Go SHIRTLESS and other Tinder tips

[Shift]

My most recent configuration has me getting a lot more high quality matches than before. I have 3 photos:

Photo 1: Me in a nice shirt and tie, looking away from the camera and not smiling (studies prove women find male faces more attractive in photos where they aren't smiling or making eye contact). It's black and white and I've blurred the background.

Photo 2: Me smiling, looking at the camera. I have a dog in the photo with me, cause girls love dogs.

Photo 3: Me with some friends before going out before Halloween. 2 other guys and one girl. The girl is a hot friend of mine and her arm is locked around mine. This shows both social proof and that I'm desirable to other females.

My profile description simply states my height (I'm fairly tall, 6'1") and where I go to school.

The right photos definitely are everything. Other configurations have not had nearly as good of results.

 

[Roober]

How you guys recommend I handle the kids thing? Do I just say "no"? Or say "yes" and have a picture with them? maybe shows stability? I think it's a lose lose, I guess I could try both ways... Problem is, if I say no, I would have to put some things away at my house, but not a huge deal...

And "divorced" or "single"?

I mean, I am not looking for a relationship, so it doesn't seem like a big deal. I still need to work on my pictures as I am getting mostly HB7 and below looking at my profile. I am thinking something in my work clothes (slacks and dress shirt) since my body is not quite there yet.

 

[Young OG]

How you guys recommend I handle the kids thing? Do I just say "no"? Or say "yes" and have a picture with them? maybe shows stability? I think it's a lose lose, I guess I could try both ways... Problem is, if I say no, I would have to put some things away at my house, but not a huge deal...

And "divorced" or "single"?

I mean, I am not looking for a relationship, so it doesn't seem like a big deal. I still need to work on my pictures as I am getting mostly HB7 and below looking at my profile. I am thinking something in my work clothes (slacks and dress shirt) since my body is not quite there yet.

I'm assuming your talking about POF. Say yes for kids if you have them. You don't want to lie about it. I've had plenty of dates that never even brought it up. Most chicks only look at your pics and skim through the info about you. Don't put any pics of your kids on there or talk about them in the about me section.

Put down single, not divorced.

 

[PantyWhisperer]

Not necessarily. While that may be true to some degree, it's not usually the "showing off" that turns them off. I mean, think about it, if you see a super hot girl in a bikini, would your temptation to hit that suddenly drop off just because she's flaunting it? I don't think women are all that much different in regard to physically attractive men.

What I think turns them off is the fact that 90% of guys who post a shirtless pic are posting selfies of themselves taken in the bathroom mirror, which is why I have often advised against shirtless pics. Pictures like these lack social proof and convey a bit of narcissism, rather than confidence. Shirtless pics should be in natural settings where you would expect someone to be shirtless: the beach, at the pool, bodybuilding competition, etc. Pics like these are almost always taken by someone else, which conveys social proof, lacks narcissism and shows you're out there in the real world having some fun. They're far more welcoming to women, while they still reap the benefit of working on raw, physical attraction.

This is spot on. You totally want the shirtless pic to come of as natural, having it taken in an exotic locale kills two birds with the same stone.
Sunglasses are hit or miss. You can hide the "I'm looking at the camera" aspect a bit, but eyes are super important to women and they want to see them early. I had a "direct look" at the camera taken from a photo session that I had done for a CD that I still haven't finished, that shows my blue eyes and I'm wearing a blue shirt. I almost have a sad look at it was taken from 45 degree above angle, so maybe it's a puppy dog thing.
Or maybe they imagining looking down their bare bellies at me when I'm about to level the vagina buffet.
YMMV.

 

[Roober]

Okie... have been getting a couple responses from 6-7s. Still need new pics...

Girl 1:
Anyway, just looking for some insight... texted with a girl for about 20 mins, at one point, she asked why I ask so many questions, and I said "well. no question here. give me your number. POF texting sucks" Too direct? Anyway, she joked about shoe size, dress size, etc. texted for 10 more mins and I sent "It's been fun. Im going to hit the sack"

I wake up this morning and see "are you"

One thing about OLD is the good practice for text game... cause mine is aweful! I believe there was some interest as she initiated the convo, and random snippets, maybe just not enough? I probably take longer to build rapport than most of you guys, so my text convos may be a bit longer...

Girl 2:
Another one, I opened with "I see your a 49ers fan. We can work with that"... she said "You look at my profile and that is the only good thing you see. thanks!" ... I responded with.. "your in XXX. so you don't have to drive far to my house"...Silence... It's pretty funny since her profile said she likes sarcasm.

 

[PantyWhisperer]

Okie... have been getting a couple responses from 6-7s. Still need new pics...

Anyway, just looking for some insight... texted with a girl for about 20 mins, at one point, she asked why I ask so many questions, and I said "well. no question here. give me your number. POF texting sucks" Too direct? Anyway, she joked about shoe size, dress size, etc. texted for 10 more mins and I sent "It's been fun. Im going to hit the sack"

I wake up this morning and see "are you"

One thing about OLD is the good practice for text game... cause mine is aweful! I believe there was some interest as she initiated the convo, and random snippets, maybe just not enough? I probably take longer to build rapport than most of you guys, so my text convos may be a bit longer...

Another one, I opened with "I see your a 49ers fan. We can work with that"... she said "You look at my profile and that is the only good thing you see. thanks!" ... I responded with.. "your in XXX. so you don't have to drive far to my house"...Silence... It's pretty funny since her profile said she likes sarcasm.

She wanted the physical looks compliment and you failed to deliver. With comedy, timing is everything. The joke response may have played well if you already had some foundation built, but she obviously didn't dig it. She wants you to tell her how beautiful she is. That attention, to them, is even more important than actually making and having a date. Women are thirsty on Social Media and we keep making it worse by feeding it.
I like what you did, actually. She sounds like she could have been needy or a pain in the ass.

 

[Roober]

She wanted the physical looks compliment and you failed to deliver. With comedy, timing is everything. The joke response may have played well if you already had some foundation built, but she obviously didn't dig it. She wants you to tell her how beautiful she is. That attention, to them, is even more important than actually making and having a date. Women are thirsty on Social Media and we keep making it worse by feeding it.
I like what you did, actually. She sounds like she could have been needy or a pain in the ass.

You are referring to the second, or first?

 

[PantyWhisperer]

You are referring to the second, or first?

Kind of both. I personally like the humor in it and deliberately not giving her what she wanted in the second text, but she obviously didn't. I still say that is good though because if she's that demanding already, she'd be a nightmare to deal with. It's kind of like she failed YOUR sh*t test.

 

[Roober]

Got another one last night....

Her: Why are you so serious? (my profile pic is looking at the camera straightfaced)
Me: Cause you weren't with me (cheesy, but it has gotten a response each time... need something better)
Me: Why are you so serious? (all her profile pics are straight faced)
Her: This is my resting bi7ch face. Blame my mom, she gave it to me
Me: Nice! Mom sounds fun. Is she on CMB?

nada...

Also, from the previous girl, how would you have responded to "are you" after I said I was going to bed. Saw it the next day...

 

[PantyWhisperer]

Again, attempts at comedy have failed you via text. Text is like the toughest comedy club room you could ever work. You have to have built a rapport before making playful jokes. Women don't seem to get the humor.

 

[Roober]

Again, attempts at comedy have failed you via text. Text is like the toughest comedy club room you could ever work. You have to have built a rapport before making playful jokes. Women don't seem to get the humor.

Ya. I figured I was being subtle enough... guess I will hold off until I got her on the hook...

 

[AttackFormation]

Ya. I figured I was being subtle enough... guess I will hold off until I got her on the hook...

This is why I preach to fvck them ASAP, because post-fvck is your frame while this "funny guy" trying to make her agree to fvck you is her frame. When you've fvcked a woman, notice how your behavior changes and you relax? you're not this clown guy anymore because the frame has changed. Women know this. They also know what you're about, so you don't need to try to hide it behind an act. Get them out and if they don't wanna go then go on to the next one. Just go for the ones who are clearly open to fvcking you, and if there are none who are, improve your looks and your pictures until there is.

That's not to say you should stop trying to make jokes and stuff, but don't try to become their entertainer. It's a losing game for yourself.

 

[Roober]

This is why I preach to fvck them ASAP, because post-fvck is your frame while this "funny guy" trying to make her agree to fvck you is her frame. When you've fvcked a woman, notice how your behavior changes and you relax? you're not this clown guy anymore because the frame has changed. Women know this. They also know what you're about, so you don't need to try to hide it behind an act. Get them out and if they don't wanna go then go on to the next one. Just go for the ones who are clearly open to fvcking you, and if there are none who are, improve your looks and your pictures until there is.

That's not to say you should stop trying to make jokes and stuff, but don't try to become their entertainer. It's a losing game for yourself.

Noted!

Tried taking a better picture last night, but couldn't get the lighting right. I am pretty average on the looks side of things and can't ever seem to get the right angle. But I will keep trying till I get a good one. Can't highlight the body probably for another 2-3 months. I have some great ones with my exgf, but she is wayyyy to close to crop out... dangit...

 

[Shift]

Got another one last night....

Her: Why are you so serious?

LOL I would have said "kill the Batman"

 

[Juanto]

Guys im unsure about this girl i matched In Tinder, in the sense that Im not sure its really... a girl! Have a look at the pics and Let me know what you think

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6f0gBygU6h6MmlHWXZidE1YTnc

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6f0gBygU6h6OFlQejV1dE1JS1U


https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6f0gBygU6h6djV2dGRCQ2xGQzg

 

[AttackFormation]

Guys im unsure about this girl i matched In Tinder, in the sense that Im not sure its really... a girl! Have a look at the pics and Let me know what you think

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6f0gBygU6h6MmlHWXZidE1YTnc

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6f0gBygU6h6OFlQejV1dE1JS1U


https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6f0gBygU6h6djV2dGRCQ2xGQzg

You can clearly identify the plastic + make up, but I can't find the girl either.

 

[Roober]

Is it just me or women on OLD look much older than their age says?

 

[Juanto]

You can clearly identify the plastic + make up, but I can't find the girl either.

Yea, im not sure if its a guy dressed like a woman or some trans

 

[Roober]

okay.. sooo...

-Messaged a girl on CMB
-she responded the next day. "sorry, I don't check this app much, heres my number....."
-I texted her and just said "hey you, its XXX from CMB. Big plans this weekend?"
-She responded this morning with "I don't really have any plans. Down for a bike ride, or bowling?"

-I am busy all weekend, so we setup bowling for Monday at 8. Probably not great, but I know a good dive nearby.... She is probably 6-7... Worse case scenario, go have some fun and practice chatting with a woman... One issue is I bowl around 250, so good chance to neg her..

 

[BeTheChange]

okay.. sooo...

-Messaged a girl on CMB
-she responded the next day. "sorry, I don't check this app much, heres my number....."
-I texted her and just said "hey you, its XXX from CMB. Big plans this weekend?"
-She responded this morning with "I don't really have any plans. Down for a bike ride, or bowling?"

-I am busy all weekend, so we setup bowling for Monday at 8. Probably not great, but I know a good dive nearby.... She is probably 6-7... Worse case scenario, go have some fun and practice chatting with a woman... One issue is I bowl around 250, so good chance to neg her..

Roober, by the law of probability she will probably flake.

If you are still at a stage of posting individual chats on this thread then you are not messaging or interacting with enough women online. Maintain your standards but spread your net wide.