Are we meant to have 1 Woman as a Life Partner??

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Of course.

Go thro life dating lots of women and only settle for one that u want to be with forever. If u can find one. .ive been through enough girls where i welcome the same companion to grow with, that is more important and enjoyable than banging randoms, that is what college is for.

Im always attracted to othe hot women tho never have the urge to cheat, that comes from within.
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I never thought I'd say this but I am considering a monogonous relationship. I'm 34 and tired of hoes. The h*es are getting worse in terms of attitude and hypergamy. I don't have the time or attention span to deal with their drama.
My energy and time are crucial. I dont want to waste it on a skank who is putting me thro tests for attention
 

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I think simply asking that question can be more important than having some definitive answer to it. It's the quest itself that defines us as a man, where we counter-balance what we think we know with the instincts we have for morality and philosophy. This makes us more cautious and prudent, and dare I say more conservative.
Teach me..

I don't think so... Average life expectancy is 78 years... There are many changes during that time...

I believe we are supposed to have several important people in our lives as we go through the changes in our lives. Very hard to stay in marriages that long where both individuals feel supported and fulfilling life's goals. I would be willing to bet you could ask every person in a relationship over 20 years and the people have things they wanted to do and will take these to the grave. They did not do these things because of life's excuses, which really revolves around the restrictions of an LTR.

I would say this applies to 90%+ of people in long term marriages...
I guess aside from trying to score poon I don't feel too enthralled with anything.

People can change together
I think you mean grow together.

My energy and time are crucial. I dont want to waste it on a skank who is putting me thro tests for attention
This is how I feel too. It sucks that so many hot girls tend to do this though.

If we were meant to be monogamous, why does society require contracts to enforce it?
There's probably many things we might be meant to do yet there are those who deviate right? For example we are meant to not take things from others, but there's contracts of law that will have you arrested for stealing.

I think what I'm struggling right now is figuring out if I should repress my urges or embrace and act on them? If I were to commit to one women and not cheat, I'd have to think about baseball or something anytime I got turned on by another girl.
 

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Teach me..



I guess aside from trying to score poon I don't feel too enthralled with anything.



I think you mean grow together.



This is how I feel too. It sucks that so many hot girls tend to do this though.



There's probably many things we might be meant to do yet there are those who deviate right? For example we are meant to not take things from others, but there's contracts of law that will have you arrested for stealing.

I think what I'm struggling right now is figuring out if I should repress my urges or embrace and act on them? If I were to commit to one women and not cheat, I'd have to think about baseball or something anytime I got turned on by another girl.
The idea is that the one woman u commit to is held so highly within u that is the reason u chose to be exclusive with her and if u chose her because she is special not cheating should go along with that.

If u appreciate and TRULY care for a woman then it is easy to turn down offers to cheat.
You dont want that person to experience the pain and betrayal of cheating.
That is a horrible pain to put someone thro.
 

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Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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The idea is that the one woman u commit to is held so highly within u that is the reason u chose to be exclusive with her and if u chose her because she is special not cheating should go along with that.

If u appreciate and TRULY care for a woman then it is easy to turn down offers to cheat.
You dont want that person to experience the pain and betrayal of cheating.
That is a horrible pain to put someone thro.
You're preaching to the choir regarding that finding out you've been cheated on by someone is terrible pain. This is the last thing I would ever want to do, so this I'm clear on.

That being said if a male has an innate desire to fornicate with other women, why couldn't he just do so during measured intervals and keep it on the DL?
 

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You're preaching to the choir regarding that finding out you've been cheated on by someone is terrible pain. This is the last thing I would ever want to do, so this I'm clear on.

That being said if a male has an innate desire to fornicate with other women, why couldn't he just do so during measured intervals and keep it on the DL?
U just said why, because u dont want to put someone u care about thro that hurt. And if u dont care about them dont be exclusive and carry on banging everyone u want.
 

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U just said why, because u dont want to put someone u care about thro that hurt. And if u dont care about them dont be exclusive and carry on banging everyone u want.
I am saying that I wouldn't be putting them through that hurt because I would take special measures to ensure it stayed on the DL (Down Low). In other words covering up your tracks...
 

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I am saying that I wouldn't be putting them through that hurt because I would take special measures to ensure it stayed on the DL (Down Low). In other words covering up your tracks...
gotcha, but you did say the last thing you would ever want to do is put someone through that, which I know you think if they never find out they will never be hurt about it, but at the same time if you have the sympathy to state that then you probably have the character not to do it anyways, even if they wont find out.
I dont want to have to shoulder that burden, life is hard enough not to carry the stress of betraying someone secretly who may be very good to you.
 

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Some food for thought:

You sound concerned that you are "supposed" to get married and that the girl you are with is perhaps "good enough". That is a "settle for" mentality based on time already spent/invested.

Never settle in something as major as marriage. You block opportunity if you settle. People who settle create all manner of avoidable pain in their lives. Be single before you settle. You never know when you'll meet someone, don't stymie the opportunity out of desperation or social expectation.

Believe in abundance. Too many here have a scarcity mindset. Scarcity mindset = desperate.

In order to emotionally get real with someone the novelty must wear off. But herein lies the deeper opportunity. The real opportunity is intimacy, emotional depth & bonding, once the "novelty" is gone you can build intimacy if you and she are mature enough to be vulnerable to one another. This is not something you can build with a casual sex partner in whom nothing is invested, and once built you can destroy it immediately by betrayal of intimate trust (infidelity.)

Marriage is about much more than sex. It is about partnership for life, commitment, loyalty, friendship/companionship & family. All this was discussed in your Reasons for Marriage thread.

Sexless unions are a travesty. Refuse to get into one. You want

1. A woman who loves YOU,

2. A woman who loves sex with YOU and

3. A woman who is EAGER for sex with you whenever you want.

If you are dating a long time in an LTR you will know whether or not 1,2 and 3 apply.

Only consider marriage if 1,2 & 3 are met unequivocally in additional to your other "must have" characteristics and you love her.

Love is an action verb. A verb transitive. It is more about what she does than what she says she feels. That is why observing her actions tells the story. Actions don't lie the way words can.

Not all women want to control the man, and not all women are attention wh0res either, but MANY are one or the other and some are both.

Do you & be you.

The right woman will accept who you are and get behind you & your life goals; she may exhibit a willingness to let go of her pursuits to support you in yours. This in additional to her sexual affinity for you.

If you aren't dating someone like that then either you need to get busy building your own life or you need to be open to meeting other (better suited) women...or both.

Even if it means short term discomfort for someone who you care about but can't see a future with. It's kinder to cut bait if she doesn't cut it. That way you can both be open to other options.

If your bullet points are your assumptions about all women & relationships then consider that your own perceptions are holding you hostage.

To get different results...do something different!
Seriously, I fvcking laughed out loud, hard, when I read #3.
Sorry BeExcellent, but any man over 25 who has been in a relationship over six months with a woman knows this is impossible. And it does not improve with experience or age, it gets continually worse to the point of being unbearable.
 
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Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Seriously, I fvcking laughed out loud, hard, when I read #3.
Sorry BeExcellent, but any man over 25 who has been in a relationship over six months with a woman knows this is impossible. And it does not improve with experience or age, it gets continually worse to the point of being unbearable.
Well then whine about it. I for one am a woman who has never turned down sex, and am greatly pleased to satisfy my man in this way. I always thought women who use sex as a bargaining chip were idiots. I know lots of women who enjoy sex. My grandmother (herself married; and widowed twice) explained to my sisters and I as teens that in marriage, especially for a man, sexual expression of love is the "glue" that keeps passion going over time. Few people are happily married once; fewer still happily married twice, but she was.

Quit picking women who don't like sex. According to you and other men the signs are there early. Drop these sorts of women and find one who enjoys it.
 

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I understand your perspective BE. However what the guys are telling you is that is an easy and powerful bargaining chip for most women and they use it. So taking your advice leaves 50 ℅ of men chasing 10℅ of women. Which is why men here believe LTRs have a shelf life.

Interesting I would say my current g/f comes close to the girl u say guys should be looking for.

I ve had a couple of setbacks lately. Few minor health injuries and work flipped on a promotion for me due to a change in the political landscape. I ve already started working on these issues.

Also last year I could help her with her study. Now she s finishing the course.

I ve noticed more sh1t tests lately. I can't remember the member but to quote. The sweetest girl will become a raging hypergamous Monster if she thinks u r weaker than the day before. I believe this is true for of 80℅ women.
 

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No, he should find one he knows will be faithful to him for the end of his days and as well please him and take care of his needs.
What your suggesting is an oxymoron. There is no woman on this earth who is not capable of cheating on you. That "faithful" woman doesn't exist. Furthermore, you ,me, or anyone else will ever "know" what another person is thinking or feeling. You must accept that cheating is possible with all woman.

Whether a woman cheats on you has more to do with you than it does her! There is no "find" there is no "knows" in your suggestion. There is only you to take care of your own needs, and enjoy women for the creatures that they are! Once you accept the truth that every person on this planet can and will likely hurt you at some point, can you have some sort of peace and happiness.
 

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I understand your perspective BE. However what the guys are telling you is that is an easy and powerful bargaining chip for most women and they use it. So taking your advice leaves 50 ℅ of men chasing 10℅ of women. Which is why men here believe LTRs have a shelf life.

Interesting I would say my current g/f comes close to the girl u say guys should be looking for.

I ve had a couple of setbacks lately. Few minor health injuries and work flipped on a promotion for me due to a change in the political landscape. I ve already started working on these issues.

Also last year I could help her with her study. Now she s finishing the course.

I ve noticed more sh1t tests lately. I can't remember the member but to quote. The sweetest girl will become a raging hypergamous Monster if she thinks u r weaker than the day before. I believe this is true for of 80℅ women.
I agree @ubercat with your assessment. Lots of women are raised from little girls to select the man with the most resources. I agree that men should filter for this as much as that is possible...but the tricky thing here is that this group also often contains the women who are raised in such a way to actually make the best wives (if we're talking marriage) and those who often make the most rewarding wives and mothers. In other words the women who are taught to be submissive and deferential to their man. Even if we aren't talking marriage it's still a tricky business.

For a woman like myself who was raised to be able to take care of myself and my own affairs, I've had the opposite struggle. I had to unlearn the "go girl" programming from my mother and understand the wisdom of my father and my grandmother. In the process I turned down one marriage proposal and I'm "the one who got away" from another man who both are very accomplished in their lives.

You have to hold frame to be sure. One male colleague of mine is very interesting. He is married 25+ years and he & his wife still carry on like newlyweds. They chose not to have children. He earns just over 100K. She earns at least triple what she does in M & A for a major global company. They travel all over the world together and have a great life. Despite the income difference he is the BOSS of that marriage. She was 18 when they got together (he's several years older than she is) and they have really grown together over many years. His view is "I'm the man, my job is to be in charge" and so he is.

There are just so many examples of successes around that I think it is shortsighted to adopt the view that a happy LTR is not possible. That's really the crux of most of my posts.
 

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Well then whine about it. I for one am a woman who has never turned down sex, and am greatly pleased to satisfy my man in this way. I always thought women who use sex as a bargaining chip were idiots. I know lots of women who enjoy sex. My grandmother (herself married; and widowed twice) explained to my sisters and I as teens that in marriage, especially for a man, sexual expression of love is the "glue" that keeps passion going over time. Few people are happily married once; fewer still happily married twice, but she was.

Quit picking women who don't like sex. According to you and other men the signs are there early. Drop these sorts of women and find one who enjoys it.

I guess i don't understand because every girl i have ever been with has been eager and crazy in bed. I'm 31, and haven't been single since highschool until very recently. I think "and this is just a wild ignorant guess" is that most lack of sex problems are stemming from the guy more than the girl. Too much beta cuck behavior will drive even the most lowest smv womans sex drive down to zero. Even when i went nuclear on my relationships the sex was always hot, willing, and given without question.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Agree it is possible. My parents have been married for 60 years. However as per my post it's a low ℅ proposition.
 

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I guess i don't understand because every girl i have ever been with has been eager and crazy in bed. I'm 31, and haven't been single since highschool until very recently. I think "and this is just a wild ignorant guess" is that most lack of sex problems are stemming from the guy more than the girl. Too much beta cuck behavior will drive even the most lowest smv womans sex drive down to zero. Even when i went nuclear on my relationships the sex was always hot, willing, and given without question.
Some women are emotionally cold and starfish sexually. They don't do it, but will for a "chore". Think of an aspergers sufferer. They don't emotionally connect. So sometimes it's no fault of the man other than picking one who doesn't LIKE sex.
 

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Some women are emotionally cold and starfish sexually. They don't do it, but will for a "chore". Think of an aspergers sufferer. They don't emotionally connect. So sometimes it's no fault of the man other than picking one who doesn't LIKE sex.
See my mind just doesn't comprehend. To me a woman who is boring in bed, low sex drive, or doesn't like keno or kissing gets nexted quicker than literally any other type of woman i will come across. Doubtful we'd even get to the LTR stage let alone starfish whatever this **** is they are trying to pull.

I make it known right out the gate that i am a sexual being and it's a deal breaker. Seriously what reason is there to be in a ltr with a woman if sex is non existent or cold? I dated this girl in 2009 who was clinically diagnosed with Asperger syndrome. She was one of the wildest in bed i have ever had and was an emotional mess. I ended up putting all her **** out on my front deck after i found out she was cheating..It broke her so bad that two years later out of the blue i get a court summons from her seeking a restraining order against me. I brought my much more attractive gf with me to court, the judge threw it out, she spent the entire time staring down my hotter gf. The look on her face was priceless! Left such an impression she still has me blocked on social media lol.

Why a man would settle for this is beyond my understanding..
 

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I agree @ubercat with your assessment. Lots of women are raised from little girls to select the man with the most resources. I agree that men should filter for this as much as that is possible...but the tricky thing here is that this group also often contains the women who are raised in such a way to actually make the best wives (if we're talking marriage) and those who often make the most rewarding wives and mothers. In other words the women who are taught to be submissive and deferential to their man. Even if we aren't talking marriage it's still a tricky business.

For a woman like myself who was raised to be able to take care of myself and my own affairs, I've had the opposite struggle. I had to unlearn the "go girl" programming from my mother and understand the wisdom of my father and my grandmother. In the process I turned down one marriage proposal and I'm "the one who got away" from another man who both are very accomplished in their lives.

You have to hold frame to be sure. One male colleague of mine is very interesting. He is married 25+ years and he & his wife still carry on like newlyweds. They chose not to have children. He earns just over 100K. She earns at least triple what she does in M & A for a major global company. They travel all over the world together and have a great life. Despite the income difference he is the BOSS of that marriage. She was 18 when they got together (he's several years older than she is) and they have really grown together over many years. His view is "I'm the man, my job is to be in charge" and so he is.

There are just so many examples of successes around that I think it is shortsighted to adopt the view that a happy LTR is not possible. That's really the crux of most of my posts.
I almost feel like the most successfull marriages are when the man is 5-10 years older and in control of the marriage. Happiness is really relative though? Would you agree that a good portion of LTRs are merely content, not necessarily happy?
 

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I almost feel like the most successfull marriages are when the man is 5-10 years older and in control of the marriage. Happiness is really relative though? Would you agree that a good portion of LTRs are merely content, not necessarily happy?
My post is pretty long. Because most of the married couples I know have been together for a long time (due to the age of my peer group) most of the married couples I know well honestly seem to really be more happy. I'd say 75% appear happy as opposed to content but of course it is impossible to really know as an outsider looking in, and some of that may also be personality differences.

Here are some circumstances I routinely observe that turn out great marriages:

1. School sweethearts who marry and bond and grow through life together. They are often the same age or very close in age. I know at least 20 couples like this, including 2 of my sisters and my high school best girlfriend. I might know more than that if I sat and really thought hard about it. These are couples who generally have similar backgrounds and fell in love with each other before the men had resources to really offer and while the woman was still young and pretty innocent. In other words their accomplishments in life were mere potential at the time they got together. 75% of these couples I would generally classify as happy and the other 25% as content, but how that appears has much to do with people's personalities. These couples seem to genuinely LIKE one another and they are best friends as well as spouses. I'm older than some here so most are my age, although one couple is in their early 20's just starting out. All appear to be going strong although all have been through tough things in life and come out together and often stronger. A common thread is the woman shows respect and deference to the man; the man finds the woman charming.

The very young couple is an interesting illustration. I've said on other threads that the "best" women may get paired off early with the son of someone her parents know. Sort of joked about how my friends and I kid about setting up our children and how we are actually kind of serious. It does happen. This couple is a perfect example of that. She is thin & very beautiful, very smart and very sweet. He is handsome and working toward taking a lead role in his family's business. As "All American" as a couple can get. Her parents are my neighbors two doors down in one direction; his parents are my neighbors across the street & 4 doors down in the other direction. The families have known each other for decades and have each gently encouraged this union. They dated throughout high school and college, marrying shortly after college graduation. They presently have a 9 month old and full support of both families. Both sets of parents have been married more than 40 years themselves.

2. Couples like you describe @Roober (who in some cases I am not sure how they met) where the man is a little older and the woman a little younger. Often they share similar interests and passions together (golfing, bridge, real estate, outdoors) and at times may be in business together. I know many couples like this, can't say for sure how many because I know so many. Some are retirement age, some are younger than I am, but not by much (perhaps late 30's) and many seem pleased to be together. One of my real estate brokers was on the phone today discussing his 50th wedding anniversary plans (which he was observably excited about) with a buddy of his. I do find that most of the men lead and most of the women defer. And the men tend to be benevolent in their leadership too, they are not d!cks or @ssholes. They do not need to be.

3. Couples who are re-married after having been divorced or lost a spouse. Many here would say (and I tend to agree) that widows/widowers are the more consistently quality component as a whole within this group. My own grandmother was married to her high school sweetheart who died in his early 40's from cancer. After 18 years as a widow she married again and remained in her second marriage until his death in his 80's. But that is not to say that divorced people are never quality people. Marriages fail for all sorts of reasons and the downfall usually has more to do with the actions (or inactions) of one spouse more than the other (e.g. the party who cheated, the party who got lazy, the party who became obese, the party who was the abuser or the addict or the alcoholic, etc. or had some behavior that led to the unravelling of the union.)

Couples who have both been through divorce seem best able to understand what a divorce is like. The people successful in second unions also have often learned from the first marriage almost without exception.

More than 2 marriages has to be a huge red flag I would think. Man or woman this would appear to indicate an inability to qualify a potential partner.

Interestingly I only know 1 married couple personally where the man is substantially older or younger than the woman. The greatest age gap I see is about 10 years give or take a year or two except for one couple I know where it is more of a 25 year gap. As you might predict the man is a multimillionaire in his 60's and his Italian national wife is in her 30's (and had his children). She is pretty and charming and from a wealthy Italian family. As is well known wealthy gentlemen do not lack for choices as they have high SMV.

What I find interesting about all the successful married couples I know is that they are proud they are married, and proud they have remained married. Because the divorce rate is 50% give or take (and that is FIRST marriages) it is almost a status thing if you are happy. It's kind of a "See! I picked a winner!" type pride.

So those are some of my own field observations for what it is worth.
 
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