If you're already high value there's no need to demonstrate it.

[Urbanyst]

Hmm...reading comprehension should be your first step towards self- improvement......BRO!!!! ;-) .

I've had many women stop me and make a comment about my footwear. The same thing happens with premium cologne. Believe what you want. My guess is you've never experienced things like this.

I've had women compliment my clothes also. That doesn't mean they want to have sex with me because of the shirt I'm wearing.

Try giving the next homeless man you see on the street your shoes and see if he gets laid because of them.

 

[Urbanyst]

Nowhere have I ever stated that women will sleep with a man because of his shoes. Before you throw around the term, "ridiculous", you should make sure you understand the concept being stated. You clearly don't.

Wasn't talking to you, but ok.

 

[Atom Smasher]

You touched on something very important Urbanyst. This is something only an entitled guy who's been validated by women because of his value and status can understand. This is how I know who is actually high value, and who isn't.

It's called entitlement

It is a switch inside your head that turns on and you go from Clark Kent to Superman.

First comes the value(Looks, money, resources). Then comes the status. Then comes abundance (every woman in your social circles wanting to bang you). Then comes entitlement.

Your brain was designed to work in social tribes (work environment, clubs, social circles, etc). Entitlement is a switch that turns on when you are the de facto alpha male and all women validate you.

Entitlement makes you a flawless natural with women.

You will rarely, if ever, make a mistake. I don't remember the last time I did.

Inside a social circle, you always sense sexual tension and use plausible deniability to get her alone and have sex with her.

Outside in the field, as soon as you sense an ioi, you immediately approach and assume attraction.. And when you sense she is attracted, you make out with her.

Entitlement goes with you everywhere.

Entitlement is perfect confidence with women.

Entitlement is the missing link between a guy learning game and a natural. All game advice tells you to act as if you are entitled.

Entitlement is the absence of all negative internal beliefs with women. It's like game doesn't even exist. Like taking a "limitless" pill when it comes to women and everything becomes completely effortless.

Newbies don't know about this phenomenon because they don't have it. They can't see above their own limited reality of having to rely on tactics.

No matter what techniques you do as a seducer, don't you always feel like you are missing some kind of belief?

Entitlement is the end goal. The switch cannot turn on in your brain if you are not an alpha male of your environment.

Why do you think all alpha males act with the same sense of entitlement?

Guys without entitlement have to work 100 times harder and battle so many negative internal beliefs just to APPROACH women.

Entitlement comes from abundance. Abundance comes from having status. Having status comes from being a man of high value.

In broad day light, when I am surrounded by women in my social circles that validate me, my entitlement switch turns on and suddenly I felt like super mario touching the star.

And then I when I go back to the night clubs, I'll start making out with chicks without saying a word. It's like confidence on steroids.

When you act entitled, women backwards rationalize "This guy must be high value to be acting that way." That's essentially what game is. To act as if.

But the entitled alpha males do it unconsciously.

So in a way, high value guys DO demonstrate it by being c0cky, arrogant, full of themselves, dominating, assuming attraction, taking women rather than trying to impress them, assuming the close, thinking he's God's gift to women, etc. These are all the hallmarks of a player, aka the most validated guy.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. When you have value, status, and abundance, you WILL act entitled.

The is the guy you always see women complaining about, not being able to make him commit, be faithful, etc. When women say "All men....." they actually just mean the high value guys.

I would say entitlement is a combination of demonstrating power and arrogance.

This is gold.

I've always called it "assumed authority", but it's the same idea. You've got to get to a place where IDGAF (with women) is where you exist and where every aspect of your personality emanates from.

This is why I advocate blatantly rejecting women and showing detached disgust for poor behavior. Rejecting women is the fast lane to IDGAF-Land.

 

[guru1000]

You touched on something very important Urbanyst. This is something only an entitled guy who's been validated by women because of his value and status can understand. This is how I know who is actually high value, and who isn't.

It's called entitlement

It is a switch inside your head that turns on and you go from Clark Kent to Superman.

First comes the value(Looks, money, resources). Then comes the status. Then comes abundance (every woman in your social circles wanting to bang you). Then comes entitlement.

Your brain was designed to work in social tribes (work environment, clubs, social circles, etc). Entitlement is a switch that turns on when you are the de facto alpha male and all women validate you.

Entitlement makes you a flawless natural with women.

You will rarely, if ever, make a mistake. I don't remember the last time I did.

Inside a social circle, you always sense sexual tension and use plausible deniability to get her alone and have sex with her.

Outside in the field, as soon as you sense an ioi, you immediately approach and assume attraction.. And when you sense she is attracted, you make out with her.

Entitlement goes with you everywhere.

Entitlement is perfect confidence with women.

Entitlement is the missing link between a guy learning game and a natural. All game advice tells you to act as if you are entitled.

Entitlement is the absence of all negative internal beliefs with women. It's like game doesn't even exist. Like taking a "limitless" pill when it comes to women and everything becomes completely effortless.

Newbies don't know about this phenomenon because they don't have it. They can't see above their own limited reality of having to rely on tactics.

No matter what techniques you do as a seducer, don't you always feel like you are missing some kind of belief?

Entitlement is the end goal. The switch cannot turn on in your brain if you are not an alpha male of your environment.

Why do you think all alpha males act with the same sense of entitlement?

Guys without entitlement have to work 100 times harder and battle so many negative internal beliefs just to APPROACH women.

Entitlement comes from abundance. Abundance comes from having status. Having status comes from being a man of high value.

In broad day light, when I am surrounded by women in my social circles that validate me, my entitlement switch turns on and suddenly I felt like super mario touching the star.

And then I when I go back to the night clubs, I'll start making out with chicks without saying a word. It's like confidence on steroids.

When you act entitled, women backwards rationalize "This guy must be high value to be acting that way." That's essentially what game is. To act as if.

But the entitled alpha males do it unconsciously.

So in a way, high value guys DO demonstrate it by being c0cky, arrogant, full of themselves, dominating, assuming attraction, taking women rather than trying to impress them, assuming the close, thinking he's God's gift to women, etc. These are all the hallmarks of a player, aka the most validated guy.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. When you have value, status, and abundance, you WILL act entitled.

The is the guy you always see women complaining about, not being able to make him commit, be faithful, etc. When women say "All men....." they actually just mean the high value guys.

I would say entitlement is a combination of demonstrating power and arrogance.

Just another reason why men should double- and triple-book dates at the same place and time. A man who is truly entitled deserves the company of more than just one woman at a time.

Most of men's problems in this site are they don't feel entitled to much and so they don't get much. Same concept applies in business. Those who feel entitled to millions will eventually get there as they demand it in planning, communication, and action. It all begins with the mental paradigms in which you ensconce yourself.

If you feel entitled to 10s, then what the fvck is a 9.

 

[9Volt]

Just another reason why men should double- and triple-book dates at the same place and time. A man who is truly entitled deserves the company of more than just one woman at a time.

Most of men's problems in this site are they don't feel entitled to much and so they don't get much. Same concept applies in business. Those who feel entitled to millions will eventually get there as they demand it in planning, communication, and action. It all begins with the mental paradigms in which you ensconce yourself.

If you feel entitled to 10s, then what the fvck is a 9.

We're you double and triple booked before the authorities finally threw you in the clink?

You felt entitled to others money, claimed you're a high "earner" and ended up doing time in the joint.

 

[devilkingx2]

Just another reason why men should double- and triple-book dates at the same place and time. A man who is truly entitled deserves the company of more than just one woman at a time.

that seems like the fast track to turning your life into a wacky sitcom where you get screwed over and the audience laughs, lol.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Yeah, having abundance helps. I used to get really annoyed when a date flaked. I had a flake tonight, but hardly gave it a second thought as I have another two dates organized for the weekend. I guess I will be a bit miffed if they all flake. ha ha

 

[BeTheChange]

Just another reason why men should double- and triple-book dates at the same place and time. A man who is truly entitled deserves the company of more than just one woman at a time.

Most of men's problems in this site are they don't feel entitled to much and so they don't get much. Same concept applies in business. Those who feel entitled to millions will eventually get there as they demand it in planning, communication, and action. It all begins with the mental paradigms in which you ensconce yourself.

If you feel entitled to 10s, then what the fvck is a 9.

May have to bookmark this thread. A lot of wisdom here.

This, alongisde da dynamically's post is money.

100% agree. You have to believe you deserve the best. When I made that "only dating HB8s and above, under 25 post" I knew there was a risk in making such a commitment since it meant the possibility of a dry spell but...the truth is one should assess their value and once you truly KNOW (and there is no way of not saying this arrogantly) you are BETTER than the competition you will DEMAND the best.

Entitlement is the pinnacle of game.

 

[BeTheChange]

But 8 isnt the best so aren't you actually being objective and realistic...A little negative realism even?

My perspective which would actually end up at a very similar end point to yours is simply that we need to be realistic about what we bring to the table, and to move beyond that invites even more instability than staying in your lane. Of course, I have improved my attractiveness a good 100% or more so I'm in a much different lane now. At the same time I am enjoying my freedom(dry spells, even) and women better bring something substantial to the table sexually or otherwise for me to entertain it given that even settling for women brings plenty of problems and drama.

HB8s and above. Besides an 8, for me is about as high as you can get without being a celebrity. If I posted a pic of the 21 year old Dutch part time model and trainee lawyer I'm seeing tonight most here would call her a 10 without question.

But agreed nonetheless. Being a DJ is about two things. Maximising your value so you can enjoy the best that life has to offer - people, places, women and experiences. And second being fully aware of one's value. The same reason you can walk into an interview and take no less than a six figure salary, is the same reason you should demand no less than the hottest females. Be realistic, yes. But know yourself and your worth.

 

[BeTheChange]

The biggest struggle I have is marrying the "entitlement" mentality with "confident persisitence".

For example let's say you have a date planned with a HB10. She flakes. You rearrange and she flakes again.

Do you drop her on the basis that you are "entitled" to better treatment and if she doesn't recognise your value then that's her loss.

Or do you adopt a mentality of confident persistence accepting that it will take more time to crack the most desirable nuts.

@guru1000 @LARaiders85 @fastlife

Thoughts?

 

[ubercat]

@9Volt honestly your understanding of game is rudimentary and dated. At your young age basing everything off your own experience is limiting. U don't seem to differentiate between strategy and tactics. How about reading a couple of good game books, plenty of good lists here and then coming back and debunking.

 

[NickAdams713]

If you're already seen as high value in a chick or chicks eyes there's no need to demonstrate high value. She'll know that on her own.

The only reason you'd even bother trying to demonstrate "high value" is because you already know you're trying to aim out of your league to hopefully have a chick see any value in you to begin with. Which means deep down you know the chick has more value than you and you're simply being a try-hard to demonstrate what you think she'll see as "high value". You are at that point nothing more than a desperate dancing monkey doing your best guess at what value you hope she'll see in you.

Do millionaires and billionaires need to demonstrate high value to some chick?

Do pro athletes need to demonstrate high value to a chick?

Do box office actors?

No. Whomever sees high value in them doesn't need a demonstration. They already know.

Become a man of high value for yourself. Not others. Some chicks will value your high value. Others won't. But you won't have to do demonstrations.

As a man you're already of higher value. The proof is in you being born a man, kids looking up to you, fellow men, feminists raging constantly over trying to be "equal" to men or become "men" themselves, societies attack on men simply because they are men. You don't need to demonstrate you are born and will eventually die a man do you?

Isn't trying to aim higher than your "league" the whole point of "game"? Isn't that what we're all here trying to do and we're always talking about? What's wrong with that? Doesn't everyone want to "game" the system--in this case, the sexual market? What's wrong with that?

I'm confused by 9volt battery's criticism. Of course billionaires don't have to demonstrate value--it's why that fag Zuckerberg walks around in a hoodie. And by the way, that billionaire ain't "gaming" anything. If you've seen the broad he bangs, you'd know.

Anyone who doesn't think "game" doesn't exist, simply lacks life experience.

Of course we should be come "high value" men for ourselves. Absolutely. I don't think anyone is arguing against that.

In game, the best ways to demonstrate "high value" aren't to drive around in Lambos or to wear Versace etc. Because you can be sporting Gucci and still act desperate and supplicating.

Instead, the best way to DHV is to act like you 've been there for. Talk to a girl like you want her, but not her approval. Obliterate her **** tests by not reacting to them in a flustered way. etc. etc. etc.

Yes self-improvement is key. But make sure you hone your game and keep it tight. That's high value.

 

[guru1000]

And second being fully aware of one's value.

My perspective which would actually end up at a very similar end point to yours is simply that we need to be realistic about what we bring to the table

Herein is the kicker about realism:

My ex of an old LTR was an 8. I, too, was an 8 at the time (I since, self-improved). She married a 5. The guy she married was not wealthy and a totally average looker. But he carried an extreme persona of entitlement.

I grew up with two guys who were less intelligent, detail- and research oriented, less educated than I am. Their wealth surpassed mine into the 8-figures recently. One thing they both had in common is they spoke and thought like men who were going to take over the world. Most conversations as kids were as follows: "I'm going to buy a building in Manhattan before I'm 25." Not average kids talking about ice cream.

Yes, the protagonists will counter that building extreme wealth (or anything worth striving for) is being at the right place, at the right time, at the right market. This overlooks that many are at the right place, time, and market and still don't capitalize, as their mental paradigms are not embracing the extreme "wealth" present in that condition.

So as to limits and realism: I don't believe being "realistic" serves you much, given we have a world replete of outliers, demonstrating how even the most seemly unfit have the greatest "riches." This is not to be confused with making improvident decisions, but rather lifting all mental restrictions and holding huge mental paradigms.

 

[9Volt]

@9Volt honestly your understanding of game is rudimentary and dated. At your young age basing everything off your own experience is limiting. U don't seem to differentiate between strategy and tactics. How about reading a couple of good game books, plenty of good lists here and then coming back and debunking.

There's no need to debunk nonsense when nonsense is self evident.

 

[Urbanyst]

When I was a kid I told my brother in law I would sleep with 1000 women. He started laughing and was like "You don't even have a car yet." I eventually had a harem of 8's, 9's, and 10's. I was always delusionally entitled to women and it manifests itself in my reality.

Entitlement is the absence of all mental and emotional blocks that sabotages you. Most people, absence of blocks, can take over the world. It's a matter of just brainwashing them to believe they can.

My paradigm embraces magical and extreme abundance with women on a mythical Don Juan level. As you think, you shall become!

Self images is very important. Guys who believe themselves to be losers will act like losers and aim low.

Guys who believe themselves to be winners will act like winners and aim high.

Most people who came from nothing and become successful despite the odds are people who just believed they were winners at their core and didn't allow themselves to be discouraged by a lack of outside validation or belief from the people around them.

 

[fastlife]

For example let's say you have a date planned with a HB10. She flakes. You rearrange and she flakes again.

Do you drop her on the basis that you are "entitled" to better treatment and if she doesn't recognise your value then that's her loss.

Or do you adopt a mentality of confident persistence accepting that it will take more time to crack the most desirable nuts.

@guru1000 @LARaiders85 @fastlife

Thoughts?

Abundance can take the shape of, Oh, I can get girls just like her (and you drop this one). Or it can take the shape of, No biggie, this girl just doesn't recognize my value--yet--but I can keep giving her opportunities until she does (since I have an abundance of time & don't need her validation).

Pros/cons to both mindsets & both are equally high value behaviors & perceptions of the world. The first can lead to cognitive dissonance--where you really want this girl and if she messes up once she removes your agency in that endeavor. There becomes a scarcity of opportunity. On the flip side, confident persistence can lead to investment--and if you're not confidently persisting with multiple girls, then it can lead to overinvestment (scarcity of a desired outcome).

For me, I have a couple mindsets that help:

• No one girl is worthy of my time or attention. No one girl brings anywhere close to the amount of value I'd be bring to her life. Giving her either is an act of shear generosity--but I'm a generous guy--and if she fvcks up, I'll give her another chance & another after that. Charity work, almost.
• You don't exist to a girl until AFTER you've slept with her. Every girl I've been with had a very different before/after. She has so many options that she won't be able to form an accurate evaluation of them, so no biggie if she flakes or sh1t tests or is super blase. After we've slept together, if she STILL can't form an accurate perception of my value, she's gone (but that NEVER happens). Anything that happens before sex is just a funny little part of the narrative leading up to it (Remember when you flaked on me 3x before we even had a chance to really meet lol? God, you're such a little goofball).
• Knowing the above, if I don't make sex happen the night I meet a girl, THAT'S on me. 100% my responsibility--and if I have to deal with sh1t afterwards, well, I can't exactly get mad at her for my failure to do what I should've done upfront.
• Winning > Avoiding loss. Who gives a fvck about if she ends up thinking I'm a thirsty lame? I'll probably never see her again (obviously this doesn't apply to girls at work or social circle)--so there's nothing to lose (I don't have her now, anyway) & everything to gain (potentially lol). Funny story--I have about 3 girls @ my favorite bar who I burned things to the ground with who are great social pivots. They can't act like they don't know me; I crack up just thinking about some of the sh1t I texted them (immediate state). Plus they've seen me leave with enough girls & seen firsthand that I totally DGAF that they rejected me so they still try to stay on my radar. Instant social proof.
• Rejection builds character. Int he past I had a massive ego & was more concerned with avoiding bad results (loss of validation) than achieving desired results. I need girls to reject me from time to time. So I'll sharpen the blade & let her reject me a couple times with increasingly ridiculous texts I can laugh about with friends & new girls.

Plus, all of my 'dates' with girls I haven't slept with are to my house so let her flake--I'll have a pile of things I want to work on. Or, if that's too much initially, to places where I can game other girls or have a great time regardless. Let her flake lol.

 

[Urbanyst]

For me, it is almost a sense of knowing. I know I am a Don Juan, and women treat me like I am almost a celebrity. It's weird how some people have that sense of knowing, and some people don't. All of my millionaire friends already knew they would buy islands even before they had their first successful business.

I have a theory that the human brain is already unlimited and dominant but social conditioning gives you limitations. And reading books like "think and grow rich" and tony robbins' stuff simply removes the blocks. I have done inner game work when it comes to money and find myself attracting wealth and I can't even say I am working harder. It's more like my belief somehow finds the wealth. The money is there for the taking.

The same thing with women. Someone was saying Valentine's day is fools gold. But I was like "Nah man, valentine's day is where HB 10's become Hb 5's. Their thirst for validation unbecomes them".

The money and the women are always there. It's an ocean of abundance. But a limited person can rationalize scarcity even when he is surrounded by abundance.

Your actions and lifestyle will always match your beliefs. What you focus on and what you believe about yourself is what you become. If you focus on success, it eventually comes. If you focus on heavy drinking and partying, that's what you become. If you focus on having a healthy body, that is what it becomes.

Road blocks exist to weed out the lazy people who don't want success bad enough. When you want something bad, a road block is just a challenge. When you don't want it bad, a road block is a reason to quit. When you have a strong desire (or feel entitled to something), you push until you get what you want. Even if it takes years and requires getting your hands dirty.

 

[nismo-4]

This is so true. Something happens when you become successful. I always believed I would never change no matter how successful I got. But success changes you anyway. You really start to believe you are superior. Then you start acting like it and people validate you by being intimidated, compliant or insecure around you. This just makes you feel more superior.

I was still pretty modest when I first started doing well. But people just treat you so differently and eventually your ego catches up. If hot women are coming onto me, I must be attractive. If people treat me like I'm a big deal, I must be a big deal.

You can fake your status with game and be treated better short term, but eventually the facade is uncovered and you get rejected or humiliated.

Of course success changes things for the person who gets it. Become a millionaire, win the powerball lottery, see how you act and how others perceive you then.

I guarantee your ass it's much better than before! Oh yeah, there's no such thing as an ugly millionaire.

Alas, value is a subjective matter. What if you're an alpha, but the girl is just looking for beta providers/ orbiters/ emotional tampons?

All depends on the woman and the moment.

 

[BeTheChange]

Abundance can take the shape of, Oh, I can get girls just like her (and you drop this one). Or it can take the shape of, No biggie, this girl just doesn't recognize my value--yet--but I can keep giving her opportunities until she does (since I have an abundance of time & don't need her validation).

Pros/cons to both mindsets & both are equally high value behaviors & perceptions of the world. The first can lead to cognitive dissonance--where you really want this girl and if she messes up once she removes your agency in that endeavor. There becomes a scarcity of opportunity. On the flip side, confident persistence can lead to investment--and if you're not confidently persisting with multiple girls, then it can lead to overinvestment (scarcity of a desired outcome).

For me, I have a couple mindsets that help:

• No one girl is worthy of my time or attention. No one girl brings anywhere close to the amount of value I'd be bring to her life. Giving her either is an act of shear generosity--but I'm a generous guy--and if she fvcks up, I'll give her another chance & another after that. Charity work, almost.
• You don't exist to a girl until AFTER you've slept with her. Every girl I've been with had a very different before/after. She has so many options that she won't be able to form an accurate evaluation of them, so no biggie if she flakes or sh1t tests or is super blase. After we've slept together, if she STILL can't form an accurate perception of my value, she's gone (but that NEVER happens). Anything that happens before sex is just a funny little part of the narrative leading up to it (Remember when you flaked on me 3x before we even had a chance to really meet lol? God, you're such a little goofball).
• Knowing the above, if I don't make sex happen the night I meet a girl, THAT'S on me. 100% my responsibility--and if I have to deal with sh1t afterwards, well, I can't exactly get mad at her for my failure to do what I should've done upfront.
• Winning > Avoiding loss. Who gives a fvck about if she ends up thinking I'm a thirsty lame? I'll probably never see her again (obviously this doesn't apply to girls at work or social circle)--so there's nothing to lose (I don't have her now, anyway) & everything to gain (potentially lol). Funny story--I have about 3 girls @ my favorite bar who I burned things to the ground with who are great social pivots. They can't act like they don't know me; I crack up just thinking about some of the sh1t I texted them (immediate state). Plus they've seen me leave with enough girls & seen firsthand that I totally DGAF that they rejected me so they still try to stay on my radar. Instant social proof.
• Rejection builds character. Int he past I had a massive ego & was more concerned with avoiding bad results (loss of validation) than achieving desired results. I need girls to reject me from time to time. So I'll sharpen the blade & let her reject me a couple times with increasingly ridiculous texts I can laugh about with friends & new girls.

Plus, all of my 'dates' with girls I haven't slept with are to my house so let her flake--I'll have a pile of things I want to work on. Or, if that's too much initially, to places where I can game other girls or have a great time regardless. Let her flake lol.

My main issue with the logic of given her an infinite number of chances to reject you is that it rarely leads to a positive result.

Secondly there is an opportunity cost, however small, to chasing uninterested chicks...that strategy is suboptinal when you only have two or three date nights a week...better to focus attention on women with at least a moderate level of initial interest.

Thirdly, there is definitely a self respect issue at play here. Time is valuable. Why waste any attention on women who dont respect that fact...not "knowing me" just doesn't constitute a valid excuse anymore.

 

[9Volt]

Online comment regarding "DHV":

What is ironic about pua advice is that it's understanding of human psychology is so poor that it does not know which behaviors actually express the qualities it seeks to express. It's psychology is so crude.

Most people cannot quite verbalize it, but we all intuitively grasp that the guy who is "showing off" is not genuinely high status or genuinely confident. We instinctively react to show-offy behavior as an indication of lower status and lack of confidence. It is why Hollywood actors who are trying to convey ultra-confidence or exteme high status are trained to express themselves with restraint and moderation and avoid anything excessive "over-acting".

Yet interestingly, in popular culture the average guy is firmly convinced that confidence is best expressed through "over-acting", or being extravagantly assertive and "putting himself out there", firmly convinced they are impressing the ladies with evidence of their high levels of confidence as the women - and savvy men - are simply rolling their eyes. That's why "over-acting" and goofy behavior is so common by guys in clubs - they really think it's the face of confidence. The crude, shallow, popular-culture conception of confidence which gets it so wrong is really hard for most guys to outgrow.

Yet most guys are simply addicted to this kind of "over-acting" behavior and cannot quite convince themselves that it is actually a sign of insecurity. I have had conversations with friends who kind of saw my point, and could understand me intellectually and agree with me, but who would instinctively revert to show-offy behavior in clubs, and often try to defend it or deny that that's what they were doing. Show-offy behavior is "just having fun", they are just "more emotionally expressive than me", etc, etc. Such is the subconscious minds attachment to modes of thinking and acting that our conscious minds might be advanced enough to recognize as retregrossive.