Muhammad Ali vs Mike Tyson both in their prime; Who would win?

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I would think that Ali would use his rope a dope technique to tire Tyson out past round 5 and then take it from there. But Tyson was precision puncher as many call him and was definitely a hard hitter. Just wondering.
 

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My understanding is that Mike was more of an inside fighter. It would all depend on how close he could get very early in the fight.
Tyson is five-ten and Ali was six-three, so that is exactly how it would play out. Five-ten is fairly short for a heavy weight. Being tall is only an advantage in a fight from a distance. As soon as the shorter man closes that distance and get in really close, being tall becomes a disadvantage. Long arms don't swing well in tight spaces.
 

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Tyson is five-ten and Ali was six-three, so that is exactly how it would play out. Five-ten is fairly short for a heavy weight. Being tall is only an advantage in a fight from a distance. As soon as the shorter man closes that distance and get in really close, being tall becomes a disadvantage. Long arms don't swing well in tight spaces.
Agree 100%.
 

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Tyson is five-ten and Ali was six-three, so that is exactly how it would play out. Five-ten is fairly short for a heavy weight. Being tall is only an advantage in a fight from a distance. As soon as the shorter man closes that distance and get in really close, being tall becomes a disadvantage. Long arms don't swing well in tight spaces.
I agree. Tyson was built like a RockEm SockEm robot. He punched up like one too and the results were devastating. My money is on Iron Mike.
 

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I'm a big fan of Ali but i've boxed for a few years and sparred quite a few times. Once a small guy (in-fighter) gets up close and you can't shake him....you're most likely done and going to get knocked out. I've have a dvd of Tyson's matches. All of them. Never seen anyone before or after hit like him. He knocked out most of his opponents first round within 1:30.

We're talking about prime's here as well. Tyson in his prime actually trained and could last atleast a few rounds. Ali would never make it to round 5.
 

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Muhammed Ali definitely.

I'm a tyson fan, but I have to admit Ali would have the advantage. The reason is because despite tysons punching power, Ali proved through previous fights that he could handle it.

This is proven through his fights with earnie shavers, George Foreman. These guys hit harder than tyson, at the very least as hard, yet Ali took the heat.

Therefore, all Ali had to do was to go past 5 rounds with tyson, and pick him apart from there.

Tyson might have been ferocious, but the guy had no stamina, or any willpower past the 5 round mark.

Also, remember it was Ali's speciality to defeat big scary guys like tyson. Apart from the examples I stated before, Ali defeated sonny liston, another tough guy who psyched out his opponents, but Ali still out psyched him and won.

Ali's willpower and toughness was second to none. Even the fighter who gave him most trouble, Joe frazier, lost to him in their final fight. Even fraziers win against Ali in their second fight was not a knockout, it was a long and difficult Road for frazier since he had to go the distance with Ali, something tyson isn't capable of. This was because frazier had more willpower, more stamina than tyson.

Lastly, tyson relied on knocking out opponents to win. If the points I raised above wasn't enough, then you will know that Ali never got knocked out. The guy just wouldn't let anyone win by knockout. He always got up.

Tyson would have to go the distance with Ali, and there's no doubt in my mind that Ali would come on top after it.
 

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I'm a big fan of Ali but i've boxed for a few years and sparred quite a few times. Once a small guy (in-fighter) gets up close and you can't shake him....you're most likely done and going to get knocked out. I've have a dvd of Tyson's matches. All of them. Never seen anyone before or after hit like him. He knocked out most of his opponents first round within 1:30.

We're talking about prime's here as well. Tyson in his prime actually trained and could last atleast a few rounds. Ali would never make it to round 5.
I mean there were definitely some hard hitters before Tyson's time i.e. Joe Louis, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Rocky Marciano (who was only one of two boxer in history I believe who won every single fight, the other being Floyd Mayweather, but he fights like a complete coward), and Earnie Shavers who, according to everyone who faced him, hit harder than any other boxer ever. Tyson was a hard hitter, but his blows were very precise and hit in the most perfect of places.

Ali has faced people similar to Iron Mike and beat them. But Tyson was without a doubt the most intense fighter I've ever seen and while the others may hit like Tyson, they weren't nearly as intense as he was which does cause me to question.
Muhammed Ali definitely.

I'm a tyson fan, but I have to admit Ali would have the advantage. The reason is because despite tysons punching power, Ali proved through previous fights that he could handle it.

This is proven through his fights with earnie shavers, George Foreman. These guys hit harder than tyson, at the very least as hard, yet Ali took the heat.

Therefore, all Ali had to do was to go past 5 rounds with tyson, and pick him apart from there.

Tyson might have been ferocious, but the guy had no stamina, or any willpower past the 5 round mark.

Also, remember it was Ali's speciality to defeat big scary guys like tyson. Apart from the examples I stated before, Ali defeated sonny liston, another tough guy who psyched out his opponents, but Ali still out psyched him and won.

Ali's willpower and toughness was second to none. Even the fighter who gave him most trouble, Joe frazier, lost to him in their final fight. Even fraziers win against Ali in their second fight was not a knockout, it was a long and difficult Road for frazier since he had to go the distance with Ali, something tyson isn't capable of. This was because frazier had more willpower, more stamina than tyson.

Lastly, tyson relied on knocking out opponents to win. If the points I raised above wasn't enough, then you will know that Ali never got knocked out. The guy just wouldn't let anyone win by knockout. He always got up.

Tyson would have to go the distance with Ali, and there's no doubt in my mind that Ali would come on top after it.
Yeah I haven't seen Ali ever get knocked out. He got close to in the Earnie Shavers fight because he got too ****y, but he still won that fight. I believe it was Larry Holmes who said that Shavers punched him so hard he knocked him out and woke him up in the same punch haha. The toughest boxer in history is Rocky Marciano imo though. He put passion into every single one of his punches no matter how tired he was and would never show any signs of faltering. Ali would show some signs of a wavering will power occasionally. But yeah I still am leaning more on Ali myself, maybe just because I like him a lot.
 

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I've seen Ali's fights, some of fraziers and no one punched like tyson imo. I've seen many knockouts, TKO's, where you can't get up fast enough for the 10 count. Tyson's were very different. He knocked them the f- out. These guys were sleeping on the floor until woken up after the match was over. Tyson literally lifts off the floor with some much speed in force for some of his one punch knockouts.




Tyson was not a boxer, he just knocked people out. When you watch those videos of other heavy hitters, they're completely different from Tyson. In the real world, no ropes I'm still confident Ali would win. But cage Ali with an explosive animal like Tyson, and Tyson has significant advantage. You guys can watch these videos and decide.
 

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I've seen Ali's fights, some of fraziers and no one punched like tyson imo. I've seen many knockouts, TKO's, where you can't get up fast enough for the 10 count. Tyson's were very different. He knocked them the f- out. These guys were sleeping on the floor until woken up after the match was over. Tyson literally lifts off the floor with some much speed in force for some of his one punch knockouts.




Tyson was not a boxer, he just knocked people out. When you watch those videos of other heavy hitters, they're completely different from Tyson. In the real world, no ropes I'm still confident Ali would win. But cage Ali with an explosive animal like Tyson, and Tyson has significant advantage. You guys can watch these videos and decide.
Tyson had great aim which is why his punches were so devastating. But if others had gotten a shot off like that by some of the other big names they may have been similarly knocked out cold.
 

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Tyson would have knocked Ali the fvck out.

Most of Ali's opponents during his prime were dudes who smoked a pack of cigarettes before they fought, or were otherwise paid to throw their fights (ie sonny liston in `65).

Tyson was a far superior infighter to frazier (who beat muhammad) and during his prime was exceptionally well conditioned.. he would have no problem going full rounds with anybody the thing is his power was so devastatingly explosive he usually didn't have to.

Tyson at his prime was the greatest most explosively powerful boxer ever. Would have loved to see him do stuff like this to ali or any motherfvcker who crossed his path:


and his defensive skills were second to none:


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Yeah that's actually a really good point about smoking. They conditioned and trained well but they still lived in an era where people believed smoking was healthy haha. And Tyson was the most explosive fighter I've ever seen. The only problem though is that I haven't really seen many of his fights when he was physically conditioned at his best. Tyson also snorted cocaine before all his fights too so that definitely could have given him a strong edge too.
 

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I think Ali was smart , superfit (even by boxers standards) and very fast for a heavy weight but he only ever got good in the clinch at the end of his career. Mike lived for the clinch and had such god defence and strength that he could take the hits to get in there. Ali was a little light for a heavyweigjt by modern standards.
I think Tyson would have won if Ali wasn't able to keep him at a distance. Ali would have won on points not TKO if he had been able to keep him at range.
 

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I was watching a DVD set of Tyson's career a while back.

I think that earlier in his career, he was the best heavyweight boxer in history.

His speed, power, and movement were unstoppable.

Watching his later fights against the likes of Lennox Lewis were frustrating. He was relying on power by that point. His movement was gone.

The prison sentence screwed him up.

At his best, I'd fancy him over anyone.
I think Ali was smart , superfit (even by boxers standards) and very fast for a heavy weight but he only ever got good in the clinch at the end of his career. Mike lived for the clinch and had such god defence and strength that he could take the hits to get in there. Ali was a little light for a heavyweigjt by modern standards.
I think Tyson would have won if Ali wasn't able to keep him at a distance. Ali would have won on points not TKO if he had been able to keep him at range.
Ali was great at the beginning too. He never got tired ever and probably hit harder then than before. deesade brings up a good point though. I noticed the same thing with Ali too. After his prison sentence, he got a lot slower and was a lot less quick. He wasn't as strong either and had to play smarter by relying on the other guy to tire out instead of his own physical prowess to conquer others. It's almost as if Tyson and Ali never had a prime.
 

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I saw them both (not in person), and I would pick Ali. Ali was a great boxer, and he was smart. He would figure out a way to beat you. Plus he had that great reach. I think he would keep Tyson at bay with his jab, and avoid the knockout punch with his feet. Plus he was good at protecting himself when he had to. I don't see Tyson ending it early, and you would have to think that as the superior boxer, the advantage would go to Ali the longer it went on.
 

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As long as we're talking Ali in his prime, I would pick him. If you watch some of his earliest fights, his speed was absolutely stunning. He lost that relatively early. He was relatively light for his weight class, was not a strong puncher by any means, and was far from accurate.

But in his prime, he would have beat Tyson. He would have kept Tyson chasing him, Tyson would have become frustrated and would lose his precision, and Ali would have moved in for the kill after taking his usual beating to the body.

Non-prime, taking into account the average conditioning of both as they showed up for fights, it would be Tyson. He usually showed up fit while Ali occasionally got lazy in his training.

Tyson was a hothead, and a hothead can usually be beaten by an intelligent strategist like Ali. Again, only in his prime though.
 

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Tyson would have knocked Ali the fvck out.

Most of Ali's opponents during his prime were dudes who smoked a pack of cigarettes before they fought, or were otherwise paid to throw their fights (ie sonny liston in `65).

Tyson was a far superior infighter to frazier (who beat muhammad) and during his prime was exceptionally well conditioned.. he would have no problem going full rounds with anybody the thing is his power was so devastatingly explosive he usually didn't have to.

Tyson at his prime was the greatest most explosively powerful boxer ever. Would have loved to see him do stuff like this to ali or any other motherfvcker who crossed his path:


and his defensive skills were second to none:


Tyson's prime didn't last long, but while he reigned he was the most dangerous, electrifying boxer I ever had the privilege of watching.

God I love boxing.
Finally a voice of reason. One of the things that made Tyson great was his head movement called the peak a boo. He was taught this style under Cuz D'Amato and DAmato stressed this more than other trainers. But contrary to popular belief Tyson was good on the inside but that wasnt his greatest strength. Because the essence of his style under D'Amato was the panic, the slip, and the counter. And because of his short height he was forced to employ these maneuvers to get "inside". But after the death of D,Amato he fell prey to his own type of being a power puncher and instead of him using his head movement the way he was taught and waiting for an opening he began to "hunt" and he paid the price by letting himself get tied up like Larry Holmes did. My personal opinion is that if Damato hadn't died and lived 5-10 years longer. Tyson most Likely would have retired undefeated.
 
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