Surrounded by beta orbiters

[TheMonkeyKing]

As some will know I recently moved house to a much more social part of town. I'd say the majority local age demographic is 24-35.

The area is well known for the arts and obviously with this comes plenty of women. Great.

But of course, with this lot come not only a hard core of neo feminists, but also tidal wave of effeminate men following their every move. You do see the odd masculine guy around, but they are usually musicians and the like.

Though visual art is something of a strength, I am no dramatic artist by any means. I grew up with and have associated mostly with alphas my whole life.

I simply don't know how to behave or interact around these chatty, flamboyant, try hard men and to be quite frank, I'm determined not to ever find out.

Obviously I'll continue to explore and visit other areas and venues. I've only been here a month.

The questions being; does anyone have experience of this and how did they deal with it? What tells maintain a masculine aura, while also being able to stand out and make head way, in an environment dominated by this type of feminine energy from both 'men' and women?

 

[fastlife]

I mostly game in an area of my city that's dominated by an arts school (almost no straight men), military bros, and tourists. Something to keep in mind, the more urban you get, the more important SOCIAL dominance becomes as a determinate of Alpha status. The military guys, who are far more conventionally masculine, blow themselves out over and over again.

Betas are betas, but in an urban environment there's more social pressure (if the crowd turns against you, it's a big crowd) and real estate becomes a more valued commodity. The quickest way to set yourself apart without overdoing it is to 1.) Take up space, 2.) Be loud (work on tonality to where your voice cuts space without overdoing it), 3.) Qualify everybody (Who are you? How do you know each other? etc.), 4.) Keep your eyes up. Betas, in cities, usually have closed-off body language, speak unobtrusively, qualify readily, and keep their eyes down. I get tons of approaches in a bar just by being the guy whose eyes are available for contact or who women have to walk around to get where they're going.

Pea-c0cking goes further in those environments--it's why cities generate fashion. Use this to your advantage.

I simply don't know how to behave or interact around these chatty, flamboyant, try hard men and to be quite frank, I'm determined not to ever find out.

Big mistake. You have to be the guy who can make his environment work for him (whether cooperatively or winning via competition). I get a lot of mileage from being social with everybody; though some of it is competition. Gay guys always know hot girls--they'll come up, flirt with me, decide I'm cool, realize I'm straight and throw their girlfriends at me. With betas, I give them value so they feel good letting me escalate on the girls they know--a lot of these guys have solid minds but weak frames and are still useful people to know. Don't be so uptight and value-protective. If I read that the girl's aren't with them, I'll just go up and say something like, "Wow, you look really bored. I'm fastlife. Do you know this guy?"

With girls, I push the envelope. I use the orbiters for foils--"He'll be glad to buy you a drink. He's probably madly in love with you" or roleplay: "I'm really sensitive. I'm shy. Usually I just sit in a corner and brood"--while making dominant eye contact and using kino. You'll stand out by not accommodating them and having an uapologetically masculine mindset, while being socially calibrated.

Which brings us back to the military guys--when they try to AMOG I just let themselves blow themselves out. There's been a handful of times where they make fun of me for being gay while I'm using their social cluelessness to reinforce my connection with the girl. Or they'll be the guys getting into fights and scaring all the girls off.

Another thing to be wary of is that femininity can only exist in the presence of masculinity. Unattractive art students are some of the most masculine girls I know--behaviorally, at least. If where you are is anywhere like where I am, you'll be ****bl0cked by girls more than anything. And even with the attractive girls, expect massive sh1t tests before they submit (chances are, they've been waiting for a guy to put them in their place but won't quite know what to do with it).

 

[El Payaso]

You don't have to "act" or "behave" in any certain way.

Just continue being yourself and if they don't like it, they can go f*ck themselves.

 

[escaleraroyal]

ElPayso: I disagree, what if someone is really unorganized, and lazy. (I know someone like this)? He cannot behave this way in his professional job. I think there should be a limit how to behave.

 

[El Payaso]

ElPayso: I disagree, what if someone is really unorganized, and lazy. (I know someone like this)? He cannot behave this way in his professional job. I think there should be a limit how to behave.

That's not what I meant. I was referring to the OP saying the people in his current environment are mostly feminized men and feminists so I meant for him to keep up his alpha behavior rather than trying to act beta just to blend in .

 

[oOh Nasty]

What works for me is to be your usual self with your Alpha body language (open body language, taking up space, etc) but be less judgmental.

Let the flamboyant dudes talk loud however they like. Just chill and chime in whenever you feel like it while being earnest. That's usually how I handle being surrounded by these artsy types. In the end, they end up respecting me and asking me a lot of questions (I'm a musician myself). I do want to note however that these guys I've dealt with are pretty moderate. I don't know how I'd react to feminists who get triggered easily.

 

[logicallefty]

You don't have to "act" or "behave" in any certain way.

Just continue being yourself and if they don't like it, they can go f*ck themselves.

Amen to this^. Once you get to the point where you have fully developed this genuine mindset it's a feeling of peace like no other.

 

[sam010101]

You don't have to "act" or "behave" in any certain way.

Just continue being yourself and if they don't like it, they can go f*ck themselves.

HE SOUNDS LIKE HES ONE OF THE TRY HARD BETAS LOL

 

[zekko]

Something you should remember, artists have their own special appeal. I wouldn't just dismiss them as beta. Artists attract women for a variety of reasons, and even have a sort of "bad boy" appeal because many of them are seen as rebels from society, or brooding, conflicted geniuses, that sort of thing. They might live life on their own terms, and are most likely passionate about what they do. Many women respect talent also, and might be attracted to an artist just as she might be attracted to a musician, actor, or sports hero.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

I mostly game in an area of my city that's dominated by an arts school (almost no straight men), military bros, and tourists. Something to keep in mind, the more urban you get, the more important SOCIAL dominance becomes as a determinate of Alpha status. The military guys, who are far more conventionally masculine, blow themselves out over and over again.

Betas are betas, but in an urban environment there's more social pressure (if the crowd turns against you, it's a big crowd) and real estate becomes a more valued commodity. The quickest way to set yourself apart without overdoing it is to 1.) Take up space, 2.) Be loud (work on tonality to where your voice cuts space without overdoing it), 3.) Qualify everybody (Who are you? How do you know each other? etc.), 4.) Keep your eyes up. Betas, in cities, usually have closed-off body language, speak unobtrusively, qualify readily, and keep their eyes down. I get tons of approaches in a bar just by being the guy whose eyes are available for contact or who women have to walk around to get where they're going.

Pea-c0cking goes further in those environments--it's why cities generate fashion. Use this to your advantage.



Big mistake. You have to be the guy who can make his environment work for him (whether cooperatively or winning via competition). I get a lot of mileage from being social with everybody; though some of it is competition. Gay guys always know hot girls--they'll come up, flirt with me, decide I'm cool, realize I'm straight and throw their girlfriends at me. With betas, I give them value so they feel good letting me escalate on the girls they know--a lot of these guys have solid minds but weak frames and are still useful people to know. Don't be so uptight and value-protective. If I read that the girl's aren't with them, I'll just go up and say something like, "Wow, you look really bored. I'm fastlife. Do you know this guy?"

With girls, I push the envelope. I use the orbiters for foils--"He'll be glad to buy you a drink. He's probably madly in love with you" or roleplay: "I'm really sensitive. I'm shy. Usually I just sit in a corner and brood"--while making dominant eye contact and using kino. You'll stand out by not accommodating them and having an uapologetically masculine mindset, while being socially calibrated.

Which brings us back to the military guys--when they try to AMOG I just let themselves blow themselves out. There's been a handful of times where they make fun of me for being gay while I'm using their social cluelessness to reinforce my connection with the girl. Or they'll be the guys getting into fights and scaring all the girls off.

Another thing to be wary of is that femininity can only exist in the presence of masculinity. Unattractive art students are some of the most masculine girls I know--behaviorally, at least. If where you are is anywhere like where I am, you'll be ****bl0cked by girls more than anything. And even with the attractive girls, expect massive sh1t tests before they submit (chances are, they've been waiting for a guy to put them in their place but won't quite know what to do with it).

This was exactly what I wanted! Thanks man. Great knowledge and insight here.
Think part of the issue is that I've only been to half a dozen venues so far, and two of those are old men's pubs, so obviously the crowd has been limited. Gonna start hitting the bars and clubs again in the New Year. These are far closer to my natural scene than the places I've been already.

You don't have to "act" or "behave" in any certain way.

Just continue being yourself and if they don't like it, they can go f*ck themselves.

Amen to this^. Once you get to the point where you have fully developed this genuine mindset it's a feeling of peace like no other.

I know you are both right. I was more wondering about adaptations to these particular situations, evolutions, opposed to changing my whole outlook. To be fair, I'm not one for standing around, nursing one beer for the whole evening, chatting bullsh!t about obscure pop culture anyway.

What works for me is to be your usual self with your Alpha body language (open body language, taking up space, etc) but be less judgmental.

Let the flamboyant dudes talk loud however they like. Just chill and chime in whenever you feel like it while being earnest. That's usually how I handle being surrounded by these artsy types. In the end, they end up respecting me and asking me a lot of questions (I'm a musician myself). I do want to note however that these guys I've dealt with are pretty moderate. I don't know how I'd react to feminists who get triggered easily.

This is also great insight. This is what I've always been like in nearly all my social circles; chilling, chiming in and earnest.

The femos don't bother me so much; insomuch as I just don't bother and tend to just distance myself. Though, t occurs to me that if one could calibrate a kind of SJW-Alpha-hybrid game plan just right, these neo-fems would be among the easiest pickings... that being said, they surely fall in love far too easily.

Something you should remember, artists have their own special appeal. I wouldn't just dismiss them as beta. Artists attract women for a variety of reasons, and even have a sort of "bad boy" appeal because many of them are seen as rebels from society, or brooding, conflicted geniuses, that sort of thing. They might live life on their own terms, and are most likely passionate about what they do. Many women respect talent also, and might be attracted to an artist just as she might be attracted to a musician, actor, or sports hero.

Also very true. Though the guys I mention mostly aren't musicians; they problem guys are the male groupie types, the worst kind of men. Talentless wonders who sponge life out of anything and everything with their mundane cliched conversation. The male equivalent of a gold digger. Might try some life drawing classes as to showcase my own talents; I'll get to see some naked flesh whatever happens