Somewhat blunt advice for minorities.

[Listen_to_Olly]

Since race does come up every now and then, I'll post this, even though some might call me a racist for it.

When it comes to race, whether it is due to the fear of being called a racist or just being naive, the experts kinda side step the discussion about it. You get the generic "be the best version of yourself" posts as well as the "you can't change it so don't worry about it" type of nonsense. I am not a minority myself but I've had friends of various races to know that race can definitely be a setback. I've seen friends of various races have success and friends of various races fail hard. That and I am in a charitable mood when it comes to advice since the Nittany Lions are now Big 10 champs!

My advice more geared towards guys of minority groups that aren't black so that includes Hispanics, Asians, and Arab Middle Easterns. It can apply to black guys but I've noticed they don't have as much struggle with women in American society as other minorities might.

It absolutely matters.

Regardless of how handsome, charismatic, and cool you are; certain kinds of girls will refuse to go for you solely based on your race. I find that this has to do with social standing in most cases, girls that run in social circles where dating a minority can hurt their social image are going to avoid you. Now depending on where you're at and the kinds of girls you're going after, this can be a pretty big deal or not an issue at all, we will get to that later.

You should probably tell your parents to get lost.

Most Asian, Indian, and Arab dudes I've known have had major issues with overly possessive parents. A lot have had to deal with their parents well past the age of 25 and they just listened to all of their nagging. After a certain age, I'd say 22, it's time to tell mom and dad to leave you alone. I find a lot of guys of foreign cultures who moved to the USA at a young age tend to struggle a lot from this to where their parents won't let them grow up and be independent. Helicopter parenting does lead to guys with confidence issues so maybe your victim mentality stems from that.

No excuses, you have to be the best version of yourself and get over your victim mentality, but that isn't enough. The basic rules for learning game, bettering your appearance, and improving yourself apply but they aren't enough.

If it was giving advice to white guys, be the best version of yourself would be enough but for minorities, that is just the starting part. Whatever insecurities, mental demons, and inner game issues you have; resolve them. You have to get over your victim's mentality, this is especially true for Asian and Indian guys I've met IRL. Life is unfair but you have to find a way to succeed regardless. The world doesn't care about your struggles, however real they may be, they just hate you whining and they want results of what you can do for them.

No one likes a loser who keeps making excuses, even if the excuses are valid, you just have to find a way to make it work for you. You're going to need to be tough to make it through, something I will get to later.

As for your looks, get in shape, this goes for Asian and especially Indian dudes. Get good haircuts and dress in appropriate style for your location, speaking of that......

Your location matters a lot.

I've witnessed this, reasonably higher value guys dating way down in one location while their uglier counterparts were having more success with hotter girls in another. I think location matters when you're a white guy too because some cities and towns are just horrible for almost everyone, it just matters even more when you're a minority. While you should be improving yourself and trying to be the best you can be, you have to put together a plan in order to be in a better location. As for what cities, well you need to do your research there but there are some places that are obviously going to be out of the question.

Miami, Chicago, and Seattle are some cities that come to mind for being good to minorities, you're going to have to find others yourself.

I don't care how much game, swagger, or looks you have in this world; you're probably not going to pull hot blondes as some Pakistani in Kentucky, and speaking of hot blondes.....

Some types of girls are just not going to be attainable for you, especially not the LIKE OMG airhead blondes some of you might go crazy for. Stop wasting your time.

I get it, some of you want to date the latte sipping blonde hottie in order to feel more accepted by mainstream culture. Well, I have some bad news, you're not going to have much luck there at all if you're anything other than a white or maybe a black guy (a mix between the two counts too). A lot of these girls come from judgmental social circles full of AMOG-type dudebros who will do everything to stop her from getting with you and her friends are going to try to talk her out of it too. Many of these girls value social image a lot so they're not going to bother with you.

Hate me all you want, call me a racist, but this is just the truth. Girls from that subculture generally hold a low opinion of guys from minority groups, black guys being the exception to that rule.

Generally speaking, if you're going after white girls who value social image a lot, you're going to have a very rough time as a minority. All other kinds of girls are more or less going to be fair game.

There are plenty that will be open to going for you.

Even if blondes are your thing.

A Pakistani friend of mines had a thing for blonde girls but he wasn't having any luck with the airhead types, guy himself is tall and in good shape but he looks a lot like the dude from the movie Elysium. One day he decides to do night game, says screw it, and just approach any blonde he sees, luckily this is in NYC. He approaches one tall beauty, she had a foreign accent and was from Russia. After a couple of dates, he ended up sleeping with her and dating her. A few months later that didn't work out so he went crazy with night game again, lucked out with this blonde stunner from Denmark, dated her for a while.

My Asian friend has witnessed similar success, he does well with the tall blondes from Europe and has even been with one tall blonde from a small country town in the USA, not the case at all with the stereotypical airhead obsessed with American culture. All that time you wasted going after some airhead from the suburbs, who knows, you could have landed her blonde euro counterpart.

You're probably going to get a lot of **** for having success and find out what a bunch of hypocrites people are, toughen up and get used to it.

Don't expect society to be happy that you're doing well, expect the opposite and you'll realize that maybe it is not even whites who are racist most of the times.

My Asian friend manages to date cute white girls somewhat often, he gets hate from Asian girls who only go for white guys as well as his Asian aunt who is married to a white guy. Random white washed Asian girls have made racist comments right to his face. One time his aunt tried to get one girl he was dating at the time to leave him and openly said "you can have all the white men in the world you want, why bother him?". I could also get into how much hate he has to deal with from other Asian guys as well as guys from other minority groups saying racist things right to his face.

While talking to my Asian friend, he joked, if you want to get a good litmus test of race relations in American society, be a minority and start dating a cute white girl. My friend can deal with it though, because he is tough, most wouldn't be able to.

 

[SmooveMooves]

Good post.

Summed up everything for the minority trolls.

 

[Trainwreck]

I'm quite sick of these minority threads. I'm sick of the trolls and I'm sick of the toxic advice white men give to minorities about interracial dating. No offense, but it honestly offends me when you tell me I'm wrong because you saw Kevin Gates of some rapper with a white girl on TV. Despite the fact I've been told "You are cute for a black guy" or just outright ignored my whole life. The fact is that white men do have a clear advantage in the dating over minorities and that is mainly due to historical factors that cannot be changed. The reason these threads keep getting made is because y'all constantly give minorities horrible advice,accuse them of being crazy, and tell them to stfu. When these guys realize it's bullshvt, they come back more frustrated than ever. My advice is either to ban these topics to prevent the spread of toxic advice or just make a separate board for minorities.

 

[Roober]

I'm quite sick of these minority threads. I'm sick of the trolls and I'm sick of the toxic advice white men give to minorities about interracial dating. No offense, but it honestly offends me when you tell me I'm wrong because you saw Kevin Gates of some rapper with a white girl on TV. Despite the fact I've been told "You are cute for a black guy" or just outright ignored my whole life. The fact is that white men do have a clear advantage in the dating over minorities and that is mainly due to historical factors that cannot be changed. The reason these threads keep getting made is because y'all constantly give minorities horrible advice,accuse them of being crazy, and tell them to stfu. When these guys realize it's bullshvt, they come back more frustrated than ever. My advice is either to ban these topics to prevent the spread of toxic advice or just make a separate board for minorities.

What he said! Goes against everything in the bible... Bible is basically.. make yourself a better man and you will have better success with women.

Some struggles I see are...
language barriers - this is up to the person to work on that, or they can target people that speak their native language
cutlural differences - if fresh from a different country, they may still have customs that don't match western culture

Both of these can be fixed if the individual wants to do it

 

[Trainwreck]

Make yourself better in factors you can control and adapt to your surroundings. White men have militarily/economic dominated the world for the past two centuries, so idk how some of y'all find it so hard to believe that this got passed down in the dating game. I know for a fact a white version of me would kill it in the dating game, but I can't do anything about it but accept the cards I was delt with and make myself better for myself only.

 

[skinnyguy]

Excellent post. Since this is a race thread, it will get taken down by the mods within 24 hours. But I really wanted to echo a few things that you pointed out. As an ethnic minority, here are my tips:

1) Know which types of girls are attracted to you. I wasted 10 years of my life chasing slvts. I didn't realize that they really did NOT like indian guys, much less ones like me who aren't buff. Instead I went after them because I thought they were hot. White, Latin, and Asian slvts will NOT go after Indian guys and it's no use trying. I've changed my game a lot recently.

2) Need to have a lot of guy friends first. For my entire 20's, I was this lonely guy who had no friends and went out alone. Spent a ton of money with literally no results. Rather than going online for girls, I should have been finding guy friends and going on trips with them. I stay away from FOB guys because they dry up pvssy really fast. Rather, I try to make friends with white males.

3) Don't act too thirsty. Women can pick up on desperation from miles away, and when you're desperate, you will never get laid.

The other stuff like dumping your parents and working out is obvious. The interesting thing, is that people say "just make yourself better" are actually affirming that Indian guys have it worse. We have to work harder to make ourselves better if we want to date.

I think it's interesting how white guys downplay the racial disparity. Maybe they don't know that literally every one of my female cousins (as well as my sister) has married a white guy and said they would never date an Indian guy. If that doesn't tell them anything, I give up.

 

[BreezyB84]

As an African american, you honestly can't worry about race. You just have to try....You really never know .

 

[Listen_to_Olly]

Well fine then guys, don't even bother to improve yourselves, change your location, or chase women at all. In fact what almost all of you whiners on this thread should do is stay in all day and blame the white man for every single one of your f*cking problems in life.

I've had friends from minority groups who did well, they understand race can be an issue, they just didn't care because that is what strong men do. They knew all of the racism that went on and how rigged the game was, they played it anyways despite being underdogs. What are you going to do when you know you're an underdog? Quit? Yes, YOU guys (talking about @skinnyguy and @Trainwreck) here should quit.

I am going to say what everyone in the room is thinking, you two should just get off this board and not even bother with the game. Don't even bother with any of that self-improvement or chasing women, just give up. I can tell, you don't have what it takes to make it. You do not have what it takes to get hot girls because the truth is, whatever stuf you're hearing from society, hot girls will sh*t test you about it all the time.

One of my Asian friends was told out loud by a hot blonde "sorry I don't do Asians" and she made a small **** gesture in front of him, either of you would have given up then and there and cried home, given up on the game altogether. My Asian friend is still going and has had success until then.

The problem with you guys is that you just don't have the it factor I've seen from minorities that have done well. I even admitted it, there is a lot of racism out there and the deck is strongly stacked against you if you aren't a white guy. You will hear all sorts of racist stuff, have people do everything to stop you from doing well, and have to go through tons and tons of obstacles; you guys don't have what it takes to make it through those.

@skinnyguy I've known women who like Indian guys, especially latin and Asian women, but you would have absolutely zero chance with them whatsoever.

Sometimes, it can be hard to accept that you're just a loser, when you're a minority with low value and low game, you can easily blame it on race.

 

[Listen_to_Olly]

As an African american, you honestly can't worry about race. You just have to try....You really never know .

I'll say this about black guys, they're probably the most alpha of all the minority groups when it comes to dealing with this sort of stuff. I think this is part of the reason why I see black guys having the most success with various amounts of girls from various backgrounds.

When I stayed in Colorado, we had more Hispanics than blacks in my area but you saw way more black guys with hot white girls, hardly any Hispanics.

Compared to black guys, guys of other minority groups (except for maybe some latinos) have a massive cuck complex. Deep down inside, they aren't proud of who they are ethnically and it shows to women while black guys tend to be more prideful of their background. I've had Hispanic friends brag about how much white blood they have in them and Arab friends that bragged about being mistaken for Italian, both scream insecurity and lack of pride.

You could see in a lot of other non-black minority groups, there was this desperation to be as white as possible. A Pakistani friend of mines brags about how light his skin tone is and how easily he can pass for Italian, needless to say, he comes off as insecure and women want nothing to do with him because of that.

I can't exactly put it in words but in most non-black minority groups, I see this desperation of wanting to be as white as possible while having a strong dislike towards your own ethnic background which just drives women (especially white women) away.

Black guys are more prideful in their own ethnic background and come off as confident about it which leads to them having more success with attractive women than any other minority group out there.

 

[AttackFormation]

... One of my Asian friends was told out loud by a hot blonde. ...

I don't get what the deal is with white girls. What's so special about them? they look like anyone else without yoga pants/heels, make-up, fake hair and push-up bra except paler. I think guys like the examples you gave chase them because of their own insecurities, just like you said. They want to find self-esteem in a woman as they don't have any, and they think having a white woman as arm candy is gonna make people respect them. It's really not about the women but themselves.

 

[Listen_to_Olly]

I don't get what the deal is with white girls. What's so special about them? they look like anyone else without yoga pants/heels, make-up, fake hair and push-up bra except paler. I think guys like the examples you gave chase them because of their own insecurities, just like you said. They want to find self-esteem in a woman as they don't have any, and they think having a white woman as arm candy is gonna make people respect them. It's really not about the women but themselves.

They're the main ones who are likely to disqualify you because of your race and in most cases, they are the majority. My friend went to a big university where about 90% of the hottest girls were white, he had to adjust his game to go after them, the catcalling aggressive game that worked with girls from the hood wasn't working too well with them.

If anything, I don't get the hate towards white girls, it's sour grapes most of the times from my experience. I know no one wants to admit it but it's sour grapes on the end of minorities who can't get them and even white guys who can't get them. The same overweight old guy who is landing Asian p-ssy in Thailand won't quite register on the radar of a hot blonde from the suburbs. Sure he will go around talking about how Asian women are so much more feminine or whatever but deep down inside, he is still going to feel inadequate for not being able to land a pretty looking white girl and hate guys that do.

I hate to push the discussion in that direction but white women are simply at the top of the hierarchy, hate it or love, they just are. Of all the races of women, I've found that good looking white women have by far the most options when it comes to men which is why they can act in such classless ways yet still find quality men in their lives. Does not matter what you say or what your preference is, that is just how things are in society.

Some guys will say they prefer latinas, others black girls, and some Asian women but majority of guys prefer white women above all else whether they like to admit or not. White women are the majority, most sought after in society, and generally the pickiest about race.

If you're an Asian dude gaming latinas, black girls, or other Asian girl, you may as well not even worry about your race.

 

[Trainwreck]

They're the main ones who are likely to disqualify you because of your race and in most cases, they are the majority. My friend went to a big university where about 90% of the hottest girls were white, he had to adjust his game to go after them, the catcalling aggressive game that worked with girls from the hood wasn't working too well with them.

If anything, I don't get the hate towards white girls, it's sour grapes most of the times from my experience. I know no one wants to admit it but it's sour grapes on the end of minorities who can't get them and even white guys who can't get them. The same overweight old guy who is landing Asian p-ssy in Thailand won't quite register on the radar of a hot blonde from the suburbs. Sure he will go around talking about how Asian women are so much more feminine or whatever but deep down inside, he is still going to feel inadequate for not being able to land a pretty looking white girl and hate guys that do.

I hate to push the discussion in that direction but white women are simply at the top of the hierarchy, hate it or love, they just are. Of all the races of women, I've found that good looking white women have by far the most options when it comes to men which is why they can act in such classless ways yet still find quality men in their lives. Does not matter what you say or what your preference is, that is just how things are in society.

Some guys will say they prefer latinas, others black girls, and some Asian women but majority of guys prefer white women above all else whether they like to admit or not. White women are the majority, most sought after in society, and generally the pickiest about race.

If you're an Asian dude gaming latinas, black girls, or other Asian girl, you may as well not even worry about your race.

Oh, I understand where you are coming from now. I thought you were just some keyboard warrior white guy that thinks black guys slay pvssy because of what he sees on TV. This is why your friend was able to see results. I'll make a separate topic about this,

 

[PeasantPlayer]

I find white women attractive generally brunettes, its just personal preferences. It may seem like sour grapes, but its not IMO for the most part. Just taking white women off the pedestal

 

[Trunks]

As a Latin guy, let me say this is a great post. As said before, even if circumstances are unfair, your greatest assets are in being adaptable and resilient. Ignore the negative stereotypes, play up the positive ones, don't complain (it is counterproductive even if what you say is true), and go after what you want without giving a f-ck.

Figure out your market, give women what they are looking for, and capitalize on it.

 

[skinnyguy]

Well fine then guys, don't even bother to improve yourselves, change your location, or chase women at all. In fact what almost all of you whiners on this thread should do is stay in all day and blame the white man for every single one of your f*cking problems in life.

I've had friends from minority groups who did well, they understand race can be an issue, they just didn't care because that is what strong men do. They knew all of the racism that went on and how rigged the game was, they played it anyways despite being underdogs. What are you going to do when you know you're an underdog? Quit? Yes, YOU guys (talking about @skinnyguy and @Trainwreck) here should quit.

I am going to say what everyone in the room is thinking, you two should just get off this board and not even bother with the game. Don't even bother with any of that self-improvement or chasing women, just give up. I can tell, you don't have what it takes to make it. You do not have what it takes to get hot girls because the truth is, whatever stuf you're hearing from society, hot girls will sh*t test you about it all the time.

One of my Asian friends was told out loud by a hot blonde "sorry I don't do Asians" and she made a small **** gesture in front of him, either of you would have given up then and there and cried home, given up on the game altogether. My Asian friend is still going and has had success until then.

The problem with you guys is that you just don't have the it factor I've seen from minorities that have done well. I even admitted it, there is a lot of racism out there and the deck is strongly stacked against you if you aren't a white guy. You will hear all sorts of racist stuff, have people do everything to stop you from doing well, and have to go through tons and tons of obstacles; you guys don't have what it takes to make it through those.

@skinnyguy I've known women who like Indian guys, especially latin and Asian women, but you would have absolutely zero chance with them whatsoever.

Sometimes, it can be hard to accept that you're just a loser, when you're a minority with low value and low game, you can easily blame it on race.

As long as you can admit there is racism, I will stop commenting on this thread. The only reason I responded to stuff like this in the first place was that people were saying "Indian guys don't have a disadvantage in the dating game in the United States" which is categorically false. I'm not trying to make excuses, I'm simply trying to point out what is painfully obvious.

 

[Trunks]

As long as you can admit there is racism, I will stop commenting on this thread. The only reason I responded to stuff like this in the first place was that people were saying "Indian guys don't have a disadvantage in the dating game in the United States" which is categorically false. I'm not trying to make excuses, I'm simply trying to point out what is painfully obvious.

Yes there is racism, but it's up to you to go around it, just like everything else in life.

 

[BreezyB84]

Yes there is racism, but it's up to you to go around it, just like everything else in life.

I don't go around it... I face directly...it will be taught and passed down, so you hope you that you meet someone opposite of your skin color who was taught better or realized it themselves.

 

[Trunks]

I don't go around it... I face directly...it will be taught and passed down, so you hope you that you meet someone opposite of your skin color who was taught better or realized it themselves.

Excellent, bring awareness and oppose it, but wh1ning about a disadvantage in dating will not help it go away, it will only make the person complaining look like a sore l0ser.

 

[BreezyB84]

They're the main ones who are likely to disqualify you because of your race and in most cases, they are the majority. My friend went to a big university where about 90% of the hottest girls were white, he had to adjust his game to go after them, the catcalling aggressive game that worked with girls from the hood wasn't working too well with them.

If anything, I don't get the hate towards white girls, it's sour grapes most of the times from my experience. I know no one wants to admit it but it's sour grapes on the end of minorities who can't get them and even white guys who can't get them. The same overweight old guy who is landing Asian p-ssy in Thailand won't quite register on the radar of a hot blonde from the suburbs. Sure he will go around talking about how Asian women are so much more feminine or whatever but deep down inside, he is still going to feel inadequate for not being able to land a pretty looking white girl and hate guys that do.

I hate to push the discussion in that direction but white women are simply at the top of the hierarchy, hate it or love, they just are. Of all the races of women, I've found that good looking white women have by far the most options when it comes to men which is why they can act in such classless ways yet still find quality men in their lives. Does not matter what you say or what your preference is, that is just how things are in society.

Some guys will say they prefer latinas, others black girls, and some Asian women but majority of guys prefer white women above all else whether they like to admit or not. White women are the majority, most sought after in society, and generally the pickiest about race.

If you're an Asian dude gaming latinas, black girls, or other Asian girl, you may as well not even worry about your race.

My experience was opposite of this.. I went to a major university in Idaho and my minority upbringing made me more appealing.. they liked my southern style , my music and in some aspects ,I think they envied it. I could say basically whatever I wanted and it was acceptable .

It wasn't until I got to idaho and this girl told me how in her family, they were forbidden to date black guys.. I won't go into the whole conversation but all I can say that minorities sometimes get unfairly labelled long before they have interactions with some Caucasians.. and that's OK because minorities say certain things about Caucasians.. it goes both ways and either get past the reality or accept. as a minority, you either live with it or you resent people.. I love all women and I love proving them wrong about me.

 

[BreezyB84]

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Excellent, bring awareness and oppose it, but wh1ning about a disadvantage in dating will not help it go away, it will only make the person complaining look like a sore l0ser.

I agree 100%. but most minorities don't know why other races my be opposed to their advances and that's an answer to a question you have to seek out. once you figure it out, it's up to that particular individual to make a choice from there.

I truly don't call it whining and bitching to be honest..it's a whole different world for minorities and I am aware that some people aren't sensitive to that. it is what it is.