Global warming and climate change

[EyeBRollin]

Most of the climate scientists who have decided the humans are causing climate change are paid, in one way or another, by the government who has a VESTED INTEREST in the idea of "man made climate change" as it will give them an excuse to tax people they couldn't otherwise tax.

This is a blatantly ludicrous premise, as fiat governments don't even need tax revenue.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

This is a blatantly ludicrous premise, as fiat governments don't even need tax revenue.

Despite our fiat currencies, we DO pay taxes.

And to convince us to pay taxes, governments need reasons.

Falsely attributing climate change to humans is one of those reasons.

Here's some references for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_tax

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-bernie-sanders/why-we-need-a-carbon-tax_b_5571408.html

(The above article spells it out: Man Made Global Warming = We need a carbon tax)

Without man made global warming, we wouldn't need a carbon tax.

Because governments like to tax, the scientists tell them global warming is man made.

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

 

[EyeBRollin]

Despite our fiat currencies, we DO pay taxes.

And to convince us to pay taxes, governments need reasons.

They aren't short on reasons to convince the already brainwashed masses to pay taxes.

Falsely attributing climate change to humans is one of those reasons.

Here's some references for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_tax

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-bernie-sanders/why-we-need-a-carbon-tax_b_5571408.html

(The above article spells it out: Man Made Global Warming = We need a carbon tax)

Without man made global warming, we wouldn't need a carbon tax.

Because governments like to tax, the scientists tell them global warming is man made.

This is a conspiracy theory that every developed nation is apparently would be in on.

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

Ludicrous premise. Fiat governments have never and will never need tax revenue. Increasing tax revenue is not a motive to pay scientists to study climate change.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Fiat governments have never and will never need tax revenue. Increasing tax revenue is not a motive to pay scientists to study climate change.

There are other reasons for taxation rather than revenues.

Carbon taxes are not for the revenues. They are discourage industrialization. To keep rich countries rich, and poor countries poor.

Those at the top want to stay at the top. Man Made Climate change, and the scientists that support it, is one way of doing that.

 

[EyeBRollin]

There are other reasons for taxation rather than revenues.

Carbon taxes are not for the revenues. They are discourage industrialization. To keep rich countries rich, and poor countries poor.

Those at the top want to stay at the top. Man Made Climate change, and the scientists that support it, is one way of doing that.

Now we're getting to an agreement. Fortunately, scientists are not exactly friends to billionaires. Billionaires would much prefer debt hysteria by spreading misinformation about "insolvency" of social security and medicare.

 

[guugly]

the third world is causing most of it (of what IS humanly caused) by burning coal, etc, and you're not going to get them to stop, just like you aint going to get them to sterilize 90% of their women. Overpopulation is causing most of the world's problems.

 

[speed dawg]

the third world is causing most of it (of what IS humanly caused) by burning coal, etc, and you're not going to get them to stop, just like you aint going to get them to sterilize 90% of their women. Overpopulation is causing most of the world's problems.

The Return of Gunkid!!!!!!

 

[ubercat]

Just watched A December 2016 documentary on Svalbard in Norway. The whole Island used to be covered by a glacier which has retreated 5 kilometres. Yes this could be due to a natural warming cycle. And in fact the lead scientist of the team studying this glacier said as much.

But the point he made is the speed of the change. Natural warming Cycles have occurred in geological time allowing species time to adapt. He said that this is happening so quickly that species can't adapt and it will be a mass extinction event.

I know this won't be popular as Trump is pushing an oil lead recovery. But it's getting pretty obvious guys

 

[ubercat]

@guugly not sure what the latest figures but years ago the US used to consume 40% of the world's resources. Obviously the US is not 40% of the worlds population. I don't think they are the only problem

 

[ubercat]

Antarctic and glacial ice core sampling. But really my argument is simple. We know high concentrations of co2 and methane cause warming. It's obvious we re in a warming period. The physical signs r everywhere.

Whether that trend is natural or not our emissions r making the problem worse. So y wouldn't we fix what we can control.

 

[ubercat]

Geez mate it's called a greenhouse gas. Put on your favorite coat and sit in a greenhouse for a while. U ll feel pretty toasty. UV comes down infrared gets trapped by Ço2. It's a physically observable fact. You won't find any debate in the scientific community about that one. Anyway no point discussing any further the evidence is everywhere if you can't see it it's because you choose not to.
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[Bible_Belt]

From what evidence do we know that CO2 causes warming?

Venus is hotter than Mercury, despite being much farther from the sun.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Venus has a massive cloud cover too, again no proof that CO2 is the cause.

LOL is that an "alternative fact?" Those clouds are 96% carbon dioxide.

 

[ubercat]

Fortunately for the sanity of this thread there s a 3rd grade science project that proves this physical fact

https://www.education.com/science-fair/article/greenhouse-project/

2 minutes googling would find many more.

 

[ubercat]

So more productively @bible it's coming. Have u worked out any ways to profit. E.g. the company that will build the giant storm walls. Or can create the trees that absorb more CO2.

 

[Bible_Belt]

bad science fueled by an agenda.

That is an excellent summary of the climate change denial movement. The agenda is to further the interest of oil and energy companies. They're the ones who have been cranking out the bad science and funding the right-wing think tanks whose job it is to tell you what to think, a job they do quite well.

 

[Bible_Belt]

So more productively @bible it's coming. Have u worked out any ways to profit. E.g. the company that will build the giant storm walls. Or can create the trees that absorb more CO2.

Yes, actually. I have been offered a job that exists mostly because of climate change, and is predicated on bad weather. The company is like most others - white people own it and make all the money. Brown people do all the actual labor and probably don't even make minimum wage. My biggest concern right now is that if Trump chases away all the brown people, there will no longer be cheap labor for my capitalist friends to exploit.

 

[ubercat]

The experiment shows UV being turned into heat which is trapped. It's a concept. That's what CO2 does in the atmosphere.

 

[ubercat]

Ok for those who haven't been trained in critical thinking also known as systems thinking and rhetoric.

So Dangers thinking is based on a conspiracy theory. It's circular logic. I could reference 100 studies and that would all be part of the conspiracy. Note it rests on 2 assumptions. That the physical evidence can b explained away and that the conspiracy exists Note that by stacking assumptions it falls Occam's razor. Also note the differing standards of proof applied. Physical science is contested but we have to take the existence of the conspiracy on faith.

 

[Desdinova]

This thread is turning into a big pile of poopy poop. Time to close it.