and dry especially if using T);
• If hot date, and need a little extra bang, manipulation of water intake (1g, 1g, 1g, 1/2 g, 1/4 g--Mo-Fr) to keep extra lean;

• Weekly at-home chemical peels. I use glycolic acid 50%, not too strong but strong enough to make a difference;
  
• Depending on the condition of your skin, Ultherapy from a board-certified dermatologist (game-changer right here);
• Exfoliate, then use WattsBeauty 100% Hyaluronic Acid (Great stuff here);
  
• Avodart/Finasteride, RU58941, and Rogaine (The Big 3);
• Immaculate style (tailor-fitted, hugging but not tight blazer, shirt, pants, high-end watch, Italian square-toe shoes);
• Excellent grooming (immaculate hair cut/style, straightened and whitened teeth)
  
• High-profile career not necessary, but helps.

Much more, but here's a start. I will create a thread soon with explicits.

I agree with what you're saying Guru, but the only problem I have is with all of the testosterone, HGH, anti-hair loss chemicals, botox etc.

As I'm sure you already know, men aren't judged by the same beauty standards as women.. so I'd have thought that things like that are your personal preference. I don't think I buy into the idea that it really makes that much difference to women, assuming they're already dressing well, taking care of their health and everything else is in order.

Please correct me if I'm wrong though.. @BeExcellent @LiveYourDream @sazc I'd be interested to hear your opinions on this.

 

[Desdinova]

I am turning 40 this week.

I am tall, fit, full head of hair and can pass for 35 no problem.

I think I can still pull girls as young as 28.

I'll be 40 in one year. My GF will be 24 by then.

You cannot let your age dictate who you're qualified to date. It should be your own conscious decision on which women qualify to be with you. Remember, you are the prize and they are the contestants.

 

[The Duke]

If I started doing face peels, botox, chemical peels, exfoliatiation, and applying skin crème the women I date would think I was GAY! All of this sounds like what a bunch of women would do. How much time are you "guys" spending in the bathroom? lol, you wear skinny jeans too?

 

[guru1000]

Just a matter of time before the shaming police would come aboard this thread with, “This is not what real men do. Only faggots tend to their physicality!”

Yet, no one here would not say such a thing to me face to face else get their mouth ripped off

Howiestern, you are younger than me. In one of your threads you stated the girl in your LTR was in her late 40s and her kid was getting married.

Now …

1) Why does a man in his 40s who dates women in their 40s (with adult children) feel the need to shame other men in their 40s who date the hottest women in their 20s? Real question.

2) Why do you allow social constructs dictate and direct how you, a "real man," should behave?

3) If tending to your physicality were "gay," then I assume, you instead, should:

• Allow your hair fall out because real men do no use hair products;
• Eat like a real “man” and carry high bodyfat levels;
• Leave your teeth stained because real men do not get them whitened;
• Don’t do cardio because real men would not be caught dead on a treadmill;
• Don’t tend to you skin as real men do not concern themselves about their appearance;
• Don’t shop and dress in style because real men can’t be caught dead shopping for shoes, and fitting their clothes;

This way you can stay a "real man" and date the grandmothers of my gfs.

SteR, maybe you are correct. Much of this could be frivolous. Let's try your route. Answer these questions:

• How old are you?
• How much younger are the women who you date?
• Are the women you date in the same looks caliber of high-end models?
• If the hottest, genetically-gifted women spend hundreds/thousands of hours per year tending to their appearance, why do you think you could attract these women by not doing much?

 

[GunShow85]

If I started doing face peels, botox, chemical peels, exfoliatiation, and applying skin crème the women I date would think I was GAY! All of this sounds like what a bunch of women would do. lol, you wear skinny jeans too?

Don't hate the player...hate the game. I am with guru1000 on this 1000%.
You laugh at skinny jeans, but seriously unless you live in Alabama you need to be wearing skinny (or at least slim fit) jeans.

Interesting - I have two groups of friends:

Good Ole Boys - Half of my friends are outdoorsmen. These are men that get their haicut at procuts, have belly's, drink lots of beer, wear baggy clothes, and old suits.

Metro - Half of my friends are uber metro. These are men who really care about what girls think and like being known as "hot." They get their haircut at designers salons, wear expensive clothes, excellent shape, etc.

While my sample size is about 20. I can assure the ladies love the "metro men" and the "outdoorsmen" are invisible. I can go out with the good ole boys knowing that we will not be approached by women and girls will quickly get out of a conversation with them. On the other hand, a night out with the metro crew will be filled with IOI's, girls buying us drinks, looks from all the girls, etc.

These guys are the same age, income, education. But at 40, there is a huge gap between guys that let themselves go because they are real men and don't care about looks and the guys who really care.

If I can impart one piece of wisdom on this site it is: Attraction Starts with Looks (physical appearance)
This difference is two groups is amazing!

PS - I can attest to guru that guys like him and other metro are dating the young models, while the "real men" are dating the older woman with kids. This is the law of nature. Be your best self!

 

[guru1000]

Don't hate the player...hate the game. I am with guru1000 on this 1000%.
You laugh at skinny jeans, but seriously unless you live in Alabama you need to be wearing skinny (or at least slim fit) jeans.

Interesting - I have two groups of friends:

Good Ole Boys - Half of my friends are outdoorsmen. These are men that get their haicut at procuts, have belly's, drink lots of beer, wear baggy clothes, and old suits.

Metro - Half of my friends are uber metro. These are men who really care about what girls think and like being known as "hot." They get their haircut at designers salons, wear expensive clothes, excellent shape, etc.

While my sample size is about 20. I can assure the ladies love the "metro men" and the "outdoorsmen" are invisible. I can go out with the good ole boys knowing that we will not be approached by women and girls will quickly get out of a conversation with them. On the other hand, a night out with the metro crew will be filled with IOI's, girls buying us drinks, looks from all the girls, etc.

These guys are the same age, income, education. But at 40, there is a huge gap between guys that let themselves go because they are real men and don't care about looks and the guys who really care.

If I can impart one piece of wisdom on this site it is: Attraction Starts with Looks (physical appearance)
This difference is two groups is amazing!

PS - I can attest to guru that guys like him and other metro are dating the young models, while the "real men" are dating the older woman with kids. This is the law of nature. Be your best self!

Well stated.

But at 40, there is a huge gap between guys that let themselves go because they are real men and don't care about looks and the guys who really care.

Reminds me of a girl I dated recently: I recently learned a guy whom I knew from childhood is dating her mother.

Men, your appearance lends to instant attraction--with little/no "game" needed. Keep your appearance impeccable.

 

[SteR]

SteR, maybe you are correct. Much of this could be frivolous. Let's try your route. Answer these questions:

• How old are you?
• How much younger are the women who you date?
• Are the women you date in the same looks caliber of high-end models?
• If the hottest, genetically-gifted women spend hundreds/thousands of hours per year tending to their appearance, why do you think you could attract these women by not doing much?

I'm not for one minute bashing you here. What I am challenging is that this is necessary for every man to date the calibre of women you're talking about. The only reason I say this is because you're talking about using substances that carry real risks. (For the record I'm actually pro-steroids, but I don't think they should be used without proper knowledge of what you're doing). Telling guys to hop on Testosterone, start using Botox and start taking Propecia to land hot girls doesn't sound sensible, nor do I believe to be true. Of course that'll appeal to girls who are interested in their guy being jacked, having no wrinkles and having a full head of hair.. but that's not every girl, and maybe not even the majority - you're applying female beauty standards to men. They're not the same.

In terms of what I am and who I date, it doesn't matter. I'm only early 30s so I'm probably not in the age bracket that even has to worry about physical decline just yet (although for the record I've always trained religiously since I was a kid, so this doesn't really apply to me.. yet). The point is whether I'm getting the calibre of girl that _I_ desire... and I am. And I'm not using drugs to do so.

Remember, I do agree with you that a man has to take the best care of himself possible and try to perfect himself in every facet of his life, but what you're talking about is going beyond the norm. Steroids, Propecia and Botox are not necessary.

 

[guru1000]

I'm not for one minute bashing you here. What I am challenging is that this is necessary for every man to date the calibre of women you're talking about. The only reason I say this is because you're talking about using substances that carry real risks. (For the record I'm actually pro-steroids, but I don't think they should be used without proper knowledge of what you're doing). Telling guys to hop on Testosterone, start using Botox and start taking Propecia to land hot girls doesn't sound sensible, nor do I believe to be true. Of course that'll appeal to girls who are interested in their guy being jacked, having no wrinkles and having a full head of hair.. but that's not every girl, and maybe not even the majority - you're applying female beauty standards to men. They're not the same.

In terms of what I am and who I date, it doesn't matter. I'm only early 30s so I'm probably not in the age bracket that even has to worry about physical decline just yet (although for the record I've always trained religiously since I was a kid, so this doesn't really apply to me.. yet). The point is whether I'm getting the calibre of girl that _I_ desire... and I am. And I'm not using drugs to do so.

Remember, I do agree with you that a man has to take the best care of himself possible and try to perfect himself in every facet of his life, but what you're talking about is going beyond the norm. Steroids, Propecia and Botox are not necessary.

1) Average men hold total testosterone in the range of 350-850 ng/dl. Using “steroids” is injecting testosterone (500mg or 2cc or better) with the aim of attaining supra-physiological levels in the range of 2000+ ng/dl.

Nothing I had stated advocates this.

HRT, hormonal replacement therapy, is not for use of men with normal or higher testosterone levels (though it can be). Rather, it is to treat men with declining levels with the aim to be within the higher end of the normal physiological range ==> 700-850 ng/dl (the "Guideline Range").

Huge distinction. Do you ask a diabetic to forego insulin because his body does not produce enough of it by pointing to examples of bodybuilders who have abused insulin?

You are barely 30 yo. Accordingly, not much of what I recommended applies to you. I am speaking directly to men in the 40+ age range, whereas in many cases, testosterone and gf-1 levels are suppressed. Moreover, there are many advantages with higher T levels in the Guideline Range, outside of increased energy, stamina, and appearance. I’d go further to state that men with low T levels sacrifice much more on a personal, financial, mental, and health-wise level than men with higher levels in the Guideline Range.

2) Botox? Reread, I did not mention botox. Though, I do use botox from time to time for the furrow and to smooth forehead lines .

3) Propecia. I advocated finasteride/Avodart, RU, and Rogaine, not propecia. If you are losing hair, the benefit/cost analysis of using these hair products are significant (that is if you like your hair). Again, at 30 yo, I did not need to worry about hair loss. Though, I would still recommend its use to men in their 30s, as by the time you recognize that you are losing hair, you have already lost a minimum of 25% of your hair count.

SteR, much of what I advocated may not apply to you now. But it will. Instead of knee-jerk responding to claims I did not make, perhaps, it’s better to have a seat, and understand that there are anti-aging methods that you can employ as you get older and still get the hottest, young women while in your 40s, 50s, and 60s.

I’m here to employ men with power, not to deprecate men for being their best.

When I’m 60, I choose to look like this… not this.

Sure, you could resign your fate to an aged, older man and take whatever you can get. Not my style or intent for the men here.

 

[SteR]

1) Average men hold total testosterone in the range of 350-850 ng/dl. Using “steroids” is injecting testosterone (500mg or 2cc or better) with the aim of attaining supra-physiological levels in the range of 2000+ ng/dl.

Nothing I had stated advocates this.

HRT, hormonal replacement therapy, is not for use of men with normal or higher testosterone levels (though it can be). Rather, it is to treat men with declining levels with the aim to be within the higher end of the normal physiological range ==> 700-850 ng/dl (the "Guideline Range").

Huge distinction. Do you ask a diabetic to forego insulin because his body does not produce enough of it by pointing to examples of bodybuilders who have abused insulin?

Sigh. You're not listening to what I'm saying here.

First of all, nowhere did I say you were telling men to abuse drugs. Testosterone is just a form of anabolic steroids. Whether I call it steroids or Testosterone shouldn't matter.. the point is, you're altering your body's hormones for vanity. You cannot compare a diabetic person taking insulin to taking steroids. The former needs insulin to maintain any sort of normal life. You don't need testosterone if you fall within the normal range. I'm not denying it doesn't improve your life, but it's not a need. Surely you can see the point I'm making here?

You are barely 30 yo. Accordingly, not much of what I recommended applies to you. I am speaking directly to men in the 40+ age range, whereas in many cases, testosterone and gf-1 levels are suppressed. Moreover, there are many advantages with higher T levels in the Guideline Range, outside of increased energy, stamina, and appearance. I’d go further to state that men with low T levels sacrifice much more on a personal, financial, mental, and health-wise level than men with higher levels in the Guideline Range.

I agree with you here. I'm not talking about personal experience here because I've not reached the age where it's likely to be a problem yet.

Again, I don't deny it can have benefits. What I'm saying is you do not need to

2) Botox? Reread, I did not mention botox. Though, I do use botox from time to time for the furrow and to smooth forehead lines .

Sorry, you're right. It was GunShow85 that mentioned Botox, not you.

3) Propecia. I advocated finasteride/Avodart, RU, and Rogaine, not propecia. If you are losing hair, the benefit/cost analysis of using these hair products are significant (that is if you like your hair). Again, at 30 yo, I did not need to worry about hair loss. Though, I would still recommend its use to men in their 30s, as by the time you recognize that you are losing hair, you have already lost a minimum of 25% of your hair count.

As I already mentioned, it's not a problem for me at the moment (and hopefully won't be), but the point I'm making is you're advocating the use of drugs with very serious side effects, when they are not essential to landing beautiful women. I mean take a look at this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22789024

It's a medical paper outlining the significant effects Finasteride can have on male impotence. It's possible you can lose your ability to have sex, just to maintain your hair. What's the ****ing point of having hair to increase your attractiveness to women if you can't have sex with them?? And it's not necessary. Don't you see the point I'm getting at? You're telling people they need to take these risks otherwise beautiful women won't want them and it's not true.

SteR, much of what I advocated may not apply to you now. But it will. Instead of knee-jerk responding to claims I did not make, perhaps, it’s better to have a seat, and understand that there are anti-aging methods that you can employ as you get older and still get the hottest, young women while in your 40s, 50s, and 60s.

Again, I don't dispute that all of the methods you've outlined can help. It may very well be that I choose to go down that route later in life.. and that's my decision. But again, (and I hate to keep repeating this but it seems to be the only way to get the point across) you don't need to take this route to land beautiful girls.

Look at guys like Jason Statham, Lawrence Dallaglio, Billy Zane, Vin Diesel, heck even someone like Neil Strauss.. these guys don't have hair and nor do they do steroids (although I'd question maybe Statham/Diesel having done them at some point in their career) and they've all landed hot girls. In fact Neil Strauss is probably the best example here because the rest have had fame going for them (but how else could I find examples that we'd all know without using them?).

And I could give you a thousand more examples of guys who've landed hot women that don't use steroids, but have hair...

Like I mentioned right at the start of this: You're applying female beauty standards to men. Men aren't required to look pretty to land attractive women.. there are endless examples throughout history. If you had to put it down to one thing, it'd be status. If anything I'd advocate men putting their time and energy into raising their status over anything else. I'm surprised I'm even having to write this out - it's been discussed to death on these boards.

I’m here to employ men with power, not to deprecate men for being their best.

When I’m 60, I choose to look like this… not this.

Sure, you could resign your fate to an aged, older man and take whatever you can get. Not my style or intent for the men here.

I'm also all for men striving to be their best. What I'm not for is putting my health at risk (nor recommending others doing so) when it's not necessary.

Do you honestly think young women lust after Sly Stallone, or any 60-something man? They're clearly not going after them for raw physical attraction. You know as well as I do there's more to attraction than this.

Look at guys like Clooney, Robert Redford, John Stamos, Pierce Brosnan, Harrison Ford. They're far better examples of attractive older men, and none of them took steroids to get there..

 

[guru1000]

Sigh. You're not listening to what I'm saying here.

First of all, nowhere did I say you were telling men to abuse drugs. Testosterone is just a form of anabolic steroids. Whether I call it steroids or Testosterone shouldn't matter.. the point is, you're altering your body's hormones for vanity. You cannot compare a diabetic person taking insulin to taking steroids. The former needs insulin to maintain any sort of normal life. You don't need testosterone if you fall within the normal range. I'm not denying it doesn't improve your life, but it's not a need. Surely you can see the point I'm making here?

T levels below 600 ng/dl not a need for older men?

• Low sex drive (libido)
• Erectile dysfunction
• Fatigue and poor energy level
• Decreased muscle mass
• Body and facial hair loss
• Difficulty concentrating
• Depression
• Irritability
• Low sense of well-being

Many of these symptoms are present in most with total T levels below 600ng/dl, which is quite common in older men.

As I already mentioned, it's not a problem for me at the moment (and hopefully won't be), but the point I'm making is you're advocating the use of drugs with very serious side effects, when they are not essential to landing beautiful women. I mean take a look at this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22789024

It's a medical paper outlining the significant effects Finasteride can have on male impotence. It's possible you can lose your ability to have sex, just to maintain your hair. What's the ****ing point of having hair to increase your attractiveness to women if you can't have sex with them?? And it's not necessary. Don't you see the point I'm getting at? You're telling people they need to take these risks otherwise beautiful women won't want them and it's not true.

Already discussed here with dozens of citations, argued ad nauseam. Read, learn, rebut strongly next time.

If one had perfect aesthetics but a big nose, we cannot make the argument that because of one's nose alone, he will not attract hot women.This is not a one item end-all discussion. We are discussing how to be best well-rounded, the best you--not the perfect Adonis.

Let me help. Here's the argument: What methods and care can an older man undertake to secure the hottest of women 20 years his junior? Accordingly, where in this discussion do you fall, outside of emotionally-charged, inapplicable straw-counters?

Again, I don't dispute that all of the methods you've outlined can help. It may very well be that I choose to go down that route later in life.. and that's my decision. But again, (and I hate to keep repeating this but it seems to be the only way to get the point across) you don't need to take this route to land beautiful girls.

Look at guys like Jason Statham, Lawrence Dallaglio, Billy Zane, Vin Diesel, heck even someone like Neil Strauss.. these guys don't have hair and nor do they do steroids (although I'd question maybe Statham/Diesel having done them at some point in their career) and they've all landed hot girls. In fact Neil Strauss is probably the best example here because the rest have had fame going for them (but how else could I find examples that we'd all know without using them?).
Do you honestly think young women lust after Sly Stallone, or any 60-something man? They're clearly not going after them for raw physical attraction. You know as well as I do there's more to attraction than this.

Look at guys like Clooney, Robert Redford, John Stamos, Pierce Brosnan, Harrison Ford. They're far better examples of attractive older men, and none of them took steroids to get there

Again, the only person advocating steroid use is you. How do you know whether any cited actors you mentioned were not on TRT? Cite your evidence. Further, are you truly misinformed to believe that these celebrities do not use botox, fillers, ultherpy, peels & lasers, facelifts, or other anti-aging methods to land their jobs? You are truly delusional.

If you had to put it down to one thing, it'd be status. If anything I'd advocate men putting their time and energy into raising their status over anything else.

Status? As in being a celebrity? A senator? What exactly? Because I will tell you that seven-figures with a thriving business alone does not land you model-type women 20 years your junior. Now show me real tangible older men, who employ none of the methods I outlined and who are not celebrities, who date these type of women consistently. Bring them forth. I'm waiting ...