Do you see the female market getting better?

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Easier to be a provider.

The only real issue I have with modern society is the constant annoying frame push of a feminised world.

I get that mostly through the TV. I merely stop watching TV. Problem solved.

The women that really buy in to that mindset are the same game as any other women. If you really believe that "not all women are like that", then you haven't gamed enough of them.

That's why worrying about women as any sort of 'individual' is idiocy to any guy actually approaching and playing a numbers game.

It's indicative of a sniper mindset (or oneitis).

That's why I made the thread. I realized that I haven't come across any attractive women in my life who were genuinely sweet.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

?

I've come across loads. Seriously loads.

I have no idea where other guys are coming from on that front.

Those girls revert to basic nature when they aren't getting what they believe they are entitled to as a woman. For example: monogamy.

They play up the jealousy angle. They start acting offish. Etc. etc.

Same old sh*t.

Interest level is literally everything as a base. After that, it is how much you are willing to compromise yourself to keep her around longer-term.

And don't listen to any of the bullsh*tters here. Any exclusive relationship is a compromise for a man. And women believe themselves entitled to it at some point, because it's their frame.

Guys, here especially, start making demands at that point to serve their ego. That is merely a compromise on their compromise

It's ridiculous, this life.

So they are only as sweet as much as they like you?

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Regards the OP.

I wouldn't (don't) consider the state of the 'market'. Nowadays it's better to consider the state of oneself and what value one brings to the marketplace, opposed to worrying about an entire human population, 90percent of which you'll never have any dealings with.

Personally, my experiences are getting better, but that owes largely to changes that I've made in myself, rather than the entire species changing. I'm getting laid much less, but I'm focusing more on higher quality opposed to pure numbers latterly.

Women I meet now are more easy going and open and sound of mind. But that's more to do with the energy and temperament that I myself am putting out, in addition to what I tolerate, do not tolerate and look for in the immediate short term.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Regards the OP.

I wouldn't (don't) consider the state of the 'market'. Nowadays it's better to consider the state of oneself and what value one brings to the marketplace, opposed to worrying about an entire human population, 90percent of which you'll never have any dealings with.

Personally, my experiences are getting better, but that owes largely to changes that I've made in myself, rather than the entire species changing. I'm getting laid much less, but I'm focusing more on higher quality opposed to pure numbers latterly.

Women I meet now are more easy going and open and sound of mind. But that's more to do with the energy and temperament that I myself am putting out, in addition to what I tolerate, do not tolerate and look for in the immediate short term.

This reminded me of a quote I once read: "Everyone is trying to find the right person, but no one is trying to be the right person".

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

In other words, the natural order of things

Well, that's exactly my point really. We understand the natural order takes hundreds or thousands of years to change and essentially there's nothing we'll do about it.

However, and individual can change his personal constitution drastically over a minimal period of 6months or a year.

I am not serious relationship material in a million years.

So, what I interpret that as is, 'I don't want a relationship'. You only have a problem if you are experiencing rejection outright. Attracting eligible women can hardly be viewed as negative reinforcement.

 

[sazc]

@Poonani Maker my condolences regarding your father

Great thread guys

 

[Bible_Belt]

Speaking of the quality of women out there, I just now saw my local high school's homecoming queen on craigslist. The girl isn't even out of high school yet, and she's an Internet prostitute.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Speaking of the quality of women out there, I just now saw my local high school's homecoming queen on craigslist. The girl isn't even out of high school yet, and she's an Internet prostitute.

Jesus dude, how do you always have the most outrageous stories? That's pretty insane.

 

[Desdinova]

The older you get the worse women get. I'm 53. The women that I date are 35 plus. They are single mothers or women with grown children. The have a lot of experience, meaning they have ridden loads of ****. They have baggage.

Most women older than age 23 are garbage when it comes to good LTR material.

There are good and loyal woman out there, but if your looking for "hot girls" they will be invisible to you.

If you want to find a good companion, you'll have to look in the 18-23 age range and make some sacrifices as far as looks go. The pickings for a good woman are still slim even when you start sacrificing in the looks department. Too many ugly fat bytches feel entitled to have a great man.

It's the men that suck and need to up their game.

I agree with this to a point. Men (and I'm talking about the truly attractive men that most women desire) need to screen the hell out of the women they choose to be with. Men have to raise the standards when it comes to the women who are date-able. However, women don't fvcking learn anything. They will just continue to brainwash themselves, saying "it's the man's fault for being closed-minded". The change has to get to the point where the media and society is saturated with a genuine message of what a respectable, desirable woman is. Right now, the message that the media conveys is that tattooed fat bytchy wh0res are respectable, desirable women. But it's a never-ending cycle. Society influences the media, and the media influences society. Something or somebody needs to break this endlessly looped message.

 

[TheFixer14]

No.

 

[Poonani Maker]

@Poonani Maker my condolences regarding your father

Great thread guys

Thanks. I had never lost anyone That close. No one mourned for longer than 1 day, my 1st dog, they all slightly hurt. I can't get over how complete strangers have expressed their empathy/sympathy. I'm like, "how did you know my dad died?" and he/she'd say, "oh, the people who filled in for you (at work) told me." Of course, any mention of my loss at that time made me start breaking up and crying. I really should have taken more time off of work, but people told me (including my mom) that I should get back to work ASAP to get my mind off it (and they were right). That first morning though (only 2 hrs sleep), my brothers came to pick me up to go to my dad's house and start cleaning it out (because we all live more than a thousand miles away), I could not function and they were about to take me back to my mom's. It didn't hurt them as much (they are both married with children and were not as in contact with my dad and I was the youngest). I said only 1 of 3 things I'd wanted to say while he was alive there at the end, only had one minute. I thought of the other after we went back into the room after he'd passed. My brothers didn't make it in time to be there with him at the end, but they had time with him for one week up until 7 hours before it went south.

 

[sazc]

@Poonani Maker
I lost my dad when I was 27 (he was 57) I remember fully believing that I would never be able to feel joy again.
See, from my perspective, you got lucky. A week before my dad passed I randomly had the urge to call him, just to see what was up. Nothing specific. I didn't and I regret it to this day.
A really good thing happened for me tho. I leaned down into his casket to say good bye and I pressed my cheek against his as I did so. His cheek was very cold. That night, as I was sleeping, he came to me in a dream and pressed his cheek against mine and I could FEEL his warmth.

Anyways, no one can tell you how to grieve. Grieve the way you need to. Work thru it the way your emotions need to. Eventually, you wrap it all up in a cozy blanket and you put it in a drawer, and you take it out every now and then, either to share, like now, or to remember. When I recall it (like when I was typing this) I got emotional and honored my dad by shedding a few tears.

Hugs, you are not alone

 

[PeasantPlayer]

I think Womens looks are tanking in general. I see a lot of women I see from bars or events in the light at coffee shops or when I go shopping and its not pretty. Their faces are heavily caked up and lots of blemishes.
What is keeping women a float is how much more "feminine" Their bodies are now compared to 20 years ago.
Love a woman with curves, and lots of women are curvy nowadays, legs and hips and booty for days

 

[PeasantPlayer]

His cheek was very cold. That night, as I was sleeping, he came to me in a dream and pressed his cheek against mine and I could FEEL his warmth.

That's an awesome experience. I have had Pre Cog dreams (2 I could remember) and changed the way I thought about life. It doesn't prove to me there is a "GOD" but I am skeptically very opened minded to possibilities

 

[Milano]

If you want to know if the market is getting better just look at the economy. If the economy is good, women will look to date the best available in terms of looks, status and wealth. When the economy is bad, women will look to grab the first decent man that happens along.
The latter is the story across Europe right now. I'm surprised this hasn't been the case in America.

Nope, still the same ideal here and lots of guys with money Im afraid. Competition is simply insane, and here in my country everyone seems to be hitting the gym, high education because it is almost free etc.

Steroids are also increasing so soon all men will need to look like 100 kg ripped clones to even get a fat woman on tinder, (almost no joke)

 

[Poonani Maker]

@Poonani Maker
I lost my dad when I was 27 (he was 57) I remember fully believing that I would never be able to feel joy again.
See, from my perspective, you got lucky. A week before my dad passed I randomly had the urge to call him, just to see what was up. Nothing specific. I didn't and I regret it to this day.
A really good thing happened for me tho. I leaned down into his casket to say good bye and I pressed my cheek against his as I did so. His cheek was very cold. That night, as I was sleeping, he came to me in a dream and pressed his cheek against mine and I could FEEL his warmth.

Anyways, no one can tell you how to grieve. Grieve the way you need to. Work thru it the way your emotions need to. Eventually, you wrap it all up in a cozy blanket and you put it in a drawer, and you take it out every now and then, either to share, like now, or to remember. When I recall it (like when I was typing this) I got emotional and honored my dad by shedding a few tears.

Hugs, you are not alone

Sorry for your loss. I thought mine had died "young." My dad wanted to be cremated. I was against that, but I remembered him saying that on a few occasions, and another person remembered him saying that too (not stated in his handwritten will). We (my brothers and I) honored our dad's verbalization of what he wanted regarding who gets what (even a persistent distant cousin who kept callin about one of his guns - I remember our dad wanting that cousin to have it so we gave it to him at the funeral). The last I saw my dad (except his ashes in the trunk of my brother's car) was re-entering the ICU room and seeing him with one of my brothers on the other side of him (the other couldn't bear to go back in). Seeing him like that (eyes still open, mouth open, but tubes removed) was sooo heart-wrenching and I will NEVER forget the how he looked in the aftermath of the doctors' attempts to resuscitate him (emergency after a week of him "getting better" - those doctors and nurses don't know SH!T!!! Or they were lying to us about him getting better and maybe walking out of the hospital in a couple weeks) and put him on life support. I can't believe it, but I faced HIM because I loved him. I couldn't believe it. I was set to fly home the next day cause I thought alls well, but his condition turned so quick. He was talking about coming out to visit me just hours before (happy and upbeat). He's never seen my house OR my brothers' houses. He had never visited us. I would've paid for it. Very stubborn dad (as most are with their sons/children). There's a whole lot more to the story, but I'll leave it at that. It was 2 weeks packed full of crazy drama. We had to go out to his girlfriend's house In The Dark, in the country Armed to retrieve some of his valuables including vehicle titles, house title, a Colt 1911 pistol, clothes, a knife, 2 gold ounce coins - which we NEVER found she'd moved to her house. I'd wanted an autopsy but my brothers just wanted to let it go and move on - we all live so far away. So many turns of events and it wrecked my legs, brain, and just plain aches throughout my body from the emotions I went through.

 

[BeExcellent]

I'm doing what I can to make it better by raising daughters who will look for men who have purpose in life. I see families where I live who are raising traditional minded women from traditional minded mothers and purposeful fathers.

One couple who are friends of mine are a great example. The dad is a doctor & met the mom while the mom was in England as a Rhodes scholar. He was preparing to enter med school. So she was smart & a disciplined student & was planning to become a doctor herself. Her dad was also a doctor & businessman in town. She gave up her career ambitions to be his wife. They had their first child 9 months after they got married & have 6 children total. The mom is a very pretty woman without any makeup, is a size 2 or 4 in clothing and has an attractive athletic figure and she is not altered or artificial in any way.

Socially she ALWAYS defers to him, always stops speaking to listen to him and always looks to him for leadership. Just as her mother, a nurse, looked to her father for leadership. I know she makes her thoughts known to him privately, and I know he does things that will please her because he respects her opinion and he likes to please her. But he chooses to please her from a place of benevolence rather than supplication. He is a very attractive man and I have the utmost respect for their marriage & the wonderful example they embody.

They are two of the most genuine authentic people I know. Their children deeply respect them and their daughters (who are pretty and athletic & smart) want to emulate them. So do their sons.

And they are the most striking example but not the only example I know personally.

You are at an enormous advantage at your age to be thinking about your future this way. You need to be results driven in your affairs because the better your results the more opportunities you will have.

I think @Von said the better you become the better your opportunities become.

This is very true.

If you know you are family minded you need to look at the girls who are less focused on make up and hair and clothes & look for less superficial girls. Look at the athlete girls who wear less makeup...or look for girls who are sweet first and pretty second. Makeup hides many sins. The gal with no makeup could be just as hot as the girl wearing lots...but you notice the girl wearing lots first. You may miss the quiet subdued natural beauty.

Look for giving women.

Take time to chat with your dates about her family. Look for girls who respect their families...get to know the parents of your dates. Why did her dad decide to do "X"; what does her mom most appreciate about her dad? Are the parents still married? How have they accomplished that? (An ironclad commitment to stay married no matter what was by sister's best friend's mom's answer to that question - that couple has been together over 50 years and are in their 70's).

If you want to know how to succeed at something ask someone who has done it. Ask the parents of friends or schoolmates...ask grandparents. Ask everyone.

If the parents are not together, why not?

You can filter the answers you get based on what you have learned here & decide whose answers resonate for you.

Meanwhile concentrate on being the best YOU possible. Women worth having children with will make their life's purpose being a good wife & mother. Women like this find purpose is supporting her man in his purpose. Find a girl with a teamwork mindset.

Child rearing and marriage (if that is what you want) are for those who can lead and persevere. Even good unions face tough obstacles.

Last night I celebrated New Year's with old friends. One of the couples graduated high school together a year ahead of me. They have been married 25 years (and dated several years before that), have grown children and are dealing with aging parents and all those associated challenges as a team. They are devoted to each other & the wife ADORES her husband.

So success stories are out there. This couple has a gorgeous & marriage worthy daughter who is making all As at a small Christian college.

 

[Poon King]

The market will continue to improve for men who enjoy plate spinning and sport f*cking.

The market will continue to get worse for co-dependent betas as women increasingly don't respect such men and see them as puss!es. Women will continue to treat those men like dirt and walk all over them emotionally and financially. Sorry.

MEN don't seem to understand that "quality women" was always an illusion. Women acted the way they did in the past because they were DEPENDENT on men. Just like your dog is depended on you for food and shelter so it is loyal and loving 24/7. Women are no longer dependent.. so why would they behave the same way?

Women view men who are desperate for "relationships" the same way men view slutty women: As worthless trash to exploit and take advantage of.

A man who is desperate to freely give away his time, energy and money to someone with a vagina must have nothing better to do with his time and view sexual options. This makes him a loser. And men who make it a life goal to sign a legally binding contract with a 130 pound mosquito are just pathetic faggots.

A lot of men don't feel complete unless they are playing the worker bee provider role. They are all too happy to go into massive debt and hand over a house and kids to a woman in the game of "tradition".

 

[Steady Eddie]

Nope, still the same ideal here and lots of guys with money Im afraid. Competition is simply insane, and here in my country everyone seems to be hitting the gym, high education because it is almost free etc.

Steroids are also increasing so soon all men will need to look like 100 kg ripped clones to even get a fat woman on tinder, (almost no joke)

Where are you based?

 

[Milano]

Thanks. I had never lost anyone That close. No one mourned for longer than 1 day, my 1st dog, they all slightly hurt. I can't get over how complete strangers have expressed their empathy/sympathy. I'm like, "how did you know my dad died?" and he/she'd say, "oh, the people who filled in for you (at work) told me." Of course, any mention of my loss at that time made me start breaking up and crying. I really should have taken more time off of work, but people told me (including my mom) that I should get back to work ASAP to get my mind off it (and they were right). That first morning though (only 2 hrs sleep), my brothers came to pick me up to go to my dad's house and start cleaning it out (because we all live more than a thousand miles away), I could not function and they were about to take me back to my mom's. It didn't hurt them as much (they are both married with children and were not as in contact with my dad and I was the youngest). I said only 1 of 3 things I'd wanted to say while he was alive there at the end, only had one minute. I thought of the other after we went back into the room after he'd passed. My brothers didn't make it in time to be there with him at the end, but they had time with him for one week up until 7 hours before it went south.

Feel for you bro. Lost my mom to cancer in my early twenties while I was very depressed. Remember sitting alone in the room that night at the hospital and suddenly the heart monitor let go. Had to call the rest of the family, what a thing to go through right.