Do older guys really get opportunities for social life + debauchery like younger guys do?

[Listen_to_Olly]

Assuming both guys are objectively of a higher value. While this isn't exclusively about women and dating, it's more about the craziness that comes with the experience. I was in a fraternity during my college days but I went to a school where the party scene wasn't really that big and Greek Life not as important. My friends I've made went to places like Florida St, Texas St, and one who went to Texas Tech.

A lot of them have some wild stories about Greek Life, crazy party experiences, and some even have the videos and pics to prove their sh*t.

I guess it's all about personality right? Some of us prefer the quiet and suave James Bond type of life where the sex happens but the situation isn't as wild. Others, like me, prefer something loud and crazy like Neighbors with Zac Efron and all of the drunken wild situations.

Some prefer a quiet get together with a small group while people like me prefer big parties, large get togethers, and all of that craziness.

I feel like when you're a younger guy, you get a chance for both because of the station you're in. College gives you the opportunity to make a lot of friends who are open to partying hard and you get that opportunity to have that sense of a community. In many cases, you can drink and party hard or you can live a more quiet social life, college grants you both.

Yet I feel as an older guy, people aren't as energetic anymore. I find that in my late 20s, I will have to stick with hanging around 20 somethings in my 30s because people in their 30s are so f-ckin lame. They like to act like "grown ups" by having parties that end at 9 PM and looking down on those that get wasted. Large social get togethers are so "immature" because you "should have done that in college". Partying is frowned upon because it is so "immature".

I have to say, adulthood is really starting to look like a b-tch when you don't have other cool people to enjoy life with. I love to get wasted and get blacked out drunk on some weekends. I love having parties with tons of people over that love to get wasted and a lot of hot girls over to that party as well. I love to all of the debauchery that some of the rich kids in college engaged in.

Yet I feel like as an older guy, the opportunities for that rarely exist, at least not in America. You're supposed to get all of the craziness and social life out of your system in college and then "grow up". I mean sure, you can sleep with random women but it just isn't the same as having a lot of cool guys to party with, have fun experiences involving alcohol, AND sleep with random women as the result of it.


I've had arguments with @bigneil over this issue at times too, he thinks I am some feminist when I am not.

What is your take?

Do older guys get less of a chance for debauchery and social life than their younger counterparts do?

I always imagined an older player being like the quiet James Bond type while a younger player is a Zac Efron from Neighbors type, I prefer the latter.

 

[Mike32ct]

Let me put it this way, the older guy's game does get, shall we say, "watered down" over time. Mature guys are expected to carry ourselves with some class. That's fine, but it means that some of the aggressive and outrageous game tactics that a young guy can use are no longer available to us. At 40, I can't walk into a club and start grinding my junk on a female's rear or randomly approach and ask if she's a "moaner'' or a "screamer" or "If both of you had a business together, who would be the madam and who would be the call girl*?"

*I miss the madam/call girl routine. Haven't used it since 2010. Might still try it at a bar for old time's sake lol.

 

[fastlife]

New Orleans
Austin
Vegas
LA
NYC
Miami

The first 3 cities are all reasonably* affordable.

Countless college towns & pockets of this lifestyle in every decent-sized city in America (at least on the coasts). Even in smaller towns, you can find bars & breastaurants where you can have this lifestyle on a smaller scale.

But first you need to let go of some idealized notion of a past you missed. You need to let go of some idealized stereotype from the movies lol. You'll need to cold approach & network & you'll need to probably relocate--it'll never be as easy as when you're in college or high school (but college girls are still plenty easy).

 

[bigneil]

Do older guys get less of a chance for debauchery and social life than their younger counterparts do? I always imagined an older player being like the quiet James Bond type while a younger player is a Zac Efron from Neighbors type, I prefer the latter.

Wait, Olly is asking whether Fifty Shades of Grey is actually about a 20 year old guy?

Consider: when I handcuffed her and blindfolded my date last month, she told me how much fun it was and that nobody had ever done that to her yet. She experienced her first vaginal orgasm with me, her first oral (only) orgasm (from a man) and her first multiple orgasm. Tell me: what would a younger guy have got to experience that I didn't (besides her frustration with his lack of skill)? Why didn't younger guys give her orgasms? Isn't the idea that she is more attracted to them?

Another date was into choking but that was too much for me.

No, in reality, older men with more experience will get to do things with girls that younger men only dream of.

 

[bigneil]

Assuming both guys are objectively of a higher value.

Translation: assuming the son has access to daddy's bank account.

I always imagined an older player being like the quiet James Bond type while a younger player is a Zac Efron from Neighbors type, I prefer the latter.

You're assuming Zac Effem is as popular as James Bond??

 

[Red Legg]

I am 45 and retired military and bounce back and forth between the U.S. and the Philippines, I am full of debauchery much more so than my younger days.

 

[skinnyguy]

I'll say this: the college lifestyle you can never get back again.

I used to wake up at 10 am and go to bed at around 3 am, every day. Puss was everywhere, especially when I lived in the dorms. And girls were always in your classes, or at the library. You had access to puss 24/7.

In the "working world", it's highly inappropriate to hit on women at work, and most are married anyway. I can only game outside of work. Since I work about 70 hours a week that usually happens on the weekend, if I'm not to tired to go out.

Basically if you're over 25 you need to hit OLD or do daygame or both. Unless you have a very wide social circle. But my social circle collapsed after college and I never recovered. Hanging out with a coworker at happy hour isn't the same as partying at a house with 20 of your friends and not giving a sh*t about anything.

In my 40's, the number of available women will shrink even further. Not to mention a lot of the women who are single will be divorced. I wish I still had access to college women. I don't know what to do other than daygame on college campuses.

 

[bigneil]

Hanging out with a coworker at happy hour isn't the same as partying at a house with 20 of your friends and not giving a sh*t about anything.

It is when you own the house.

And btw - thank you for not bringing 20 of your friends (18 of whom are men). Let me guess: you've never gone out by yourself.

 

[Trainwreck]

Depends on your situation and how you shape your path.

 

[bigneil]

I'll say this: the college lifestyle you can never get back again.

Indeed, I don't miss having sex next to a wild raccoon, indoor ant colony and 12 ounce beer can collection. Though I was 19 and she was 18. I can't deny that part was great. Now that I'm 46, I have to settle for women who are considerably older than 18. My last 4 girls (all since October) were 19, 20, 21 and 22.

 

[casanova_goat]

Why does bigneil think you are a feminist? A guy in his late 20s pining for the raucous college parties of yore ... um, I don't know where to draw feminist from that? Speaking of the college life that you and most of the guys here knew and feminism -- it must be scary to be a young testosterone-charged guy these days, pretty much anything you do or say to co-eds is construed as rape. We're lucky we got what we got before it got crazy.

Anyhow -- I admit I'm a lot like you. While I never fully experienced the college life (went locally for a free ride as my parents taught at the University), there was nonetheless something magical about those times. First time getting a buzz, having sex, etc. It's hard to ever outgrow the longing for youth, when you lived with your dreams, reveled in your indiscretion, boners were more compliant. I'm in my early-30s and I go out pretty much every weekend. I could pass for someone in his 20s, so don't think I don't play that up while I can. Last night I met a chick who was turning 22, she asked me what my age was and I joked "17". In her inebriation, she believed me. I clearly do not look 17. Until I told her the truth, she refused to speak with me on the grounds that I was too young for her. She kept lamenting how old she was. Life is really a matter of perspective. Back when I turned 22, I felt old, too. Now 22 is so young and I'm envious of any guy who is. As I age, I always remind myself that to someone much older, even in my early 30s, I am a baby. Some incontinent geezer in a nursing home would trade his left desiccated nut to be the age of any one of us.

OP -- If an Old School life is what you yearn for, don't be ashamed of it. Many guys do. Just because some douches like to go to wine and cheese parties and retire at 9pm, it doesn't mean they're more "mature."

And you're still in your 20s, I think you still have cultural "license" to be as wild as you want to be.

 

[bigneil]

I am a baby. Some incontinent geezer in a nursing home would trade his left desiccated nut to be the age of any one of us. OP -- If an Old School life is what you yearn for, don't be ashamed of it. Many guys do. Just because some douches like to go to wine and cheese parties and retire at 9pm, it doesn't mean they're more "mature." And you're still in your 20s, I think you still have cultural "license" to be as wild as you want to be.

You sound like a girl. How are those man boobs? Are you a C cup yet? Cut down on the tofu and get a job.

 

[bigneil]

I'm 45 and can usually get what I want from women. Have fvucked over 50 in my lifetime and 40 or so of those I've fvucked within the past 10 years.

Still no threesome (or foursomes) yet but I've had several agree to it and I have 100% certainty that I'll experience it when I'm ready to go after it.

Age is just an excuse. I'm currently more ripped and muscular than most 20-somethings. Combine that with a lifetime of experience and I'm just downright solid when it comes to gaming them.

When I explained to my date the other night (age 21) that I was surprised to find myself having more opportunities with young beauties now than ever, she said "You're in your prime. 45 - 55 are the best years for a man". She is totally correct. 50 is the peak of a man's overall power (he earns more but physically gets old after that so it declines). I'm tired of young guys here trying to celebrate themselves at the expense of their own futures. What part about "it gets better" do they disagree with? Millennials insist on being told they are perfect now.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

Got separated at 52 after almost 30 years of marriage. Had always kept myself in good shape. Partied (including everything that goes along with that) hard for about 4 years.

On many week nights closed down my favorite dive bar then drug myself to work after 2 or 3 hours sleep. Most of the parties I went to were with people in their 20's and 30's.

Have backed it down now. But had a great time during those years.

-Augustus-

 

[casanova_goat]

When I explained to my date the other night (age 21) that I was surprised to find myself having more opportunities with young beauties now than ever, she said "You're in your prime. 45 - 55 are the best years for a man". She is totally correct. 50 is the peak of a man's overall power (he earns more but physically gets old after that so it declines). I'm tired of young guys here trying to celebrate themselves at the expense of their own futures. What part about "it gets better" do they disagree with? Millennials insist on being told they are perfect now.

"It gets better" in certain respects: wages, wisdom, experience but not in others. You're receiving this confirmation from a woman who is part of a unique breed of women partial to guys much older than they are. There are many college aged women who like older guys but most girls around that age would never accept such an age disparity. Even if the older dude has his $hit together.

Typically older men possess a certain maturity that their younger counterparts do not, but you can't say some young ripped guy with ambition or nascent success wouldn't have a much wider dating pool of willing young women.

My geezer comment before was a bit harsh in the interest of being humorous. I respect my elders and I am sad for my generation and the one which follows me. I just have a hard time believing getting women will become easier for me as I advance in my 30s and into my 40s. If it does, it will only be in relief of how much of a failure I was in my younger years.

 

[bigneil]

Thanks for asking that ho you know, casanova_goat. Or wait, are you the girl?

In any event, you don't get to be/ask a woman and undo the fact I've rolled with women half my age for 5+ years. There is a lot of that here. Desperate 30-something women (probably single moms on welfare) who think they can reverse-engineer the reality that they want: namely that they can have a man their age. See EyeBRollin. But men their age think they are old now, and those women have been hoeing themselves out since they were 15. Hence, women 30+ need to consider dating men around age 50.

Money > Abs. And I have both.

 

[casanova_goat]

I don't dismiss the fact or begrudge you of your success with much younger women. All I'm saying is that college aged women who would go out with a guy twice her age are more the exception than the rule.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I don't dismiss the fact or begrudge you of your success with much younger women. All I'm saying is that college aged women who would go out with a guy twice her age are more the exception than the rule.

Unless your an actor or musician

 

[casanova_goat]

Unless your an actor or musician

Yeah there's definitely extreme cases. Doesn't mean, as an older guy, you shouldn't try. You never know if the chick would be inclined.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Yeah there's definitely extreme cases. Doesn't mean, as an older guy, you shouldn't try. You never know if the chick would be inclined.

You'd have to be a top attractive guy in a environment she's in.