I'm not interested in women older than 25

[BeTheChange]

I've developed a big picture view for where I want to be in the next few years financially, professionally and personally. And the reality is there is not a lot of time to date subpar women without comprising on those things. I'm 28 now.

Meeting and banging a chick you have no intention of seeing again just doesn't do it for me anymore, unless it's on a night out with friends and it just happens. I'm not saying I want to get married and cocoon myself into the false sense of security and comfort that a blue pill relationship brings, but perpetual short term plate spinning doesn't interest me at all. From a cost benefit analysis it's lacking.

My ideal would be to plate spin women who I would only consider for an LTR (not the same as saying I would necessarily seek an LTR with them) and if one of them asks for commitment and she meets my standards then I'd be open to it. I like all that relationship stuff. Running round the city doing things together.

I'm thinking into the future and I don't want kids to become part of the equation till 35, but at the same time this hypothetical woman is going to be the mother of my children, something I wouldn't take lightly. I know what it is to grow up in a less than stellar family environment and I wouldn't knowingly put my kids through such an experience. That means we'd need to be in an LTR for at least three years and probably more like five, before I'd want such a woman to bare my children.

With that in mind I've decided to pursue women, no older than 25 and ideally around 21 - 24. Older than that and they'll be at the wall by the time I'm ready for the most serious level of commitment, which could be up to seven years from now, not to mention the fertility issues, **** carousel count, the general baggage of failed relationships and increasingly dead-eyed, age degrading faces and bodies that you have to deal with when dating older women.

Anyone else feel this way or am I overthinking things?

 

[Tenacity]

I personally target women 25 - 33, no younger than 25 and no older than my present age. But to each their own, if you prefer 21 - 24 then do you Bro.

 

[RangerMIke]

So you are saying you like emotional chaotic behavior.... but hey you are in your 20s... it's not like you really have much of a choice.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Well, let's look at it this way:

What do you have to lose?

If it turns out that you can't find a single quality girl like Tenacity, then at least you had SOME good experiences while they lasted. But if you do find a great chick, hey more power to ya.

And also, think about what you would tell someone if they had asked this question instead of you. What response would you give?

 

[skinnyguy]

Good stuff. Women over 25 have attitudes and opinions about everything. They get offended way too easily and don't know how to party. They are jaded by the 9-5 lifestyle and only want something that will "go somewhere".

The girls I date who are 21-24 are super fun and can take a joke. If they are in college it's best because they have more free time. They don't expect you to buy them dinner and stuff they are just super grateful that you're hanging out with them.!

As for emotional outbursts, I haven't dealt with that before. All you have to do is screen a little bit and go for girls who are smart.

When it comes to them not being marriage material, that's a huge plus to me.

 

[marmel75]

I've developed a big picture view for where I want to be in the next few years financially, professionally and personally. And the reality is there is not a lot of time to date subpar women without comprising on those things. I'm 28 now.

Meeting and banging a chick you have no intention of seeing again just doesn't do it for me anymore, unless it's on a night out with friends and it just happens. I'm not saying I want to get married and cocoon myself into the false sense of security and comfort that a blue pill relationship brings, but perpetual short term plate spinning doesn't interest me at all. From a cost benefit analysis it's lacking.

My ideal would be to plate spin women who I would only consider for an LTR (not the same as saying I would necessarily seek an LTR with them) and if one of them asks for commitment and she meets my standards then I'd be open to it. I like all that relationship stuff. Running round the city doing things together.

I'm thinking into the future and I don't want kids to become part of the equation till 35, but at the same time this hypothetical woman is going to be the mother of my children, something I wouldn't take lightly. I know what it is to grow up in a less than stellar family environment and I wouldn't knowingly put my kids through such an experience. That means we'd need to be in an LTR for at least three years and probably more like five, before I'd want such a woman to bare my children.

With that in mind I've decided to pursue women, no older than 25 and ideally around 21 - 24. Older than that and they'll be at the wall by the time I'm ready for the most serious level of commitment, which could be up to seven years from now, not to mention the fertility issues, **** carousel count, the general baggage of failed relationships and increasingly dead-eyed, age degrading faces and bodies that you have to deal with when dating older women.

Anyone else feel this way or am I overthinking things?

I'm not into young women at all...I find them immature, self centered and most of them can't take a deep hard d!cking to save their life...

 

[Sdives]

I have kept them under 25 always. Over 25 is a complete waste of time, nothing to offer. If you can keep them younger is the best strategy possible.

 

[Sdives]

So you are saying you like emotional chaotic behavior.... but hey you are in your 20s... it's not like you really have much of a choice.

That happens at all ages, some of them get worse as they age for this. You know exactly what Im talking about

 

[marmel75]

I have kept them under 25 always. Over 25 is a complete waste of time, nothing to offer. If you can keep them younger is the best strategy possible.

Depends what you value...if empty minds are you're thing then by all means go young. As you get older what you enjoy begins to change. .

 

[BeTheChange]

Depends what you value...if empty minds are you're thing then by all means go young. As you get older what you enjoy begins to change. .

LOL. You sound like you should be on Jezebel.

Substance is definitely not correlated with age IME. Most older women behave themselves more out of necessity than anything else. They can't get away with the same sh*t they could at 22. I've flat out had older women tell me this as I give the impression of being non-judgemental. During my standard "what's the craziest sexual thing you've done" screening sessions I even had one 30 year old plate tell me she got fvcked by two guys at the same time back in the day and put it down as youthful indiscretion...Expecting that I'd see her as wifie material just because now she's "ready to settle down", cooks for me and doesn't start drama. Please. Give me a young (relatively) blank canvas over a reformed, "mature" slvt any day of the week.

I'm well aware of some of the negatives (real or imagined) of dealing with younger women. Still think the benefits massively outweigh those of getting with older, post wall women.

 

[RangerMIke]

That happens at all ages, some of them get worse as they age for this. You know exactly what Im talking about

As they get older it isn't so chaotic... they are much more consistently b!tchy, depending on the amount of baggage. Chicks in their early 20s can be a lot of fun.... then the next minute they are weeping uncontrollably... for no apparent reason, then the next she storming off in a huff. One thing is certain it ain't boring.

 

[EyeBRollin]

21 is fun but too young. They aren't adults yet. The best age is 24-30 for LTR. I prefer my wife to be younger than me by at least 5 years, so I won't bother to settle down until 35.

 

[BeTheChange]

I was in an LTR with a chick who was 19 when we met. She's 23 now. From what I've heard she is in another LTR. Most of my female friends are paired up and have been from uni days - either with the same guys or serially monogamous - so this idea that all hot 22 year olds simply want to ride the **** carousel is flawed.

Society definitely promotes the **** carousel and big cities like London, New York, etc with the necessity of delayed adulthood facilite this even more. But in spite of this for whatever reason there are a minority of young chicks out there who want relationships. The problem is girls in this category are still massive slvts who cheat on their boyfriends religiously and /or get taken off the market real quick.

 

[BeTheChange]

Who said "all girls"?

Anybody with a basic understanding of women, and their game, knows how to play it appropriately.

If you want an easy steady girl, you don't look in that age range. Because that isn't the default type.

It's merely turning a woman's own game back on her. Exploiting her frame.

If you are getting annoyed at stating something so obvious, then you need to have a do-over of your own inner-game.

Frame is your ability to push your expectations onto the world. But it has limits. Don't ever get caught up in your own subjective reality to the point that you lose perspective.

You want to go for 20 year olds? Fantastic. Just expect it to be a slightly trickier pursuit for something stable. Expect more of a frame battle. Just obvious.

Who's getting annoyed? I was simply stating my experiences and observations don't reflect some of the other comments in this thread. Nothing to do with inner game.

On a cost benefit basis it's my belief that in spite of their drawbacks, younger women are better suited in fitting into my long term goals and desires. Nothing more, nothing less. If all you care about is stability then I agree, older plates are much easier to deal with, but then so are uglier women...if you want to settle then fair enough. That's not my personality.

 

[BeTheChange]

Some of my experiences from when I was 19 could be used as counterpoint for that too.

But my experiences of cold approaching as a 30 year old validate my general cold read.

Has everything to do with inner-game, expectations, and frame.



Has nothing to do with settling, everything to do with understanding how the land lies.

You state "not every young woman wants to ride the c0ck carousel".

I say, every young woman has much more testosterone. That makes her seek out alphas for adventure sex.

It doesn't make for stability.

Of course you can have her stable, it's just more work.

It's simply taking women for what they are. That's all. And the discussion is about their worth, so...

Fair point. Expectations need to be grounded in reality and I think mine are.

One needs to be fully aware of the downsides before engaging in any venture.

I've had LTRs with two women a few years younger than me and both were sitting firmly in the 19 - 23 category. Their demise had more to do with my inner game, frame issues and lack of game awareness than any desire they may have had to fvck other guys.

We live and learn.

Of course younger women are more work in terms of getting and keeping their attention.

I value youth and beauty, more than stability, despite the cost and the low probability of coming across a woman that meets my standards. Of this I'm fully aware - I just got flaked on tonight by a 22 year old. It is what it is.

 

[fastlife]

You want to go for 20 year olds? Fantastic. Just expect it to be a slightly trickier pursuit for something stable. Expect more of a frame battle. Just obvious.

Opposite in my experience. The sh1t tests from a mid-twenties woman are far, far more vicious & sophisticated than anything a 19 y/o will throw at you. They've had their frame tested & validated far more as they've put in some years on the meat market. Higher expectations, even if they are significantly less attractive than they were @ 19--throw in the Wall & I've found mid-twenties girls (I haven't gone any higher) to be a general pain in the ass.

My 3 best plates were 20, 18, & 19 when I met them. They went for 7 mos (ended due to distance), 4 mos (ended due to distances), and one mo & counting, respectively. I've found girls in that age range to be more inquisitive, more submissive, more flexible, more generous, more genuine & less expectant than their older counterparts. And why shouldn't they be? They're living in total abundance for the foreseeable future--but it's a new abundance & not one they take for granted or know how to exploit yer. Only real drawbacks are 1.) They don't get my pop-culture references and 2.) Their taste in music is generally garbage lol.

For me, if I were entertaining monogamy (and I'm really not at this point) I'd be looking for an inexperienced 18/19 y/o, vet her for 3 years & lead her in a positive life direction, and go from there. The only way long term monogamy would make sense for me is that she invest her prime upfront (18-25ish, biologically speaking) in exchange for access to mine later on (30-35ish probably,big picture wise). But I think culturally that's an unrealistic goal & I have too many good options in front of me.

 

[BeTheChange]

For me, if I were entertaining monogamy (and I'm really not at this point) I'd be looking for an inexperienced 18/19 y/o, vet her for 3 years & lead her in a positive life direction, and go from there. The only way long term monogamy would make sense for me is that she invest her prime upfront (18-25ish, biologically speaking) in exchange for access to mine later on (30-35ish probably,big picture wise). But I think culturally that's an unrealistic goal & I have too many good options in front of me.

A thousand times this. Your whole post perfectly articulates the internal struggle I've been grasping with, since spinning plates again. Why should we allow women exclusivity at our peak when they were too dumb and myopic to grant us the same thing. This is the core point for me. I would never give away commitment to a woman who squandered her youth riding the c0ck carousel.

I'd rather suffer the unpredictability of dealing with the sub 25 yr old crowd than entertain older women for anything other than pump and dump.

 

[AttackFormation]

I say, every young woman has much more testosterone. That makes her seek out alphas for adventure sex.

I'm still laughing at BeExcellent's comment in some thread that "young women want marriage". It's such a blatantly wrong statement, but that it's said by a woman on this forum just makes me crack up every time.

 

[EyeBRollin]

My experience is that the 21-23 year old age range they are children. Most of them have little to no integrity, and don't know the first thing about being a stable partner. Beauty and sex aren't enough for commitment. You marry her personality and values. I don't have time to teach a girl how to be a woman.

I flat out won't talk to a woman that can't even sit in a bar, so under 21 is completely out of the question.

 

[AttackFormation]

When she goes and does a couple of hundred sets, she can come back and tell me how it all went.

"Jessica, will you marry me?"