Want to virtually eliminate flaking? Try this...

[SteveBlaine]

You can never force interest,think about the women you like and don't like,it's nothing they did or didn't do you just like them because you like them.

BackInTheGame78
You claim to bang all these women. Where are you meeting them? Are you a hot guy?
I am sure its not "game" that has you pulling all these women. You are either super hot or very wealthy. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[bigneil]

First off, if I get a number or whatever, I dont start with "Hey its Glassguy. Lets do drinks at 8pm on Thursday at such and such place". I have done that in the past and had FAR worse results.

I have virtually no flakes because I get into a small amount of conversation first. My style is as follows, from an actual convo last week from chick I met up with that later added me on FB:

ME: Hey Hey its Glassguy. Are you working or playing today?
Her: Hey there....I am off today. I work on z,y and z days. What about you?
ME: I work Monday-Friday at my business. Bankers hours....
HER: What do you do?
ME: I own a _______ business. You?
HER: I am a ________. So what made you decide to take my number?
ME: You have a cute look and I decided to see if you had some brains to match it. Can you hold a conversation?
Her: Yes...duh lol.

At this point of this actual conversation I STOPPED.

2 hours later:

Her: So why dont you tell me more about yourself?
ME: I would love to but I am super busy at work the rest of the day. Lets keep the particulars for when we meet up. Lets meet up at _____ Thursday at 8pm.
HER: Sounds good.....I will see you there. My cell number is ___________.

We met up last Thursday night for drinks and a replay this Thursday night.

Not sure why you think this is putting a lot of work into it.

The girls who I ended up in relationships with typically have a LONG text conversation early on. This is ok as long as none of your 100 texts lower her interest level (easy to do). The key is being able to raise her interest with texting. Can you be a master story teller? Nothing keeps a person's interest like it, and it's a long lost art. One essential is to write fluent English - nothing abbreviated. She should do the same. I had another gorgeous girl blow it by saying "I love u".

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You can never force interest,think about the women you like and don't like,it's nothing they did or didn't do you just like them because you like them.

Ahh, but that's where too many people don't get it, especially if you are meeting from OLD...

The initial interest they show is not a very good indicator of their actual interest if you would actually meet in person... The only true way to gauge interest is in person. The same way they can think they'd really like a guy when they meet and within 5 minutes of meeting they have no attraction works in reverse as well...

So if you are skilled in person the ONLY goal you should have is in getting them to meet you out. And to get them to meet you out, it's far more effective when you don't "go ghost".

 

[BackInTheGame78]

BackInTheGame78
You claim to bang all these women. Where are you meeting them? Are you a hot guy?
I am sure its not "game" that has you pulling all these women. You are either super hot or very wealthy. Correct me if I am wrong.

I'm meeting most of them online, I kill it online...shooting fish in a barrel.

I'm neither but I am very muscular and in shape. I'm not poor, I'm just not rich either. Looks I'm probably a 6, factor in the body and maybe a 7, but some women seem to think I'm like a 8 or 9, so that could be part of it as well...if a woman really likes a nice body on a guy, perhaps that is enough to have them ignore other things

 

[RangerMIke]

First off, if I get a number or whatever, I dont start with "Hey its Glassguy. Lets do drinks at 8pm on Thursday at such and such place". I have done that in the past and had FAR worse results.

I have virtually no flakes because I get into a small amount of conversation first. My style is as follows, from an actual convo last week from chick I met up with that later added me on FB:

ME: Hey Hey its Glassguy. Are you working or playing today?
Her: Hey there....I am off today. I work on z,y and z days. What about you?
ME: I work Monday-Friday at my business. Bankers hours....
HER: What do you do?
ME: I own a _______ business. You?
HER: I am a ________. So what made you decide to take my number?
ME: You have a cute look and I decided to see if you had some brains to match it. Can you hold a conversation?
Her: Yes...duh lol.

At this point of this actual conversation I STOPPED.

2 hours later:

Her: So why dont you tell me more about yourself?
ME: I would love to but I am super busy at work the rest of the day. Lets keep the particulars for when we meet up. Lets meet up at _____ Thursday at 8pm.
HER: Sounds good.....I will see you there. My cell number is ___________.

We met up last Thursday night for drinks and a replay this Thursday night.

Not sure why you think this is putting a lot of work into it.

Funny. What you may not realize is all that texting was pointless. She was already interested in you. If you had just asked her out, she would have said yes. Don't let the fact that this texting silliness works now and again fool you, you already had a woman that was interested in you. You can not create interest where none existed. You can build interest by acting like a man, but she has to be attracted, I don't know ANY women that are attracted to texting.

 

[SteveBlaine]

I'm meeting most of them online, I kill it online...shooting fish in a barrel.

I'm neither but I am very muscular and in shape. I'm not poor, I'm just not rich either. Looks I'm probably a 6, factor in the body and maybe a 7, but some women seem to think I'm like a 8 or 9, so that could be part of it as well...if a woman really likes a nice body on a guy, perhaps that is enough to have them ignore other things

I used to get laid a lot with online dating. I was in my 30s back then. Now than Im in my late 40's I meet a ton of women and my lays have gone down.
Out of 30 women I might bed about 10 of them. I am athletic, attractive, clean cut, type. I am lifting weights now and putting on some more muscle.
The last 5 dates were busts. 2 of them I wasn't into and I ended the date. The other three I was sure I going to get laid according to their flirty, sexual texts they were sending me before the date. But women are stupid. I always tell them to stop that BS until we meet first.
And of course when we met----the spark wasn't there. I still would have nailed them. One was a b*tch and said I had chicken legs. I told her she had fat elephant legs. She was arrogant. She was slamming gin and tonics like a drunk. Just didnt like her arrogant personality. I walked out on here and left her with the bar tab. Some dates are just plain ugly. Other times I connect tightly with a woman and have sex.

Nowadays--I am not looking to have a good time such as bowling, concert, wine tastings. I just want to flirt with them and then screw them.
I size them up in 5 minutes of meeting with lots of hand holding and touching. If the vibe is there I ask them back to my place. If it isn't I walk out.
ONLINE women are time wasters. Many just want to drink and laugh and want to have fun. Forget that!

 

[Glassguy]

Funny. What you may not realize is all that texting was pointless. She was already interested in you. If you had just asked her out, she would have said yes. Don't let the fact that this texting silliness works now and again fool you, you already had a woman that was interested in you. You can not create interest where none existed. You can build interest by acting like a man, but she has to be attracted, I don't know ANY women that are attracted to texting.

I do just fine with it. No need for me to change

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Funny. What you may not realize is all that texting was pointless. She was already interested in you. If you had just asked her out, she would have said yes. Don't let the fact that this texting silliness works now and again fool you, you already had a woman that was interested in you. You can not create interest where none existed. You can build interest by acting like a man, but she has to be attracted, I don't know ANY women that are attracted to texting.

The goal isn't to "build interest" via texting. The goal is to get her to meet you out. She has no "real" idea if she is interested in you or not until she actually meets you in person. The goal is to get her on a date with you so you can give her no choice but to be attracted to you.

And again. The odds increase greatly that she will meet you out if you don't "go ghost". At least if you do things properly.

 

[EyeBRollin]

You guys just don't get it. No amount of texting will raise her interest level. She's either going to show or she won't. Chicks that flake do you a favor.

Stop wasting your time.

 

[EyeBRollin]

And again. The odds increase greatly that she will meet you out if you don't "go ghost". At least if you do things properly.

This is just flat out wrong. Texting before the date does not help your chances.

 

[RangerMIke]

I do just fine with it. No need for me to change

Great you must have pretty good game... good for you. But never fvcking believe your texting BS has anything to do with your success. That sh!t is just pure serendipity.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You guys just don't get it. No amount of texting will raise her interest level. She's either going to show or she won't. Chicks that flake do you a favor.

Stop wasting your time.

Again, the goal isn't to raise her interest level. She has no fvcking clue WHAT her interest level actually is until she meets you. The goal is to get her to meet you in person.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

This is just flat out wrong. Texting before the date does not help your chances.

Bullsh!t.

This is "I read something from "experts" advice versus real world tested advice.

 

[RangerMIke]

The goal isn't to "build interest" via texting. The goal is to get her to meet you out. She has no "real" idea if she is interested in you or not until she actually meets you in person. The goal is to get her on a date with you so you can give her no choice but to be attracted to you.

And again. The odds increase greatly that she will meet you out if you don't "go ghost". At least if you do things properly.

Nope you are wrong my friend if you are anywhere near people there are at a minimum 100 single chicks within anormal easy driving distance... and this is worst case.

Your job as a man isn't to fvcking get them on a date... your job is to find the ones that are really interested in you... because these are the girls that are the most fun. Jesus FVCKING Christ it is easy to get a girl to agree to let you spend money on her.

These low interest b!tches will fvcking drain your bank account. Because it is better than being alone.

Do not waste even a second of time on a woman that is un-willing to put forth real effort to be with you. Period.

Man you have no fvcking idea how easily you can get women if you just STOP CHASING THEM. No stupid texting BS... no games... you make an offer (a date) and if she turns you down FVCK HER, don't be a d!ck just move on to other women.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Nope you are wrong my friend if you are anywhere near people there are at a minimum 100 single chicks within anormal easy driving distance... and this is worst case.

Your job as a man isn't to fvcking get them on a date... your job is to find the ones that are really interested in you... because these are the girls that are the most fun. Jesus FVCKING Christ it is easy to get a girl to agree to let you spend money on her.

These low interest b!tches will fvcking drain your bank account. Because it is better than being alone.

Do not waste even a second of time on a woman that is un-willing to put forth real effort to be with you. Period.

Man you have no fvcking idea how easily you can get women if you just STOP CHASING THEM. No stupid texting BS... no games... you make an offer (a date) and if she turns you down FVCK HER, don't be a d!ck just move on to other women.

Except that isn't what happens. I'm not chasing them. You can't get it through your head that communicating with people doesn't mean you are chasing. How the hell can I be chasing these chicks when I am banging 5 on a regular rotational basis? I don't have TIME to be chasing anyone even if I wanted to be. In fact, there are plenty of times where they are double or triple texting me because I take hours to respond because I am busy. I ask them out, they accept. They let me know to tell them when I have free time and they make it work around my schedule. That's chasing? How did I get to this point? By getting them out on a first date. By not paying attention to what I "should" be doing and by doing what actually works for me, and likely would work for a lot of other people who keep having these issues.

Half of these "flakes" happen because the women think you've lost interest or aren't going to show so they protect themselves by scheduling with someone else. People are in fantasyland thinking these women are just going to sit around and wait for you when they have guys texting them and messaging them all the damn time and they have never met you. Am I texting them constantly all day long? Hell no. But I am texting them enough to know that I am actually interested in meeting her, and that I plan on meeting them, not leaving them wondering if I am still going to show or not. Will women who are highly interested reach out to you? Yes, usually, but many of them won't...and somehow that is supposed to mean they automatically aren't interested? GTFO of here with that BS...this is that old school mentality that just doesn't work today.

I continue texting off and on until we end up meeting up. Sometimes depending on how many dates I have lined up and how busy I am, it might be a week later. Doesn't matter. My method works, for me. Maybe it's something specific I am doing or the vibe I give off or that I am really good at texting. I don't know. All i know is that my success both getting women out and fvcking women that I am meeting has skyrocketed since I have started doing this.

And my track record of me fvcking women spending under $20 on them from the time I meet them until I fvck them is pretty damn good. I usually don't drink on dates because it's go time from a training standpoint and my trainer has nixed alcohol for the next 3-4 months, so I typically buy them a drink. Sometimes they buy their own and I don't pay a dime, even though I offer, sometimes they refuse. At times they look at me a little weird as to why I'm not drinking but I laugh and just explain that it's not in the cards from a training standpoint and they are usually fine with it. Sometimes we laugh about me drinking water at a bar...they obviously can tell I am not lying about training because they can see muscles busting through my shirt, so it's pretty easy to believe. Really I just don't give a damn if they believe it or not, my training at this point in the year is of more importance than whether a chick thinks I'm "cool" because I have a drink...I could give a damn, and they recognize it and apparently they like it.

Maybe you just need to have better game in person and stop preaching "expert" methods that work on a very limited basis for a very few.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

There is one piece of advice that I have tried and tried to follow but have had mediocre at best results while doing it. And that is "going ghost" from the time you set the date until the actual date.

Like everything else, it's a balancing act. Not ghost, and not being a her beckoned call either.

At least between dates 1-4, electronic communication should really be kept to a minimum, mostly logistical arranging dates, with a bit of banter thrown in to keep things light. Maybe half a dozen texts between dates, depending how much she's contacting you.

Until you sleep together, you are basically just another schmuck on her contact list; she's not treating you any differently to most other guys, therefore she deserves no special measures of her own. Friendly and polite is all that is needed. Arrange dates/meetings once a week.

Most of us know what over-texting looks like:



This is the reason the idea of 'going ghost' came about. It's a simple reaction to 'Lucy's' admirer (stalker). Don't be this guy.

Until such time as you've had half a dozen dates and you've slept together, and, she is initiating 80% of the contact, there's no reason to treat her as anything other than a casual acquaintance, because that's essentially all she is.

After this time, you might up the contact to half a dozen messages over 24 hours, again that are mostly initiated by her. At this stage, you should also have a fairly good idea that you'll be seeing her again within days, because she is either openly offering you out herself or giving you the keys to her personal schedule.

 

[SteveBlaine]

Except that isn't what happens. I'm not chasing them. You can't get it through your head that communicating with people doesn't mean you are chasing. How the hell can I be chasing these chicks when I am banging 5 on a regular rotational basis? I don't have TIME to be chasing anyone even if I wanted to be. In fact, there are plenty of times where they are double or triple texting me because I take hours to respond because I am busy. I ask them out, they accept. They let me know to tell them when I have free time and they make it work around my schedule. That's chasing? How did I get to this point? By getting them out on a first date. By not paying attention to what I "should" be doing and by doing what actually works for me, and likely would work for a lot of other people who keep having these issues.

Half of these "flakes" happen because the women think you've lost interest or aren't going to show so they protect themselves by scheduling with someone else. People are in fantasyland thinking these women are just going to sit around and wait for you when they have guys texting them and messaging them all the damn time and they have never met you. Am I texting them constantly all day long? Hell no. But I am texting them enough to know that I am actually interested in meeting her, and that I plan on meeting them, not leaving them wondering if I am still going to show or not. Will women who are highly interested reach out to you? Yes, usually, but many of them won't...and somehow that is supposed to mean they automatically aren't interested? GTFO of here with that BS...this is that old school mentality that just doesn't work today.

I continue texting off and on until we end up meeting up. Sometimes depending on how many dates I have lined up and how busy I am, it might be a week later. Doesn't matter. My method works, for me. Maybe it's something specific I am doing or the vibe I give off or that I am really good at texting. I don't know. All i know is that my success both getting women out and fvcking women that I am meeting has skyrocketed since I have started doing this.

And my track record of me fvcking women spending under $20 on them from the time I meet them until I fvck them is pretty damn good. I usually don't drink on dates because it's go time from a training standpoint and my trainer has nixed alcohol for the next 3-4 months, so I typically buy them a drink. Sometimes they buy their own and I don't pay a dime, even though I offer, sometimes they refuse. At times they look at me a little weird as to why I'm not drinking but I laugh and just explain that it's not in the cards from a training standpoint and they are usually fine with it. Sometimes we laugh about me drinking water at a bar...they obviously can tell I am not lying about training because they can see muscles busting through my shirt, so it's pretty easy to believe. Really I just don't give a damn if they believe it or not, my training at this point in the year is of more importance than whether a chick thinks I'm "cool" because I have a drink...I could give a damn, and they recognize it and apparently they like it.

Maybe you just need to have better game in person and stop preaching "expert" methods that work on a very limited basis for a very few.

I find it hard to believe you are banging 5 chicks. I am hot---and even in college I wasn't banging 5 chicks and I have game.
Either the women are dog ugly or you are super hot. Post a photo.

 

[fastlife]

@BackInTheGame78 Cosign 100%.

I've gone on record, and I'll say it again: You do not EXIST to a girl until AFTER you've slept with her. She's not disrespecting you; she's not low interest--You just don't exist. (Unless she's part of your social circle or interacts with you on a regular basis).

Given the fact you don't exist--and that hot, young girls are bombarded with electronic stimuli & romantic offers & aren't all that 'focused' to begin with--you have to do what it takes to stay on her radar a little bit. It's not like the old days where you could get her number and she'd be waiting to hear back from you (since she didn't have widespread access to cool guys); it's not like the old days where people kept dates weeks in advance, since they didn't have 5 invites in their text inboxes.

I don't do OLD; but from cold approaching IRL, I know that if i don't pull for a SNL my best shot of seeing them again at all, even if they were really, really into me the night before--is a meetup the very next day (which usually involves texting throughout the day). If I can't make the next day happen, I know I have to text them every now & then until I have the opportunity to pitch another meetup. I know that sometimes I'll have to double, triple text girls before they respond (obviously spread out a couple days/weeks).

But what a lot of guys don't get is that for girls you barely know to feel comfortable meeting up with you, YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE YOUR PERSONALITY. Texting isn't the ideal medium & girls who don't respond make that medium even tougher, BUT it's what you have to work with and going straight for a meetup & then going ghost is a low probability play (even for girls who are interested--they just don't have enough to work with).

 

[Roober]

It is certainly a mixed bag. Something I have noticed is that women are all over the place. Some seem interested, but disappear. Others don't seem interested, then come on strong. Every situation is different and needs to be treated that way.

For example, talked to two girls recently, went for number right away with both (within first 10 texts)... I usually go with "I am not much for texts" and set up a date or go for number...

1. "Wow, your fast. Let me give you number and we can chat for a bit and maybe meet up next week" - gave me the number and has texted a little bit
2. "Sure... here is is my number" - Called her last night for 5 minis, and meeting her tonight. I have a great radio voice, so I may start calling women I am attempting to get a date with.

These are two replies from two completely different women with two completely different sets of expectations and experiences coming into the situation. They both know the same about me, from my OLD profile, maybe less if they didn't read. Asking for the number or date right away has usually 2 results, convo dies, or she says yes. I don't think it is indicative of anything at this point. She is basing her interest off a couple pics and a couple texts. She knows nothing about you. It basically boils down to a woman's personal comfort level, which I am still trying to dissect. I am willing to bet the same ones that blow me off after I quickly ask would do the same to anyone. They want MORE before the meetup. So an aggressive approach will be a turnoff...

TLDR: the amount you text a woman before having a date varies incredibly. read her vibe (or profile)!

 

[Roober]

@BackInTheGame78 Cosign 100%.

I've gone on record, and I'll say it again: You do not EXIST to a girl until AFTER you've slept with her. She's not disrespecting you; she's not low interest--You just don't exist. (Unless she's part of your social circle or interacts with you on a regular basis).

Given the fact you don't exist--and that hot, young girls are bombarded with electronic stimuli & romantic offers & aren't all that 'focused' to begin with--you have to do what it takes to stay on her radar a little bit. It's not like the old days where you could get her number and she'd be waiting to hear back from you (since she didn't have widespread access to cool guys); it's not like the old days where people kept dates weeks in advance, since they didn't have 5 invites in their text inboxes.

I don't do OLD; but from cold approaching IRL, I know that if i don't pull for a SNL my best shot of seeing them again at all, even if they were really, really into me the night before--is a meetup the very next day (which usually involves texting throughout the day). If I can't make the next day happen, I know I have to text them every now & then until I have the opportunity to pitch another meetup. I know that sometimes I'll have to double, triple text girls before they respond (obviously spread out a couple days/weeks).

But what a lot of guys don't get is that for girls you barely know to feel comfortable meeting up with you, YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE YOUR PERSONALITY. Texting isn't the ideal medium & girls who don't respond make that medium even tougher, BUT it's what you have to work with and going straight for a meetup & then going ghost is a low probability play (even for girls who are interested--they just don't have enough to work with).

This is basically it in a nutshell. and I am aweful at texting...