Most of us do better without "game". Why?

[ChristopherColumbus]

Game is simply for geeks, for those that are stuck in their heads. It is a crash course... it pushes them outside their insulated ego into the real world. It should only ever be a phase. Once they have their wings, they are away.

 

[9Volt]

Lately I feel like many people on this forum try to give most ridiculous advice ever "just be your self". If that worked we wouldn't be here.

Some of us are just here to BS and pass downtime when we feel like it. I don't have problems with chicks because I don't make them my problem. That happened ONCE years ago. Got over it. Learned and grew in a positive direction. Doesn't mean even IF I or anyone knows every friggin thing about relationships, seduction etc. you can alter reality, everyone else's, to suit your or my reality in getting whatever we want always. That's life.

Be your best self. Don't just be yourself because if you aren't getting anything by "being yourself" you're going to go nowhere. Yet don't try to be whatever you think everyone or a specific person wants you to be or you'll drive yourself insane. Improve yourself for yourself and realize no matter what not everyone, every time, is going to approve regardless. You can improve till you're the best version of yourself and some chick may STILL like the biggest A-hole or weirdo on the planet instead of you but if you're improving for YOURSELF and realizing you can only control your actions and not others it won't matter.

The universe doesn't revolve around anyone. Me included. That's life.

 

[9Volt]

9Volt, I like that you are out here challenging the reverse matrix. We develop these ideas, which transmorphose into beliefs, then gospel--which ultimately creates a prison of our own making.

Best to be fluid, and approach each situation as needed. No two situations will require identical acts. This understanding comes with maturity, keen awareness, and true transcendence of all social constructs--including the red-pill construct.

Never been into "game" from jump. Try to pay attention. "Reverse Matrix/ red-pill construct"? LMFAO. I find that shyt hilarious.

 

[9Volt]

more "game" bs debunked:


• Don't try to understand the concepts using logic since logic doesn't apply to women

This is a tactic for when someone tries to make sense of "game" concepts. It basically means that you should understand the concepts but not cross the line where you start questioning things on the basis of logic. However, logic is just a way to get closer to the truth. So to suggest that there are instances where logic doesn't apply is no better than someone saying that they are right and that you should just have "faith".

• Solid Game vs Fool's Mate

This is a bull**** concept coined by "PUA" Mystery. If you show interest right away and the girl responds favorably right away without you having to use "game" that's fool's mate. In other words, you got lucky. This is just another way of saying that obstacles are normal and that "game" is the only reliable way to overcome them. However, maybe the real "fool" is someone who spends hours trying to game a girl rather than getting a girl who is into him right away.


• It's possible to get every girl using the right seduction method

Philosophically this is true since pretty much every girl ends up with someone, so all you have to do is be that someone. But the only problem is that you would have to change your personality and life circumstances (at least in her eyes) according to each particular girl. First of all, that's impossible since you can't know exactly what every girl wants, and even if you could it would be very damaging to your psyche constantly having to be someone you are not.

• The outcome is always within your control

This new-age perspective creates a false perception of your abilities, or lack thereof. When girls are into you you're a skilled "gamer". When girls are rejecting you your game sucks. This is not one sided though, since it takes two to tango. And girls in different parts of the world are not equally easy to hook up with, just like not all cultures are the same. Even girls in different social scenes are not equally easy to meet. For example, meeting girls through friends is much easier than meeting girls in clubs. This also ignores the fact of things out of your control a chick may not care for like your height, race, looks.

• Not acknowledging that it's mostly a numbers game

Some of these so-called gamers approach many girls, claiming how "skilled" they are, and then end up getting the girls that are fool's mate anyway. By approaching a lot all you're doing is finding those girls that make it easy for you. You cannot get any other type of girl.

A girl who likes you makes it easy for you and will tolerate some weirdness (e.g. "game" behaviour) on your part, and then these game gurus think that they got the girl because of the "game" behavior, not in spite of it.

It is natural that guys who constantly approach women eventually achieve higher success rates. But they mostly do so because they get better at detecting women who (from experience) they know they can get with. This is the main reason they appear to get better with women, but to inflate their ego they often chalk it up instead to improved skills at getting women (in general) rather than just an improved ability to detect women that they can hook up with.

 

[9Volt]

• Always having to raise your value (DHV) and lower hers, and the notion that a woman cannot be attracted any other way

This bullshyt concept can only work on very immature, low self-esteem, stupid women, but even then very inconsistently. It's also a confrontational state of mind crossing into neurotic territory.

• Obsessing over what is "alpha" or "beta"

This also leads to neurotic behaviour fvcking up interactions with women and making relationships seem like a war, rather than something to be enjoyed.

• You have to be unique and stand out from other guys

Partially true, but game fanatics fvck this up by telling you to be unique and stand out by learning tricks and routines, rather than by cultivating your personality which is going to be unique from anyone else anyway.

Dudes who spend too much time in the seduction community get addicted to the extent that they no longer seek out rational advice that is useful, but instead advice they can mentally masturbate to. These guys often become the "gurus" on forums, who are basically regular posters who have been there the longest. But ironically they end up being among the worst people to listen to simply because they are the most likely to be mental masturbators.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Game can get too mechanical

 

[Trump]

I agree, men don't need game. Men's goal should be to sleep with woman as fast as possible. If you have value, she will come back for more. If you don't, she won't.

Remember, out of all these games and PUA techniques and seduction, woman don't care about you. They only care about themselves.

 

[9Volt]

I agree, men don't need game. Men's goal should be to sleep with woman as fast as possible. If you have value, she will come back for more. If you don't, she won't.

Remember, out of all these games and PUA techniques and seduction, woman don't care about you. They only care about themselves.

"Women dont care about you, they only care about themselves". Sounds like projection and need of a group hug of self-defeating head nodding yes men.

For a poster with the username of Trump you sound like the complete opposite.

You'll meet women who care about you. Besides the women in your own families.

Give yourself some credit for once. You're going to make it dude.

 

[3agle 3yes]

I don't get what all the fuss is about.

Tricks and routines are for people struggling. It's to be used as training wheels, don't most PUAs say use their material until you develop your personality?

Most struggling guys think they have a "content" problem when in fact it's a inner problem. They think the problem is they don't know what to say when in fact the real problem is they aren't comfortable in their own skin.

Learning techniques gives them content and improves their inner game because it puts them out there and out of their comfort zones...

Once a man believes he doesn't need tricks and routines anymore he moves on...it's quite simple.

 

[Roober]

I don't get what all the fuss is about.

Tricks and routines are for people struggling. It's to be used as training wheels, don't most PUAs say use their material until you develop your personality?

Most struggling guys think they have a "content" problem when in fact it's a inner problem. They think the problem is they don't know what to say when in fact the real problem is they aren't comfortable in their own skin.

Learning techniques gives them content and improves their inner game because it puts them out there and out of their comfort zones...

Once a man believes he doesn't need tricks and routines anymore he moves on...it's quite simple.

end thread...

 

[9Volt]

I don't get what all the fuss is about.

Tricks and routines are for people struggling. It's to be used as training wheels, don't most PUAs say use their material until you develop your personality?

Most struggling guys think they have a "content" problem when in fact it's a inner problem. They think the problem is they don't know what to say when in fact the real problem is they aren't comfortable in their own skin.

Learning techniques gives them content and improves their inner game because it puts them out there and out of their comfort zones...

Once a man believes he doesn't need tricks and routines anymore he moves on...it's quite simple.

Basically PUA tells you to use their BS till you realize it's BS and then don't use it anymore. Might as well give dudes crap "advice" then let them figure out it's crap on their own instead of giving normal common sense advice because that's "too difficult" for dudes to handle who want a magic cure all.

 

[Mike32ct]

Jumping back a little, I agree with 9V about the "fools mate" thing. If you are attracted to her, and she is atttacted to you, and then you hook up, what is the problem? That's the way it's SUPPOSED to work.

If you can get the job done without "game stuff," there's nothing wrong with that. Your goal is to score efficiently, not necessarily be overly clever and a show off.

I also completely agree (and have always believed) that it's not so much that a guy develops "more skill" at the game, but he gets better at picking targets. After a while, you can "sense" attraction. An experienced guy can get away with much less approaches because he choses higher probability scores.

 

[9Volt]

The people who worship game burned me at the stake last week when I revealed effortless attraction from women on Online Dating with nothing more than straight conversation and 6 pack abs. I got called out for using "passive game" and another guy criticized me for not cold approaching.

So apparently, nothing counts unless you are a low value, no life seducer who spam approaches women. Everyone else is a "chode" according to PUA's. That's how they think. They think looks, money, and status don't matter. When a high value guy reveals he gets effortless attraction, they hate on him and calls him passive.

It's literally the chess club in high school. If you were actually a cool guy in high school, you would know that you never needed to overcompensate in any way other than being yourself.

The PUA community doesn't teach guys to be cool and accept themselves (self esteem). The community teaches guys how to be manipulative, overcompensating, sneaky, passive aggressive, and troll like. This is all coming from the frame of having lower status than women.

Pua's pedestalize women without even knowing it.

At the end of the day, it's still like high school. Status, looks, social proof, and dominance trumps everything. And women CHASE these guys. Nothing has changed you PUA dweebs.

In the words of Pook, men are supposed to conquer worlds (success and dominance) and women conquer men. Pua game is ass backwards where you try to figure out women as a no life loser.

But of course these same "PUA" types live in a cartoon world where they've always been "wanted" by chicks. They of course just choose to really "challenge" themselves "breaking societal boundaries" by going full retard pinning a merit badge of "I am better than you because I say so." on themselves even if reality dictates otherwise. You can't make this shyt up.

 

[JohnChops]

It is all about over analyzing. Once you learn it, you have this plethora of information bombarding your senses as you try and convert them, to make the info usable in reality.

Practice makes these dj principles second nature and you do more and think less, ultimately getting rid of the over thinking phase.

 

[3agle 3yes]

The people who worship game burned me at the stake last week when I revealed effortless attraction from women on Online Dating with nothing more than straight conversation and 6 pack abs. I got called out for using "passive game" and another guy criticized me for not cold approaching.

I read that thread and looking at your examples you do use "passive game". There's nothing wrong with being passive, all that matters is you do what works...BUT...

Answer these scenarios: 1) There's a hb9 on an OLD site, you know she gets messaged by tons of guys daily because she says on her profile that she's not longing for ons or flings and guys like that should not message her, you want to date her, what do you do?

And outside of OLD

2) You walk into a coffee shop and there's a "hb8" sitting down on her laptop, she occasionally looks at her phone and texts someone. You want to get her number, what do you do?

3) You're walking down a street and a hb8 walks past you in the opposite direction. You want to get her number, what do you do?

So apparently, nothing counts unless you are a low value, no life seducer who spam approaches women. Everyone else is a "chode" according to PUA's. That's how they think. They think looks, money, and status don't matter. When a high value guy reveals he gets effortless attraction, they hate on him and calls him passive.

This is a straw man argument (your post is full of it), you ought to know full well that like everything else some PUAs are better than others...and clearly some tell men to that the things you mention DO matter.

However, there are men out there who think because they have the looks and money (I'm not sure what you mean by "status" in this sense), they should have women automatically throwing themselves at them...it doesn't work like that.

Pua game is ass backwards where you try to figure out women as a no life loser.

It's true, in the sense that it's backwards because we're taught how to communicate with women rather than learning about ourselves first...this is mostly because struggling men think this way, but in the end the destination turns out the same.

I've always wanted to be able to meet and attract women anytime I want wherever I am, I feel I can do this very well now. To do this you have to have to be proactive, it's true that there's loads of garbage information out there but there's also great advice too.

 

[9Volt]

I read that thread and looking at your examples you do use "passive game". There's nothing wrong with being passive, all that matters is you do what works...BUT...

Answer these scenarios: 1) There's a hb9 on an OLD site, you know she gets messaged by tons of guys daily because she says on her profile that she's not longing for ons or flings and guys like that should not message her, you want to date her, what do you do?

And outside of OLD

2) You walk into a coffee shop and there's a "hb8" sitting down on her laptop, she occasionally looks at her phone and texts someone. You want to get her number, what do you do?

3) You're walking down a street and a hb8 walks past you in the opposite direction. You want to get her number, what do you do?
This is a straw man argument (your post is full of it), you ought to know full well that like everything else some PUAs are better than others...and clearly some tell men to that the things you mention DO matter.

However, there are men out there who think because they have the looks and money (I'm not sure what you mean by "status" in this sense), they should have women automatically throwing themselves at them...it doesn't work like that.
It's true, in the sense that it's backwards because we're taught how to communicate with women rather than learning about ourselves first...this is mostly because struggling men think this way, but in the end the destination turns out the same.

I've always wanted to be able to meet and attract women anytime I want wherever I am, I feel I can do this very well now. To do this you have to have to be proactive, it's true that there's loads of garbage information out there but there's also great advice too.

"Gamers/PUA" make chasing women a habit and their "life". There are others who don't have to trip over ourselves to get every chick. Yes at times you approach at other times chicks approach you. "PUA / Gaming" places the man chasing as much as he can and trying to do whatever he can to get reciprocation. Others will have chicks reciprocating without trying to force them to or without resorting to every trick in the book.

Might as well consider the thirst buckets who orbit chicks on social media "gamers". The same chick is either with or after some other dude who isn't tripping over himself to get her yet she's still hot for.

 

[3agle 3yes]

"Gamers/PUA" make chasing women a habit and their "life"... "PUA / Gaming" places the man chasing as much as he can and trying to do whatever he can to get reciprocation....Might as well consider the thirst buckets who orbit chicks on social media "gamers".

Again, unless you have read and seen everything there is out there I don't think you can say this categorically.

I still don't get the hate...if you're not good with women where else are you going to go?

Not every guy gets...

...effortless attraction from women on Online Dating with nothing more than straight conversation and 6 pack abs.

 

[9Volt]

Again, unless you have read and seen everything there is out there I don't think you can say this categorically.

I still don't get the hate...if you're not good with women where else are you going to go?

Not every guy gets...

Work out to get in your best shape, dress your best, groom your best and be socially free and open. No one's saying "never" approach but "PUA" makes it life and makes dudes even MORE weird and look like desperate try hards especially if in a locale where others see some dude or dudes approaching every chick they can. Whether or not pua/ gamers etc. want to admit it everyone else looks at them like desperate goofballs/ pests/ etc.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

What you are talking about is what the gamers just call 'inner game'. Gamers tend to gravitate away from outer gamer to inner game the more 'advanced' they become. From another perspective, they are just integrating certain principles into their own personality... they are becoming 'naturals'.

 

[9Volt]

What you are talking about is what the gamers just call 'inner game'. Gamers tend to gravitate away from outer gamer to inner game the more 'advanced' they become. From another perspective, they are just integrating certain principles into their own personality... they are becoming 'naturals'.

"PUA" is the last thing to become a "natural" unless you meant a natural weirdo.