Are we meant to have 1 Woman as a Life Partner??

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My post is pretty long. Because most of the married couples I know have been together for a long time (due to the age of my peer group) most of the married couples I know well honestly seem to really be more happy. I'd say 75% appear happy as opposed to content but of course it is impossible to really know as an outsider looking in, and some of that may also be personality differences.
I was a happy married...

Here are some circumstances I routinely observe that turn out great marriages:

1. School sweethearts who marry and bond and grow through life together. They are often the same age or very close in age. I know at least 20 couples like this, including 2 of my sisters and my high school best girlfriend. I might know more than that if I sat and really thought hard about it. These are couples who generally have similar backgrounds and fell in love with each other before the men had resources to really offer and while the woman was still young and pretty innocent. In other words their accomplishments in life were mere potential at the time they got together. 75% of these couples I would generally classify as happy and the other 25% as content, but how that appears has much to do with people's personalities. These couples seem to genuinely LIKE one another and they are best friends as well as spouses. I'm older than some here so most are my age, although one couple is in their early 20's just starting out. All appear to be going strong although all have been through tough things in life and come out together and often stronger. A common thread is the woman shows respect and deference to the man; the man finds the woman charming.
The wife still can "lead" from underneath the husband. But she never diminishes his viewpoint as a man and wearing the pants.

The very young couple is an interesting illustration. I've said on other threads that the "best" women may get paired off early with the son of someone her parents know. Sort of joked about how my friends and I kid about setting up our children and how we are actually kind of serious. It does happen. This couple is a perfect example of that. She is thin & very beautiful, very smart and very sweet. He is handsome and working toward taking a lead role in his family's business. As "All American" as a couple can get. Her parents are my neighbors two doors down in one direction; his parents are my neighbors across the street & 4 doors down in the other direction. The families have known each other for decades and have each gently encouraged this union. They dated throughout high school and college, marrying shortly after college graduation. They presently have a 9 month old and full support of both families. Both sets of parents have been married more than 40 years themselves.
I always thought the Indian model made sense. If the families know each other and get along that eliminates a lot of problems. People don't understand you can learn to love someone and it grows over time. The way we do it here by basing off of the strongest attraction isn't necessarily the best way to secure a long term mate. A lot more than attraction goes into it.

2. Couples like you describe @Roober (who in some cases I am not sure how they met) where the man is a little older and the woman a little younger. Often they share similar interests and passions together (golfing, bridge, real estate, outdoors) and at times may be in business together. I know many couples like this, can't say for sure how many because I know so many. Some are retirement age, some are younger than I am, but not by much (perhaps late 30's) and many seem pleased to be together. One of my real estate brokers was on the phone today discussing his 50th wedding anniversary plans (which he was observably excited about) with a buddy of his. I do find that most of the men lead and most of the women defer. And the men tend to be benevolent in their leadership too, they are not d!cks or @ssholes. They do not need to be.
How much of shared interests do you say these couple shave?


3. Couples who are re-married after having been divorced or lost a spouse. Many here would say (and I tend to agree) that widows/widowers are the more consistently quality component as a whole within this group. My own grandmother was married to her high school sweetheart who died in his early 40's from cancer. After 18 years as a widow she married again and remained in her second marriage until his death in his 80's. But that is not to say that divorced people are never quality people. Marriages fail for all sorts of reasons and the downfall usually has more to do with the actions (or inactions) of one spouse more than the other (e.g. the party who cheated, the party who got lazy, the party who became obese, the party who was the abuser or the addict or the alcoholic, etc. or had some behavior that led to the unravelling of the union.)
Were not always divorced because it was "our fault" sometimes it was bad and we hanged in there as long as we could. Other times we were young and stupid and made a mistake. You can learn to appreciate something better when you LOSE it... So a divorced marrier may be a better spouse if they learned their lesson.

Couples who have both been through divorce seem best able to understand what a divorce is like. The people successful in second unions also have often learned from the first marriage almost without exception.

More than 2 marriages has to be a huge red flag I would think. Man or woman this would appear to indicate an inability to qualify a potential partner.
Could be. It could be they chose people that were bad for them, or perhaps they themselves had issues such as infidelity, selfishness, etc.

Interestingly I only know 1 married couple personally where the man is substantially older or younger than the woman. The greatest age gap I see is about 10 years give or take a year or two except for one couple I know where it is more of a 25 year gap. As you might predict the man is a multimillionaire in his 60's and his Italian national wife is in her 30's (and had his children). She is pretty and charming and from a wealthy Italian family. As is well known wealthy gentlemen do not lack for choices as they have high SMV.
How many of these 10 years age gaps and are any of these where the man is considered a "stud" like a Brad Pitt or similar phisod married to a lady 10 years younger, you respects and desires him for his physical image and very attracted to him? I'm not interested in the "sugar daddy" arrangement where she is with him mostly for capital. A guy or even female 10 years older can be a physical specimen attractive across a wide range of ages with plenty of experience to offer.

What I find interesting about all the successful married couples I know is that they are proud they are married, and proud they have remained married. Because the divorce rate is 50% give or take (and that is FIRST marriages) it is almost a status thing if you are happy. It's kind of a "See! I picked a winner!" type pride.

So those are some of my own field observations for what it is worth.
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My post is pretty long. Because most of the married couples I know have been together for a long time (due to the age of my peer group) most of the married couples I know well honestly seem to really be more happy. I'd say 75% appear happy as opposed to content but of course it is impossible to really know as an outsider looking in, and some of that may also be personality differences.

Here are some circumstances I routinely observe that turn out great marriages:

1. School sweethearts who marry and bond and grow through life together. They are often the same age or very close in age. I know at least 20 couples like this, including 2 of my sisters and my high school best girlfriend. I might know more than that if I sat and really thought hard about it. These are couples who generally have similar backgrounds and fell in love with each other before the men had resources to really offer and while the woman was still young and pretty innocent. In other words their accomplishments in life were mere potential at the time they got together. 75% of these couples I would generally classify as happy and the other 25% as content, but how that appears has much to do with people's personalities. These couples seem to genuinely LIKE one another and they are best friends as well as spouses. I'm older than some here so most are my age, although one couple is in their early 20's just starting out. All appear to be going strong although all have been through tough things in life and come out together and often stronger. A common thread is the woman shows respect and deference to the man; the man finds the woman charming.

The very young couple is an interesting illustration. I've said on other threads that the "best" women may get paired off early with the son of someone her parents know. Sort of joked about how my friends and I kid about setting up our children and how we are actually kind of serious. It does happen. This couple is a perfect example of that. She is thin & very beautiful, very smart and very sweet. He is handsome and working toward taking a lead role in his family's business. As "All American" as a couple can get. Her parents are my neighbors two doors down in one direction; his parents are my neighbors across the street & 4 doors down in the other direction. The families have known each other for decades and have each gently encouraged this union. They dated throughout high school and college, marrying shortly after college graduation. They presently have a 9 month old and full support of both families. Both sets of parents have been married more than 40 years themselves.

2. Couples like you describe @Roober (who in some cases I am not sure how they met) where the man is a little older and the woman a little younger. Often they share similar interests and passions together (golfing, bridge, real estate, outdoors) and at times may be in business together. I know many couples like this, can't say for sure how many because I know so many. Some are retirement age, some are younger than I am, but not by much (perhaps late 30's) and many seem pleased to be together. One of my real estate brokers was on the phone today discussing his 50th wedding anniversary plans (which he was observably excited about) with a buddy of his. I do find that most of the men lead and most of the women defer. And the men tend to be benevolent in their leadership too, they are not d!cks or @ssholes. They do not need to be.

3. Couples who are re-married after having been divorced or lost a spouse. Many here would say (and I tend to agree) that widows/widowers are the more consistently quality component as a whole within this group. My own grandmother was married to her high school sweetheart who died in his early 40's from cancer. After 18 years as a widow she married again and remained in her second marriage until his death in his 80's. But that is not to say that divorced people are never quality people. Marriages fail for all sorts of reasons and the downfall usually has more to do with the actions (or inactions) of one spouse more than the other (e.g. the party who cheated, the party who got lazy, the party who became obese, the party who was the abuser or the addict or the alcoholic, etc. or had some behavior that led to the unravelling of the union.)

Couples who have both been through divorce seem best able to understand what a divorce is like. The people successful in second unions also have often learned from the first marriage almost without exception.

More than 2 marriages has to be a huge red flag I would think. Man or woman this would appear to indicate an inability to qualify a potential partner.

Interestingly I only know 1 married couple personally where the man is substantially older or younger than the woman. The greatest age gap I see is about 10 years give or take a year or two except for one couple I know where it is more of a 25 year gap. As you might predict the man is a multimillionaire in his 60's and his Italian national wife is in her 30's (and had his children). She is pretty and charming and from a wealthy Italian family. As is well known wealthy gentlemen do not lack for choices as they have high SMV.

What I find interesting about all the successful married couples I know is that they are proud they are married, and proud they have remained married. Because the divorce rate is 50% give or take (and that is FIRST marriages) it is almost a status thing if you are happy. It's kind of a "See! I picked a winner!" type pride.

So those are some of my own field observations for what it is worth.
I would definitely agree with the lasting marriages/LTR part...

1. The very young couple is definitely one which can survive the ages. I think this is predominantly due to "incompetent incompetence". They don't know what they don't know! I know a couple who has been together since middle school, had kids very young, struggled mightily... However, they pushed through it, their kids are now older, and got married two years ago... Been together over 20 years... they don't know what life is like with other people outside of their comfort zone... On one side, you could see this as "they know how to make a relationship work". On the flip side, you could compare it to success in life. You don't learn unless you fail...

2. Age gap but similar interests and personalities. This could definitely bridge the age gap if they share common interests. And I am not talking someone that picks up new interests, but share interests from the outset.

It is almost like the problematic relationships that struggle are ones when people have dabbled in multiple options. They know there are many more options and can trade in their existing car for a brand new shiny one. When people have been in multiple relationships, you really have to have a complete mindset shift to understand that there are compromises in relationships and you are not going to like everything about that person. It is a tricky balance to keep both individuals happy and successful. In this throwaway culture, relationships are just something else to replace when it gets old. I am guessing people hit this point later in their 30's, when they understand what they want out of a partner, and realize the importance of compromise...
 

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Why is there a woman so dedicated to a men's site? No offense, but it's ironic a woman is giving advice in a place lIke this.
Thank you! Someone finally sees it...I seriously thought this place was turning into cuckold central. Just her screen name says something...can nobody see that!

For a while I thought I was in the twilight zone, and we were in my old workplace, where women rule and men drool and men ultimately fail, per the "feminist clicque".
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Thank you! Someone finally sees it...I seriously thought this place was turning into cuckold central. Just her screen name says something...can nobody see that!

For a while I thought I was in the twilight zone, and we were in my old workplace, where women rule and men drool and men ultimately fail, per the "feminist clicque".
No man gets out unscathed.
Yeah I don't know if it's really a female or some dude or whatever. I tend to read over her posts.. I learned a long time ago never to take advice from women about women. They try to give logical advice when it's all about the emotions you can trigger in them, hence their advice is useless.

Anyway don't you all crave new pvssy after a while? That's really as simple as I can make this question.
 

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Yeah I don't know if it's really a female or some dude or whatever. I tend to read over her posts.. I learned a long time ago never to take advice from women about women. They try to give logical advice when it's all about the emotions you can trigger in them, hence their advice is useless.

Anyway don't you all crave new pvssy after a while? That's really as simple as I can make this question.
I don't... I've had some I work years in every day, becomes like a well worn catchers mitt, perfectly accomidated to your man tool, your stroke, your touch, etc. I like "good" pvssy, but not necessarily "new" pvssy.
 

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1. School sweethearts who marry and bond and grow through life together.
2. Couples like you describe @Roober (who in some cases I am not sure how they met) where the man is a little older and the woman a little younger.
This is why I push for the men here (who want a successful LTR) to go looking in the 18-23 age group. You get the best of both worlds when you find a suitable companion in this range. It's not about meeting them in high school or the age difference, it's about women being much easier to pair-bond with.

I place a lot of the blame of women not being pair-bondable to the riding of the c0ck carousel. The top of their high score list gets filled, dating creates consistent disappointments in men who cannot meet the gratifications of those in her earlier years, and she jumps from man to man for the purpose of attention and sex instead of companionship.

3. Couples who are re-married after having been divorced or lost a spouse.
I think there's a lot more at play with this situation. Some of it could be out of desperation, some could be due to the man at the top of her high score list being permanently lost, and some could be dependent on when she met her first husband. If she lost her virginity to her first husband, then she obviously hasn't been riding the c0ck carousel and is still very pair-bondable.

I really do believe that men are the most adaptable when it comes to being committed. They can fvck 200 women and can still settle down with one woman. Women, sadly, are not so adaptable.
 

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This is why I push for the men here (who want a successful LTR) to go looking in the 18-23 age group. You get the best of both worlds when you find a suitable companion in this range. It's not about meeting them in high school or the age difference, it's about women being much easier to pair-bond with.

I place a lot of the blame of women not being pair-bondable to the riding of the c0ck carousel. The top of their high score list gets filled, dating creates consistent disappointments in men who cannot meet the gratifications of those in her earlier years, and she jumps from man to man for the purpose of attention and sex instead of companionship.



I think there's a lot more at play with this situation. Some of it could be out of desperation, some could be due to the man at the top of her high score list being permanently lost, and some could be dependent on when she met her first husband. If she lost her virginity to her first husband, then she obviously hasn't been riding the c0ck carousel and is still very pair-bondable.

I really do believe that men are the most adaptable when it comes to being committed. They can fvck 200 women and can still settle down with one woman. Women, sadly, are not so adaptable.

First two paragraphs are gold. You see it everywhere especially in online dating sites like pof. I can literally gauge how jaded a woman is from the context of her bio and her body language in her photos.
 

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Thank you! Someone finally sees it...I seriously thought this place was turning into cuckold central. Just her screen name says something...can nobody see that!

For a while I thought I was in the twilight zone, and we were in my old workplace, where women rule and men drool and men ultimately fail, per the "feminist clicque".
No man gets out unscathed.
Unfortunately any space that's supposed to be for men will have some woman/en who "feels" that she belongs there. I don't have anything personal against her and other women here but they are stroking their own egos passing out there feminine relationship advice here. I also don't like how guys on here act white knightish towards them. I'm not here to have a casual conversation with a woman, I'm here to be shaped and sharpened by other men, the only ones who can truly understand.
 

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I don't... I've had some I work years in every day, becomes like a well worn catchers mitt, perfectly accomidated to your man tool, your stroke, your touch, etc. I like "good" pvssy, but not necessarily "new" pvssy.
Well I guess you're proof that it is possible to mentally commit sexually to one. I think I might just be obsessed with the challenge of seducing women... but I honestly do want to try different flavors every now and again. Yet I still want one woman to be committed and faithful to me.

This is why I push for the men here (who want a successful LTR) to go looking in the 18-23 age group. You get the best of both worlds when you find a suitable companion in this range. It's not about meeting them in high school or the age difference, it's about women being much easier to pair-bond with.

I place a lot of the blame of women not being pair-bondable to the riding of the c0ck carousel. The top of their high score list gets filled, dating creates consistent disappointments in men who cannot meet the gratifications of those in her earlier years, and she jumps from man to man for the purpose of attention and sex instead of companionship.



I think there's a lot more at play with this situation. Some of it could be out of desperation, some could be due to the man at the top of her high score list being permanently lost, and some could be dependent on when she met her first husband. If she lost her virginity to her first husband, then she obviously hasn't been riding the c0ck carousel and is still very pair-bondable.

I really do believe that men are the most adaptable when it comes to being committed. They can fvck 200 women and can still settle down with one woman. Women, sadly, are not so adaptable.
Des 2 questions on the "finding the 18-23 year old age group"

1. We are about the same age... wouldn't most girls see us as "old" and thus this would be difficult?
2. Since being young means you don't have a lot of experience (or as much) wouldn't there be a higher risk they may cheat on you in the future? Like they have that feeling of more curiosity what someone else would be like?

Biological no, I thought this was common sense?
So then the deeper question is, are we supposed to resist this biological urge?
 

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1. We are about the same age... wouldn't most girls see us as "old" and thus this would be difficult?
Women will only see you as "old" if you act like you're old. If you can actually get them feeling attracted to you, they won't give a damn about how old you are.

2. Since being young means you don't have a lot of experience (or as much) wouldn't there be a higher risk they may cheat on you in the future? Like they have that feeling of more curiosity what someone else would be like?
I believe that men are more pre-disposed to have that desire. Women have the need and desire to find "that one guy". The movie industry makes a 5hit ton of money off that desire. I believe it's naturally built into the woman's brain. The thing is, they're only going to find one or possibly two men in their lifetime who would fit the bill.

You have to remember that all of this isn't happening consciously. They are completely unaware that their brains are doing this. Even after they find that one guy who they fall uncontrollably and deeply in love with (and don't stay with), they continue to search for Mr. Right. THAT is when they will easily cheat. They've already found Mr. Right who has now gone missing, and they're searching for his replacement. They never find a replacement for him. They might settle for something "good enough" when their biological clock is ticking, but he's only a sperm donor to her.

If you can get yourself at the top of her high score list, she won't leave you.
 

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Women will only see you as "old" if you act like you're old. If you can actually get them feeling attracted to you, they won't give a damn about how old you are.



I believe that men are more pre-disposed to have that desire. Women have the need and desire to find "that one guy". The movie industry makes a 5hit ton of money off that desire. I believe it's naturally built into the woman's brain. The thing is, they're only going to find one or possibly two men in their lifetime who would fit the bill.

You have to remember that all of this isn't happening consciously. They are completely unaware that their brains are doing this. Even after they find that one guy who they fall uncontrollably and deeply in love with (and don't stay with), they continue to search for Mr. Right. THAT is when they will easily cheat. They've already found Mr. Right who has now gone missing, and they're searching for his replacement. They never find a replacement for him. They might settle for something "good enough" when their biological clock is ticking, but he's only a sperm donor to her.

If you can get yourself at the top of her high score list, she won't leave you.
I read your post about High Score Theory on your blog and weren't both examples you gave of women who had you at the top of their list ones that ultimately dumped you?
 

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I read your post about High Score Theory on your blog and weren't both examples you gave of women who had you at the top of their list ones that ultimately dumped you?
Yes they were.

One of them has been on and off pursuing me for the last 15 years and I keep turning her down. The other has been single since we broke up 4 years ago.

Women follow what they feel in the moment. If she has a sudden (and unknowingly brief) interest in someone else, she may end up pursuing that person. Just because a man is at the top of a woman's high score theory, it doesn't mean she's going to stay 100% devoted to him all the time. Being at the top means you have a better chance of having a loyal woman.
 

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Women will only see you as "old" if you act like you're old. If you can actually get them feeling attracted to you, they won't give a damn about how old you are.



I believe that men are more pre-disposed to have that desire. Women have the need and desire to find "that one guy". The movie industry makes a 5hit ton of money off that desire. I believe it's naturally built into the woman's brain. The thing is, they're only going to find one or possibly two men in their lifetime who would fit the bill.

You have to remember that all of this isn't happening consciously. They are completely unaware that their brains are doing this. Even after they find that one guy who they fall uncontrollably and deeply in love with (and don't stay with), they continue to search for Mr. Right. THAT is when they will easily cheat. They've already found Mr. Right who has now gone missing, and they're searching for his replacement. They never find a replacement for him. They might settle for something "good enough" when their biological clock is ticking, but he's only a sperm donor to her.

If you can get yourself at the top of her high score list, she won't leave you.
I hear you on that women will go with what they feel... but I think a lot girls in their early 20's would see someone in their late 30's or 40's as not viable. Meaning if they knew that off the bat, a lot of them wouldn't even give you a chance to charm them. If a girl doesn't know your age, and she is into you and then finds out you have more of a shot. To be just brutally honest, the girl I am with is in her Mid 20s but I lied about my age saying I was 10 years younger. I eventually told her the truth and she was cool with it, but I think if she knew my age off the bat it might have been a hurdle.

Anyway back to the high score theory.. So even if you are on the top of the high score list, she still may leave you? So are we actually saying that a woman's logic would trump her emotions?
 

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I hear you on that women will go with what they feel... but I think a lot girls in their early 20's would see someone in their late 30's or 40's as not viable.
If you ask a 20 year old if she'd date a 40 year old, she's go "ewwww, gross! creepy old man!" It's negative emotion because of the social implication that older men who sleep with younger women are creepy. However, if the guy is confident, fun and interesting, the social implication goes out the fvcking window because positive emotions are present. She doesn't see him as creepy because he has qualities that contradict creepiness.

So even if you are on the top of the high score list, she still may leave you? So are we actually saying that a woman's logic would trump her emotions?
Yes, she may still leave you. There is no logic on her end. She may leave simply because she's following her emotions down a rabbit hole. After she'd done chasing the rabbit, she will try and get back to where she was before.

This is how women make what appears to be the most incredibly stupid decisions. It's not even a decision on her part, it's just her following what she feels. The desire to follow emotions is much stronger in women than it is in men. However, it doesn't mean that what she felt before she went down the rabbit hole is irrelevant, it may be just temporarily pushed aside. It will remain.

I think the only way these women will stay in your life is when the feelings of losing you are more intense than the temporary pleasure that crosses her path. In other words, she has to be terrified of losing you.

My current situation seems to cater to this. She's technically an "alpha-widow" because I previously fvcked her and didn't commit. Now that I've finally "warmed up" to having her in my life, she clings as if losing me is the absolute worst thing that could happen.

Think about the whole alpha-widow perspective. If one of your loved ones died but came back to life two years later, wouldn't you appreciate them and cling to them tighter?
 

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It's not about whether you would stay faithful to her, it's whether she would stay faithful to you. Find a woman who invests in you heavily, without anything worldly to gain out of it. Find one who sacrifices, can put you first much of the time, and your needs are important to her. That's your woman.
But Nobody can guarantee you that this will stay this way the whole LTR or marriage. Marriage will always be a Risk on your end nowadays.
 

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But Nobody can guarantee you that this will stay this way the whole LTR or marriage. Marriage will always be a Risk on your end nowadays.
It always was a risk. Its up to us to make a good assessment of their character and how they were raised.
 
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