Christmas

[zekko]

My longtime girlfriend turned 40 this year, so I can no longer claim that I have never banged anyone 40 or above. My how time flies. Oh well. Anyway:

I spend Christmas with her family Sunday. She has a large family, and like me, she has several older siblings. And they have kids of their own, who have married and have kids of their own. But unlike my family, there's one very unusual thing about her family: No one in her family has been divorced. I think that's a rare and impressive feat in this day and age, and I have to wonder how they managed it.

I saw several groups of young, attractive women and their husbands, raising their little familes. Maybe it won't last. The manosphere would suggest that most or all of these guys are beta chumps, but it's hard for me to believe that in light of their track record. I'm not the type of guy who is going to trust a woman enough to marry her, and I've never wanted children, not really. But wanting a family and building your own family is not something that I'm going to disrespect. I'm not going to belittle these guys by calling them beta faggots or some other nonsense, just because it isn't my chosen lifestyle.

But how are they succeeding? I think one key is that they have children, and make the family the focus. Having the children means they are both working toward the same goal. Of course, this won't stop a lot of women from pulling the plug. If it did, we wouldn't have so many single mothers. But I still think that's part of it.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

My longtime girlfriend turned 40 this year, so I can no longer claim that I have never banged anyone 40 or above. My how time flies. Oh well. Anyway:

I spend Christmas with her family Sunday. She has a large family, and like me, she has several older siblings. And they have kids of their own, who have married and have kids of their own. But unlike my family, there's one very unusual thing about her family: No one in her family has been divorced. I think that's a rare and impressive feat in this day and age, and I have to wonder how they managed it.

I saw several groups of young, attractive women and their husbands, raising their little familes. Maybe it won't last. The manosphere would suggest that most or all of these guys are beta chumps, but it's hard for me to believe that in light of their track record. I'm not the type of guy who is going to trust a woman enough to marry her, and I've never wanted children, not really. But wanting a family and building your own family is not something that I'm going to disrespect. I'm not going to belittle these guys by calling them beta faggots or some other nonsense, just because it isn't my chosen lifestyle.

But how are they succeeding? I think one key is that they have children, and make the family the focus. Having the children means they are both working toward the same goal. Of course, this won't stop a lot of women from pulling the plug. If it did, we wouldn't have so many single mothers. But I still think that's part of it.

They have the support of other couples who work well together. That's one way. If you wanted to have a family, this is they type of female you NEED. Look at her EXAMPLE.

 

[Scars]

A prime example of social influences. If no one in the family has been divorced, and if they hang around other healthy couples, then it keeps them on track. Most women come from broken homes, and have ****ty friends. They get that "**** that guy, you can do better" mentality pumped into their brains constantly. "Come on girl, lets have a girls night". Blah blah blah.. typical American woman bull****. My baby mama fell victim to it.. she got a new job, starting hanging around the wrong friends (my fault for not meeting and filtering these bitches from the beginning) and then also being influenced by her older sisters, who all have had failed relationships. "Let's go be single and have fun. **** men" mentality. They literally enable each other.. they do stupid ****, and rationalize to each other why their actions are ok. Let me to tell you, once a woman is fed enough of this garbage, it doesn't matter whether you have kids or not. You see, woman are selfish creatures. They can claim all day their kids "are their world" and "number one priority" but deep down, all they really care about is their own feelings. Even if it's at the expense of their children.

Anyway. To answer your question, it looks like this woman hasn't been too brainwashed by her family/friends/society quite yet. But that doesn't mean she is a unicorn, all that can change quite quickly.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I sincerely doubt most of my married friends will get divorced, they married young (early 20s) with conservative and/or Christian women that deeply desired to be married and neither parties have the desire or will to divorce or even risk divorce with poor behavior. None of the people involved are perfect people by any stretch but they have the desire and ability to fix problems and adapt to situations. 100% stability rate.

Among the men who got married older, like late 20s...they too married conservative family oriented women for the most part. In one case, the guy is a douche so he will probably cheat. Probably 75% stability rate.

Then of the unmarried friends... there are few dating some decent women but really you see how bad the game is. There's no doubt in my mind that if and when 90% of these guys -myself included - marry, it will end in divorce.

The game STINKS

 

[zekko]

Let me to tell you, once a woman is fed enough of this garbage, it doesn't matter whether you have kids or not.

Yeah, there are a lot of trashy women out there who have kids. Some of them seem to view having children as creating income streams - either from the government or by ensnaring another father to pay support. Certainly these women have no hesitation about getting a divorce just because they have kids.

I wasn't asking about my girlfriend either, I was just wondering how it is that her family has managed to escape the divorce epidemic. It's so widespread in the US. I guess if girls were raised right, value the family, and are invested in being a part of it, they are less likely to divorce.

 

[Reykhel]

The irony of those who say ltr's are "the woman's frame" and men who choose to be in ltr's are "beta phaggots" (well there's one who spews it out ad verbum) and then go one regurgitating with venom what they've read in the Rational Male like indoctrined cult followers, is that the Rational Male was written by a MARRIED MAN.

So aren't they really calling Rollo, the author of THE red pill book, a codependent beta phaggot?

The mind boggles.

Spinning plates should mould her into your frame. She is then a guest in your world, not the other way around. To then go and label that "the woman's frame" shows a real lack of world experience and basic intelligence. It reveals insecurty from a lone wolf.

Everyman is free to choose whatever SEXUAL STRATEGY that suits him.

We should really be offering advise or experience based on the poster's chosen SEXUAL STRATEGY, and not mocking his choice because it's not the same as ours. "Oh you don't spin plates? That's just laziness!! You lazy beta phaggot!!"

Lazy? Nah it's just different priorities. Some men care more about their careers, money, hobbies, health and finess, friends and social life than dealing with multiple women!! Some men prefer to make persuing multiple women their main priority!! It's all good!!

 

[logicallefty]

I have watched couple after couple I know and said "That is the couple that is going to make it for the long haul!" only to later see that they split and/or the woman misbehaved. But they darn near all have ONE thing in common; when the sh|t hits the fan, its when the woman is in her MID THIRTIES..

Based on the totality of what I have observed I really truly think that having kids dont hold a family together - in fact, it may help make the woman decide to leave because kids = free money. Also, having a Christian background don't mean sh|t. Many Christians I know do the "Ala' Carte" bible thing where they pick and choose parts to follow and then dust the other under the rug.. Don't believe me? Go up to a Christian woman you know and ask her what she thinks about Ephesians 5:22 where a "wife shall submit to her husband".

I truly believe that if a man wants a successful marriage he must either

1) Get with the woman very early like late teens or early 20s at the latest, and hold a DIAMOND STRENGTH FRAME the whole time. By that I mean go right up to the edge where she is ALMOST scared of you but not quite scared, not enough to leave, but enough to make that pvssy soaked day after day after day in anticipation of his possible unpredictability
OR

2) Wait until a woman has been through her "30s crap" and get her in early-mid 40s. I mean 30s crap by the fact that women go through some crazy **** in their 30s. I think thats when their emotions get the most out of control, and they get the biggest heads and egos. If a man is with a woman when this starts and she ain't border line afraid of him and he aint paved that diamond strength frame for many years prior, then this is when she is is gonna wonder; cheat and/or leave him. Don't take my word for this, look at the people you know.. You will see the mid thirties variable in not all but the vast majority...