Most of us do better without "game". Why?

[9Volt]

Because we don't act like weirdo robots following a script.

We don't approach every chick we see looking like a thirst bucket desperate for a chick or chicks to "approve" of us. When all we'd really be doing is playing a numbers game to find the one or few that may put up with our act then having to maintain that act because our paranoid religion of "game" would tell us we're always in the "wrong" if things don't work out.

We don't over-ANALize every situation driving ourselves insane and bitter in the process.

We realize that no matter how much we improve not every chick is going to like us just like we don't have to like every chick.

How else did the human race manage to last this long before the religion of "Game"?

 

[Mike32ct]

What I always found funny was the PUA claim that they are "copying with naturals do." But PUA techniques AREN'T like the behavior of naturals at all.

1. I don't see naturals approach every woman or group in the venue. They just talk to some people nearby that they WANT to talk to.

2. I don't see naturals "slouching down on the couch and "spreading out to take up space" lol. They sit normal.

3. I don't see naturals "peacocking." They dress normal and rather plain.

I could go on, but you get my point. I'm not against PUA at all, but please don't claim that it's "reverse engineered from naturals." It's not. It's a different model to operate from.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I think of game as the ability to influence women to do what you want. That doesn't always mean sex. I've made a lot of sales to women, gotten several rides when I was stranded, gotten them to break some rules for me regarding files in the court house...when I need help, I look for a woman first, because I know I have more influence over her than I do a random guy.

 

[sch]

Come on guys... there's nothing as thrilling as approaching non-stop. And the high you feel after night out. And taking girl away from a group of 5 huge dudes. And crazy adventures you get from time to time. And feeling high after pulling, and feeling down after brutal heart breaking night out.

Modern pickup doesn't assume that you have no value. Modern pickup doesn't overanlyze minuscule details. Most of the points from this thread are just plain wrong.

Modern pickup makes you look like, act like and ultimately just be a cool guy. Good game doesn't look like game, and I saw that, and I became that.

If you haven't done a proper night out -- go out and do it. It's one of the awesomest experiences of my life.

 

[Infern0]

I think what "game" really is us a set of basic rules to stop AFC noobs from embarrassing themselves.

It stops the rot, and gives some basic success but you do eventually move past the rules as you get more advanced. Once you really understand how things work its different.

Recovering AFC's need the rules because without them they will be overtexting, looking needy, saying stupid **** about relationships on the first date etc. Game gets them out if bad habits, after that its in them to form new, good habits.

 

[Infern0]

Come on guys... there's nothing as thrilling as approaching non-stop. And the high you feel after night out. And taking girl away from a group of 5 huge dudes. And crazy adventures you get from time to time. And feeling high after pulling, and feeling down after brutal heart breaking night out.

Modern pickup doesn't assume that you have no value. Modern pickup doesn't overanlyze minuscule details. Most of the points from this thread are just plain wrong.

Modern pickup makes you look like, act like and ultimately just be a cool guy. Good game doesn't look like game, and I saw that, and I became that.

If you haven't done a proper night out -- go out and do it. It's one of the awesomest experiences of my life.

This is satire, right?

 

[sch]

This is satire, right?

Nope, this is 100% true. There are things like approach high, game high. Every time I return home after night out I feel that I am the happiest man on earth regardless of my results. Part of it is because I am scared ****less to approach. Game is thirilling, messy, dark, brutal, honest, and beautiful, awesome, happy, cool at the same time. That's why I LOVE it.

Listen, there's something very honest and honorable to get out of your place with a sole intention to come back with a women. 99.9% of men are not capable of doing that.

 

[Tenacity]

Listen FOLKS, there is NO such thing as "game". The shyt is a manufactured ploy by PUAs to sell books, programs, and other bullshyt to INSECURE, broke, fat, lazy, men who have not done the work they need on themselves (fix their looks, personality, social skills, and finances) to become attractive.

So game is just the lazy man's way of trying to compete. If you fix your looks, finances, personality, and social skills, then go out and continually MEET WOMEN.....there will be no issue.

The Manosphere is divided up into different camps. You have the DJ side, the PUA side, the MGTOW side, and the MRA side. DO NOT fall for the sales tactics of the PUA side. Do not buy their bootcamps, their books, do not watch their VH1 shows, or any of that stupid fvcking shyt.

Fix your god damn life and go out and continually meet, talk, and date women. You will be FINE. As Donald Trump says, believeeeeee me.

 

[RangerMIke]

What we call "game" is played out. Ch!cks read and look at the internet. They know when you are running a routine. Sober sane women can spot an act a mile away, they are not stupid.

 

[guru1000]

9Volt, I like that you are out here challenging the reverse matrix. We develop these ideas, which transmorphose into beliefs, then gospel--which ultimately creates a prison of our own making.

Best to be fluid, and approach each situation as needed. No two situations will require identical acts. This understanding comes with maturity, keen awareness, and true transcendence of all social constructs--including the red-pill construct.

 

[9Volt]

I think what "game" really is us a set of basic rules to stop AFC noobs from embarrassing themselves.

It stops the rot, and gives some basic success but you do eventually move past the rules as you get more advanced. Once you really understand how things work its different.

Recovering AFC's need the rules because without them they will be overtexting, looking needy, saying stupid **** about relationships on the first date etc. Game gets them out if bad habits, after that its in them to form new, good habits.

That's not "game" it's common sense to not be a needy nitwit.

All "game" does is have dudes approach like a malfunctioning routine robot and tell them if you just "believe" in the religion of "game" and do it "correctly" you can get "any" chick. then if the act doesn't work it's always "your" fault as if reality as in everyones reality and everything around it is somehow "controlled" by you to always get what you want. "game" likes to pick and choose what game is and isn't in any and every circumstance. "game' disregards the chick possibly being interested in you in the first place and putting up with your bizarre pedestalizing till you either drop the act and behave like a normal self confident likeable dude or she drops you for being a pathetic pandering clown.

if "game" were real anyone could use game to get anything and anyone they wanted whenever.

the human race was around long before and will continue on without the religion of "game".

game is a cult religious belief. nothing more. like a brainwashed Amway salesman who believes he's a millionaire while instead investing his life in being a pawn. believers of the religion of game remind me of those insane catholics or any religion that think of themselves as "better" because their religion is "best" and if you don't believe them, believe in their religion you're going to hell, are " no good" or an infidel.

ridiculous.

 

[Urbanyst]

I agree with the OP completely.

No guy should have to put on a clown show to get dates or sex. Being fake is for people who are inferior and trying to overcompensate for it. Instead, try to become superior to others so you can be real.

I support using game when you are very young because it helps you learn. Just know you will ultimately crash and burn once women learn the truth about you. That's ok though. Its a good learning experience for younger man.

After a certain age though, game starts to become kind of sad. Older and wiser people can see through facades a lot easier than young sluts in their late teen's and early 20's.

 

[zekko]

If guys do worse with "game", it's probably because they are coming across as unauthentic, fake.

 

[Mike32ct]

If guys do worse with "game", it's probably because they are coming across as unauthentic, fake.

No doubt. Women can tell that you really don't want their "female opinion" on "who lies more" lol.

But some basic principles from "game" are good. These are just random examples, not an exhaustive list...

1. Don't give a F about rejection
2. Don't seek approval.
3. Don't try to "buy" her with drinks.

I would even venture to say that SOME canned openers can be helpful too, provided that they are YOUR OWN and you feel comfortable using them.

But ultimately, you have to be YOU.

It's the guy who goes "over the top" dressing outrageously, talking excessively loud, approaching everyone in sight, and reading off a long script that we're concerned about. Coming across as fake or tryhard is a problem.

 

[9Volt]

No doubt. Women can tell that you really don't want their "female opinion" on "who lies more" lol.

But some basic principles from "game" are good. These are just random examples, not an exhaustive list...

1. Don't give a F about rejection
2. Don't seek approval.
3. Don't try to "buy" her with drinks.

I would even venture to say that SOME canned openers can be helpful too, provided that they are YOUR OWN and you feel comfortable using them.

But ultimately, you have to be YOU.

It's the guy who goes "over the top" dressing outrageously, talking excessively loud, approaching everyone in sight, and reading off a long script that we're concerned about. Coming across as fake or tryhard is a problem.

Thing is game tells you "don't give a F about rejection" while at the same time telling you everything "you always did wrong" when things don't work out and why you got rejected even if it isn't your fault. In other words conflicting advice of don't give a F about rejection while at the same time giving a F to do everything to prevent it as much as you can.

And then telling dudes to "not seek approval" yet it's exactly what "game" is trying to do in the first place. Seek Approval while you have to brainwash yourself in delusion that you "really aren't seeking approval while going after chicks you already put on a number pedestal 8,9,10 for their approval of you".

Then "game" tells you don't buy women with drinks while you should buy drinks for her but don't buy her anything to eat because you need to "lower her defenses" for "game" to "work better" because women have "hamster brains" yet this same "hamster brain" needs all sorts of scientific game theories and tactics to "overcome" it. It's like saying someone is a retard yet going full retard to out tard them.

No you shouldn't buy chicks drinks. Unless you simply feel like it, conversation is flowing, they don't ask and reciprocate. Not to "buy" them to like you or talk to you. A chick either likes you or she doesn't with or without drinks involved. Yes some want to "loosen" up, but many will take your drink, talk to you a bit and walk off or may like you enough to not give a shyt if you got them a drink and give you their number regardless.

 

[EmotionalGeek]

Lately I feel like many people on this forum try to give most ridiculous advice ever "just be your self". If that worked we wouldn't be here.

 

[Mike32ct]

Thing is game tells you "don't give a F about rejection" while at the same time telling you everything "you always did wrong" when things don't work out and why you got rejected even if it isn't your fault. In other words conflicting advice of don't give a F about rejection while at the same time giving a F to do everything to prevent it as much as you can.

And then telling dudes to "not seek approval" yet it's exactly what "game" is trying to do in the first place. Seek Approval while you have to brainwash yourself in delusion that you "really aren't seeking approval while going after chicks you already put on a number pedestal 8,9,10 for their approval of you".

Then "game" tells you don't buy women with drinks while you should buy drinks for her but don't buy her anything to eat because you need to "lower her defenses" for "game" to "work better" because women have "hamster brains" yet this same "hamster brain" needs all sorts of scientific game theories and tactics to "overcome" it. It's like saying someone is a retard yet going full retard to out tard them.

No you shouldn't buy chicks drinks. Unless you simply feel like it, conversation is flowing, they don't ask and reciprocate. Not to "buy" them to like you or talk to you. A chick either likes you or she doesn't with or without drinks involved. Yes some want to "loosen" up, but many will take your drink, talk to you a bit and walk off or may like you enough to not give a shyt if you got them a drink and give you their number regardless.

No doubt that there are some serious contradictions in PUA theories. That's why I cherry picked a few and ignored others.

My favorite contradiction or conflict of sorts is, "Display higher value" and "Do lots of approaches."

To a point, yes, I think some approaches could possibly help your social "value" because confidence or ballz is a plus. But too many approaches (in the same venue) can make you look tryhard or desperate.

 

[zekko]

Lately I feel like many people on this forum try to give most ridiculous advice ever "just be your self". If that worked we wouldn't be here.

I've explained this before, but this is why I think "Be yourself" is good advice:

When I was younger, I used to freeze up around pretty girls. But put me around a girl I wasn't attracted to, and I would be my normal, funny, relaxed self. I could joke around and talk to them like I did with my male friends. But if a pretty girl entered the group, I'd tense up.

I didn't need to run routines, wear black fingernail poish, or act c0cky/funny. I just needed to relax and let my real personality come through. I needed to quit letting them psych me out and getting so uptight around them. Once I realized what was happening, little by little I was able to act more naturally.

That's what I think people mean by "be yourself".

 

[Mike32ct]

It's also about playing to your strengths. A lot of PUA teachings lean towards gaming groups of women. That might be fine for extroverts. But as an introvert, that's defintely NOT my strength. I found that I did much better talking one on one with a lone wolf (ideal) or possibly two women max. But larger groups were a no go.

 

[Urbanyst]

Lately I feel like many people on this forum try to give most ridiculous advice ever "just be your self". If that worked we wouldn't be here.

You have the read between the lines.

Be yourself, but don't be a loser.

Improve to become attractive. Don't pretend to be attractive.

Game says to be a challenge. BE a challenge, don't pretend to be a challenge. Unavailability is a big turn on. A woman who is over pursued will lose interest.

As some people have said, you have to use your head with this stuff and not take it too literally. You don't have to become some fake, one dimensional, cartoon character.

Problem is, true self improvement takes months if not years. Most people like a quick fix and want things to change overnight. This is why PUA sells desperate men. PUA tells you that you can get results overnight without much work. Just memorize a few lines and wear stupid looking hats.