I'm not interested in women older than 25

[AttackFormation]

She would come back here: "Women are the devil!"

And I'd say: "NAWALT"

Hahahahaha

 

[Desdinova]

Ahhh, I love these discussions!

I've decided to pursue women, no older than 25 and ideally around 21 - 24.

I believe the best range is 18-23. After age 23, they've been fvcked too many times and have already found the man who made them an alpha widow. They become a well-used post-it note that no longer sticks to anything.

I'm thinking into the future and I don't want kids to become part of the equation till 35

Don't worry about your age. Men are damn near timeless when it comes to fathering children. You have to focus more on her age because she's the one who expires when it comes to making babies. Women start hearing their uterus calling them around age 27. THAT is when you should start discussing children with her; when she turns 27. You need a few years to make sure she qualifies for the long term, and the bigger gap you can make between when you meet her and age 27, the better judgement you can make and the more time you can spend qualifying her.

today's young women in the 21-24 age group are hot and great for sex but just not good relationship/marriage material, if thats what you're looking for.

It always seems like everyone is missing one vital piece of information about women who are younger than their mid-20s... A woman reaches her maturity between ages 23 and 27. Those 20 year olds will get there and yes they're going to be a bit immature, but it doesn't last. Remember that. They DO grow out of it, unless they've been alpha-widowed, and women in their early 20s have a smaller chance of being alpha-widowed.

if empty minds are you're thing then by all means go young.

An empty mind also means an empty slate. You get to fill that slate with anything you want.

My general attitude is that 17 to 23 is adventure sex. 24 to 26 is somewhere inbetween. And 27 to 33 is stable plate stuff.

...and this is why you aim for women in the 18-23 age range. You get EVERYTHING.

My best LTR experiences are rooted in women who were younger than 23. My worst LTR experiences are from women in their mid-20s and older. Too many guys in their lives, be them ex-BFs or orbiters. They also believe that you should be the one handing the world to them on a silver fvcking platter. No matter how many times you pass that 5hit test, she will continue to test you because she's been conditioned by previous men to have it, and she may even eventually drop you for a man who's willing to eat her 5hit and call it a chocolate brownie.

Young women are where it's at when you're looking for a long term partner. If you have a bit of patience for an energetic and slightly immature woman who still has her head screwed on and hasn't had a ride on the c0ck carousel, you're going to find it quite rewarding.

 

[GunShow85]

Im a lot older than you (mid-30's) and used to date girls in the 24 - 29 range. It was ok, but now i too have switched to the 21-24 age group.

The thing is, girls in this range are a lot of fun. Theyre pretty, young, and i used to think they would be relatively untouched by bad experiences. However, i found the opposite to be the case. Girls who are 21-24 today are some of the most messed up individuals i have ever met. Relationships with them are fun and full of great sex, but it evolves pretty quickly into nothing but chaos and drama. Girls in this age group are just generally not ready for a relationship, no matter how much they may say they are. And while before i would have thought, Hey at least theyre relatively untouched by douchebags i found out that sadly this is not the case. Young women these days have been completely overtaken by hookup culture and have become tinder wh0res. It's not unusual for me to meet and date (read: pump and dump) girls who are 22 or 23 and have had 25 + sex partners.

And these are girls who otherwise seem pretty well put together, with jobs, educations, their own car and sometimes even their own place. These arent skid row drug addicts we're talking about, the last girl i dated was 22 and a ms Universe competitor. She had her own car, a good job, and had just bought her own condo. But when she told me about her sexual past i was beyond shocked. And the hotter the girl, the worse it is. Hot girls are a magnet for good looking smooth operators and then these girls get a taste for and addiction to the thrill of quick and easy hookups with hot guys. This is a very tough addiction to break, no matter how much your 21 yr old sweetie will say she wants a relationship.
tl;dr..

today's young women in the 21-24 age group are hot and great for sex but just not good relationship/marriage material, if thats what you're looking for.

I agree w Desdinova that older girls have too many sex partners and can't bond (like an old post it note).

But in reality, I keep seeing that ALL young girls have lots of issues. I think something is wrong with society (rise in divorced parents, social media, hookup culture, worshipped celebrities, etc). I really think we are going to see the millennials struggle with stable long term marriages in the future.

My friends who get divorced (age 30-40) all initially go out and bang 10-20 hot twenty somethings the first year single. It's is easy sex with girls that are hot. All these girls are college educated, good job, no drugs, etc. But ever twenty something turns out to ALL have major issues (lying, materialistic, unfaithful, crazy jealous, talking kids on 2nd date, tattoos, personifying their little pets, etc).

Yes they are HOT and FUN, but all my buddies end up marrying someone in their 30's (after pump/dump countless hot 20's).

Their stories are crazy but after awhile it gets old and they just want a normal/sane woman to spend time with.

 

[Desdinova]

But in reality, I keep seeing that ALL young girls have lots of issues. I think something is wrong with society (rise in divorced parents, social media, hookup culture, worshipped celebrities, etc). I really think we are going to see the millennials struggle with stable long term marriages in the future.

I think the generation following the Millenials is going to be in the biggest trouble. Marriage in general continues to go down the toilet while society encourages feminine men, multiple genders, and gay parents. I would really like to see a backlash against all this crap and see masculinity rise again. Masculinity is required for natural procreation to occur. Without it, good women from stable families will continue to become more scarce.

I honestly believe that the West is doomed if it continues down the path that it's going. Any masculine men who rise from the next generation will most certainly have to look to other countries if they want a good woman for a stable relationship. It's difficult to find one here today, and it's going to be extremely rare 20 years from now.

If you want an easy way to find a good woman, find one in another country age 18-23. Yes, the same rules apply to women from other countries. The only difference is a good woman in this age range will be much easier to find.

 

[EyeBRollin]

They're just too ****ing immature and flaky at 18-23 to even associate with. They are literally children.

 

[sazc]

I'm still laughing at BeExcellent's comment in some thread that "young women want marriage". It's such a blatantly wrong statement, but that it's said by a woman on this forum just makes me crack up every time.

To be fair, I think that @BeExcellent and myself didn't live in the same world that you describe for 20 something's. I, personally, was selective in regards to men, and didn't ride this "c0ck carousel" that you speak of. I had one LTR after another. There were a few (2) men who led me on to try to spin me as a plate, but I got wise to them quickly, and refined my own vetting procedure. I was always looking/vetting for a life partner. I believe @BeExcellent was the same way, which is why she stated that.

That said, a LOT of my girlfriends were easy slvts. I was horrified, but saw it for what it was, they were looking for love. They were looking for personal validation from a man and mistakenly thought they could hook one via their crotch. So I can see where your c0ck carousel theory occurs from.

 

[AttackFormation]

To be fair, I think that @BeExcellent and myself didn't live in the same world that you describe for 20 something's. I, personally, was selective in regards to men, and didn't ride this "c0ck carousel" that you speak of. I had one LTR after another. There were a few (2) men who led me on to try to spin me as a plate, but I got wise to them quickly, and refined my own vetting procedure. I was always looking/vetting for a life partner. I believe @BeExcellent was the same way, which is why she stated that.

That said, a LOT of my girlfriends were easy slvts. I was horrified, but saw it for what it was, they were looking for love. They were looking for personal validation from a man and mistakenly thought they could hook one via their crotch. So I can see where your c0ck carousel theory occurs from.

I don't judge women by how "easy" they are but by their character, which is separate from how much sex she has with how many guys. For example, for all I know an "easy" girl is so because she has a lot of love to give, she's fun to be with and she likes men, and a prude is so because she's cold, likes playing with men and making them squeeze for her so she can feel good. I judge a girl by the way she treats other people and her honesty to both herself and others. If a girl likes you, of course she will want to fvck with you quickly, guys who don't get that are just morons. And I don't think this way for womens' sake but because it's the right thing to do.

The c0ck carousel at least for me isn't about girls having sex being bad in itself, more so the consequences of it and the process.

 

[El Payaso]

I think the generation following the Millenials is going to be in the biggest trouble. Marriage in general continues to go down the toilet while society encourages feminine men, multiple genders, and gay parents. I would really like to see a backlash against all this crap and see masculinity rise again. Masculinity is required for natural procreation to occur. Without it, good women from stable families will continue to become more scarce.

I honestly believe that the West is doomed if it continues down the path that it's going. Any masculine men who rise from the next generation will most certainly have to look to other countries if they want a good woman for a stable relationship. It's difficult to find one here today, and it's going to be extremely rare 20 years from now.

If you want an easy way to find a good woman, find one in another country age 18-23. Yes, the same rules apply to women from other countries. The only difference is a good woman in this age range will be much easier to find.

Even if one finds a "good" woman overseas, once he brings her here, she will be corrupted by feminism and the feminine imperative so it's mostly pointless.

 

[BeExcellent]

I really do not envy the Millennial generation. Had a lovely 3rd date last night with a cool man in his early 50s and we were chatting about this since he has a 21 year old son and I have children coming of age.

As we were leaving one venue there was a group of young people out front posing for various photos and group selfies. My date said "See, this is a Millennial thing".... Everyone updating social media and on. We had a conversation about how big the generation gap really is...probably the biggest shift since the invention of the telephone/telegraph technology insofar as impact on society socially among the masses.

I can't blame young men who think marriage is a joke...but I see (from a more conservative place than very liberal feminist large metro areas) young women who do want marriage & family. There exist young women who (as I did), wait & commit to LTR only to get dumped unceremoniously after investing "prime" years into something she was committed to. I'm not crying over it because that experience forced me to look closely at life as it actually is. It taught me to qualify men more thoroughly, taught me to vet no matter how smooth or how handsome a man might be.

My nanny's daughter just went through a similar experience. She is mid 20s, dated a man for 3 years, the boyfriend's family adores her, they spend vacations & holidays together...she gets transferred to another state for work, he wants to stay together so they can make future plans...she stays faithful & then some other girl calls her up going "who the hell are you?" While sitting on her couch in the apartment she shared with the boyfriend. She broke things off immediately and retrieved her things the next weekend.

She was a faithful committed young lady. She's also very pretty and will make a great mom. So men who treat good women poorly are not helping the situation either.

My point is that there ARE young commitment minded women out there. But promiscuity is bad for both sexes if bonding and children are the goal.

I know couples who actually lost their virginity to EACH OTHER who share in a deep wonderful bond of becoming "one flesh" and they have never shared their bodies with anyone else. What an amazing & sacred marriage they have. My mother in law was such a woman. She was making plans to become a nun when her sister introduced her to the young man she later married.

Now obviously if you are not still a virgin then that ship has sailed. If you are, like I think @wifehunter may be, then you retain real opportunity for something amazing.

But you have to figure out where to look. Frankly some women who have valued their chastity want to marry a man who has done the same. When you stop laughing think about how rare that is...and yet I know families where the sons are chaste (good looking men who could have sex tomorrow but choose not to.)

Innocence is not lost but it is increasingly rare and you are not going to find it in bars or promiscuous environments. Don't complain that all you find is apples in an apple orchard.

That man w h o r e s can't find a chaste woman or low count woman or whatever... That makes ME laugh @AttackFormation. What on earth makes a man w h o r e think he is entitled to a chaste woman when EVERY man thinks he deserves a chaste woman and if she is beautiful & sweet she DOES have unlimited choices? This RARE woman is doing the choosing from amongst the best male options.

That's the way it has always been through time & it's no different now.This is how the sexual double standard wallops men in economies of scale. Are some guys going to find a gal like @Desdinova? Sure. I'm thrilled Des is doing well. Many won't find what Des has.

I can't even wrap my head around 21 year old women with 2 dozen partners...but I came of age in an era where AIDS and HIV were exploding onto the scene & having careless sex could be a death sentence. I know people who died terrible deaths from AIDS. Watch "Dallas Buyer's Club". Chilling and sobering.

So then it seems the discussion started by @BeTheChange is about long term compatability assuming physical attraction.

Whatever age group you choose look for compatibility (as both friends and lovers), sensibility (low drama) and stability. Whether you think you are marriage minded or not women who exhibit this combination of traits are but a small subset. Most will want a marriage commitment if you want a motherhood obligation for bearing your babies. Men who don't understand this are themselves childish and delusional.

 

[fastlife]

@BeExcellent I think that's all a wonderful idea--but it just doesn't measure up that way in the real world. 'Chastity' for girls in 2017 is ~5 partners @ 18/19. That's the low end, and this is taken from a vast sample size. I live in one of the more (most?) sexually conservative, marriage-oriented areas of the United States. I'm spitting distance from one of the top 5 most expensive colleges in the country; I'm spitting distance from an extremely popular international tourist destination; I frequent another mostly blue collar state university.

In the past seven years I've met exactly one virgin above the age of 18. That was seven years ago--she was super anti-marriage; her words were, "There just weren't any cute boys where I'm from." These days, she's a fixture in the high end party life in a major metropolitan area. Alcohol. Coke. I'm sure her n-count is in the twenties, at least.

A lot has changed since the 80's: Social media, cheap antibiotics, widespread birth control that's available even without parental consent, the total de-stigmatization of STD's, abortion, teen pregnancy, single motherhood, promiscuity, the erosion of all long term communities (most people don't even know their next door neighbors), the widespread access to porn (5 yrs ago none of the girls could/would deep throaty, now they're all champs; 5 years ago girls wouldn't do anal because it was gross or scary or dangerous, now they don't do it because they've tried it before & it hurt).

Are there outliers? Sure. But what are the numbers? One in ten thousand? Out of the already minuscule percentage of the population that's young, female & attractive. And even of those girls that are genuinely good girls--watch their eyes dim when I demonstrate my more virtuous qualities...but watch their eyes when I complain that my foursome this weekend fell apart at the last minute.... Watch how fast they flake on a coffee date, but watch how quickly they respond when I invite them over for a glass of wine....

Men have the monopoly on chastity in 2017. It's cheap and abundant and only desired by women when they've tried their coin at locking down a player or seven and need to desperately recoup their sense of self worth & cover their tracks on Instagram after they delete all their keg stand glow party 'Nights we won't remember with people we won't forget' posts. Advocating male chastity, which my single mother did with me & which informed most of the first two decades of my life, is setting men up to be the perfect utility. It's a covert contract that flat out doesn't work.

I know this probably sounds jaded or cynical or even an outlandish case of confirmation bias--but I'm just seeing what's in front of me. Part of me would still love to meet a nice girl and to have a sense of security and long term mutual growth--but I'm not holding my breath & I'm certainly not willing to bargain or self-efface or subject myself to cognitive dissonance in that pursuit.

 

[sazc]

The one thing I do recognize is young ladies are much different these days as opposed to when I was in my 20s. I know that's part of the reason some of you get frustrated with the female perspective posts.

 

[BeTheChange]

@BeExcellent
Advocating male chastity, which my single mother did with me & which informed most of the first two decades of my life, is setting men up to be the perfect utility. It's a covert contract that flat out doesn't work.

Indeed encouraging male chastity is setting up a man to live with oneitis for the rest of his relationship. A man with no experience will end up getting utterly destroyed by even the most well meaning of women. Either that or a lifetime of serfdom.

 

[Urbanyst]

I really do not envy the Millennial generation. Had a lovely 3rd date last night with a cool man in his early 50s and we were chatting about this since he has a 21 year old son and I have children coming of age.

As we were leaving one venue there was a group of young people out front posing for various photos and group selfies. My date said "See, this is a Millennial thing".... Everyone updating social media and on. We had a conversation about how big the generation gap really is...probably the biggest shift since the invention of the telephone/telegraph technology insofar as impact on society socially among the masses.

I can't blame young men who think marriage is a joke...but I see (from a more conservative place than very liberal feminist large metro areas) young women who do want marriage & family. There exist young women who (as I did), wait & commit to LTR only to get dumped unceremoniously after investing "prime" years into something she was committed to. I'm not crying over it because that experience forced me to look closely at life as it actually is. It taught me to qualify men more thoroughly, taught me to vet no matter how smooth or how handsome a man might be.

This belief that you can screen and vet your way into the perfect relationship is wishful thinking.

Human beings are unpredictable and nothing you do will change that. No matter how much someone is into you today, they can lose interest later. Vet all you want, but nothing will change that fact.

Just because someone dumps you after several years of commitment, that doesn't mean they played you or duped you. Usually they just lost interest over time or their feelings changed.

No amount of vetting or screening will change this!! You just have to take a chance on people and hope it works out. You have no control over their future decisions. Just accept it.

My nanny's daughter just went through a similar experience. She is mid 20s, dated a man for 3 years, the boyfriend's family adores her, they spend vacations & holidays together...she gets transferred to another state for work, he wants to stay together so they can make future plans...she stays faithful & then some other girl calls her up going "who the hell are you?" While sitting on her couch in the apartment she shared with the boyfriend. She broke things off immediately and retrieved her things the next weekend.

She was a faithful committed young lady. She's also very pretty and will make a great mom. So men who treat good women poorly are not helping the situation either.

My point is that there ARE young commitment minded women out there. But promiscuity is bad for both sexes if bonding and children are the goal.

I know couples who actually lost their virginity to EACH OTHER who share in a deep wonderful bond of becoming "one flesh" and they have never shared their bodies with anyone else. What an amazing & sacred marriage they have. My mother in law was such a woman. She was making plans to become a nun when her sister introduced her to the young man she later married.

Now obviously if you are not still a virgin then that ship has sailed. If you are, like I think @wifehunter may be, then you retain real opportunity for something amazing.

But you have to figure out where to look. Frankly some women who have valued their chastity want to marry a man who has done the same. When you stop laughing think about how rare that is...and yet I know families where the sons are chaste (good looking men who could have sex tomorrow but choose not to.)

Innocence is not lost but it is increasingly rare and you are not going to find it in bars or promiscuous environments. Don't complain that all you find is apples in an apple orchard.

That man w h o r e s can't find a chaste woman or low count woman or whatever... That makes ME laugh @AttackFormation. What on earth makes a man w h o r e think he is entitled to a chaste woman when EVERY man thinks he deserves a chaste woman and if she is beautiful & sweet she DOES have unlimited choices? This RARE woman is doing the choosing from amongst the best male options.

That's the way it has always been through time & it's no different now.This is how the sexual double standard wallops men in economies of scale. Are some guys going to find a gal like @Desdinova? Sure. I'm thrilled Des is doing well. Many won't find what Des has.

I can't even wrap my head around 21 year old women with 2 dozen partners...but I came of age in an era where AIDS and HIV were exploding onto the scene & having careless sex could be a death sentence. I know people who died terrible deaths from AIDS. Watch "Dallas Buyer's Club". Chilling and sobering.

So then it seems the discussion started by @BeTheChange is about long term compatability assuming physical attraction.

Whatever age group you choose look for compatibility (as both friends and lovers), sensibility (low drama) and stability. Whether you think you are marriage minded or not women who exhibit this combination of traits are but a small subset. Most will want a marriage commitment if you want a motherhood obligation for bearing your babies. Men who don't understand this are themselves childish and delusional.

I think too many people today live in the past.

They either refuse to see or refuse to accept the realities of these modern times.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

My nanny's daughter just went through a similar experience. She is mid 20s, dated a man for 3 years, the boyfriend's family adores her, they spend vacations & holidays together...she gets transferred to another state for work, he wants to stay together so they can make future plans...she stays faithful & then some other girl calls her up going "who the hell are you?" While sitting on her couch in the apartment she shared with the boyfriend. She broke things off immediately and retrieved her things the next weekend.

She was a faithful committed young lady. She's also very pretty and will make a great mom. So men who treat good women poorly are not helping the situation either.

Why was she with a guy who would cheat on her? In fact, that is a bad question because sex is different between men and women. You as a woman cannot understand how important sex is to a man. It's an urge, like how you need food to eat or water to drink. After a while, it is no longer an 'in the moment' type of thing, it isn't base does on mood or anything. You just gotta release. But like I said, that's a bad question. Perhaps I can ask, why couldn't her boyfriend provide enough for her to where she wouldn't have to leave for work? Or was she a 'career-driven and independent' woman? That is idiotic if she was because her boyfriend would have been taking care of her. If the guy couldn't provide for her though, WHY WAS SHE WITH HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE? If he didn't have enough money to help her, he was likely of lower class because of that. And as such, this young woman who you say would make a great mom fell for the scum of the Earth. Funny thing is, she isn't the only one. Women would rather be with a guy who is more carefree, fun, and exciting rather than the smart, innovative inventor. You are a perfect example of this because your first husband managed strip clubs, yet you talk about how women want men who save themselves for that one special women. That's ridiculous.

My point is that there ARE young commitment minded women out there. But promiscuity is bad for both sexes if bonding and children are the goal.

Now obviously if you are not still a virgin then that ship has sailed. If you are, like I think @wifehunter may be, then you retain real opportunity for something amazing.

Promiscuity is only bad for the woman. No it is not a double standard. Men are able to love multiple women at a time. A woman cannot love multiple men at the same time though. If you were young again yet still had kids, and completely fell in love with another man and decided that you wanted to have kids with him, your new children would overshadow your previous ones and you would no longer care about the kids you had with your first lover. Your love, even for your kids, is not unconditional.

But you have to figure out where to look. Frankly some women who have valued their chastity want to marry a man who has done the same. When you stop laughing think about how rare that is...and yet I know families where the sons are chaste (good looking men who could have sex tomorrow but choose not to.)

Innocence is not lost but it is increasingly rare and you are not going to find it in bars or promiscuous environments. Don't complain that all you find is apples in an apple orchard.

That man w h o r e s can't find a chaste woman or low count woman or whatever... That makes ME laugh @AttackFormation. What on earth makes a man w h o r e think he is entitled to a chaste woman when EVERY man thinks he deserves a chaste woman and if she is beautiful & sweet she DOES have unlimited choices? This RARE woman is doing the choosing from amongst the best male options.

Because contrary to what YOU believe, men do not lose the ability to bond by having multiple partners to nearly the extent of a woman. If a man is tough enough and smart enough to comprehend that his woman is NOT the only woman in the world, then his ability to bond with a woman does NOT change at all whether this woman is his first or 100th. Men and women are not the same. Do not uphold the same standards you have for women on men. You are setting your son up for misery and relationship failure if you think this way; once I was able to break away from that mindset of how there are plentiful good women out there, I was able to gain the full amount of respect for myself and was able to truly become my own leader. And no, I am not saying there are no good women out there. I think I may have befriended one actually. However, she is in love with some guy who says that they can't be together because of some cultural crap. I don't know much about him so I can't really judge his character, but I still do know of his culture very well because we share the same cultural background. Through that and what she has told me, I can tell that he is either not a very strong man, or he just doesn't care about her very much. A GOOD woman, one that you would say is a good woman is in love with a man who exhibits bad qualities. Because of reasons like this, we believe that we should have good and chaste women.

 

[BeExcellent]

Men & women are not the same? Well no kidding.

Gentlemen, I'm not suggesting chastity as a mating strategy for men. If you are not a virgin that ship has sailed already anyhow. It is true however that women who value their virginity might expect a man who also values his.

I think the sexual double standard is an excuse for promiscuity on the part of the man and an attempt to justify it, that's all.

I hear ya loud & clear that the SMP has worsened. I'm quite concerned about what my kids coming up are facing & I'm working with my ex to raise young people who are suitably prepared for adulthood. My stance is as much candor and transparency as possible. I'm also unafraid of conversations my kids find awkward. They'll get over awkward. They may not get over catastrophic results from behavior they can't undo. So they will be as prepared as they can be.

The idea that a woman can only love one man at a time is not necessarily true. Socially unacceptable? Yes. Impossible? Hardly.

The idea that women don't/can't understand the sex drive is ill informed. No a woman doesn't understand what it is like to get a hard on just like a man doesn't understand what it is like to menstruate.

Emotionally healthy women have a sex drive too. It is a more emotionally based drive than a man's sex drive...but to say a woman can't fathom that is naive. Women in fact have exploited men in this way for millennia precisely because of understanding very well the male sex drive.

For the record @ImTheDoubleGreatest! my ex husband did NOT own a strip club. On the contrary he owned a high end upscale nightclub and popular live music venue in a major metro area. So let's please get your facts straight. My ex and I both know people who are in the strip club business because it's a similar industry, and industry people know each other.

The entire paragraph you wrote about my nanny's daughter is laughable. Guess what? Some men cheat and lie. Just like men here have run into women who took advantage of good men...there are men out there who will take advantage of good women.

I mean if your logic serves, why hasn't every guy here picked out a great woman? Oh. Because you can't tell who's who without getting to know people and it takes time in some cases for true nature to reveal itself. I'll chalk that one up to immaturity, although I think you are generally well thought out for your age, you are off base here. Sorry.

Women need to support themselves while they are single. The boyfriend is suitably employed. He's a liar. Better she know now. What's she supposed to do? Be unemployed waiting for a man to rescue her? Don't be silly.

I think generally promiscuous behavior is a bad idea. It has health risks, reproductive risks, stigmas and emotionally damaging outcomes. I am well aware that what I think is a minority position and that sexual behavior is starting younger & younger. No question the landscape is troubling. But I think educating my kids about these risks is much more responsible than giving up and saying oh well.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

The entire paragraph you wrote about my nanny's daughter is laughable. Guess what? Some men cheat and lie. Just like men here have run into women who took advantage of good men...there are men out there who will take advantage of good women.

I mean if your logic serves, why hasn't every guy here picked out a great woman? Oh. Because you can't tell who's who without getting to know people and it takes time in some cases for true nature to reveal itself. I'll chalk that one up to immaturity, although I think you are generally well thought out for your age, you are off base here. Sorry.

Women need to support themselves while they are single. The boyfriend is suitably employed. He's a liar. Better she know now. What's she supposed to do? Be unemployed waiting for a man to rescue her? Don't be silly.

Tell me, how long was she away for?

 

[BeExcellent]

Not that long but it doesn't matter. The boyfriend wanted her to remain his exclusive girlfriend. If he wanted to date others he should have said so. Instead he wanted to have a girlfriend and a side piece.

Good women won't put up with that behavior.

 

[Infern0]

Unless its an exceptionally good looking woman, im not interested in iver 25 either. The wall hits early and its not kind to todays binge drinking, carousel riding women. I want a woman on my level physically. As a 28 year old man in my prime there arent many women over 25 who can keep up.

 

[zekko]

My general attitude is that 17 to 23 is adventure sex. 24 to 26 is somewhere inbetween. And 27 to 33 is stable plate stuff.

And when they get older than 33, they should be killed. A bit like Logan's Run.
J/k, feeling my age a bit today.

Regarding the OP, he is 38. I think in the average relationship, the man is four years older than the woman. So keeping it under 25 is right in his wheelhouse anyway, don't see what the big deal is.

I honestly believe that the West is doomed if it continues down the path that it's going.

I agree the best hope for the West is some sort of backlash, but the problem is a complicated one. It isn't only about masculinity, femininity, and feminism, although those things are both causes and symptoms. A lot of it has to do with moral decline, the pill, the idea of responsibility-free sex, anything goes, everything must be tolerated, social media, the hookup culture, etc, etc. Not sure you can put the genie back in the bottle.

Of course, the PUA world is based largely on philosphies such as Nietzche's, so the seduction community usually looks at the concept of morality with disdain.

 

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Ok I had to laugh this is funny

Nightclubs are close enough to strip clubs to me. I mean they're all redlight district in my eyes....