Election: Wow was I wrong

[zekko]

I made several comments on this forum this year that Trump had no chance of winning and that it was a foregone conclusion that Clinton would win the presidency. I wanted to post this thread to acknowledge how wrong I was.

I had said that we may never have another Republican president because they were the party of the white male, the Democratic base had grown too large to lose, and that people would vote to line their pockets with entitlements. I thought the country had made a turn to the left and had reached the point of no return. Yet the Republicans now have a clean sweep of the presidency, the house, the senate, and state governors.

The other reason I expected Hillary to win was because I was born in 1960, and in my entire lifetime, I had never seen an upset in the presidential election. Ever. It always turned out the way it was expected. The closest to an upset was 2000, when Gore won the popular vote but Bush still won after the legal battle over Florida recounts.

It was somewhat comical to see the faces of some of certain networks as the results came in. MSNBC in particular, they were almost shaking. They, along with CNN, at one point basically said Trump was winning because the Russians and WikiLeaks rigged our election. It will be interesting to see how Saturday Night Live reacts to this surprise win, and if Alec Baldwin will continue to portray Trump throughout the term, since Baldwin is not an SNL regular.

Who knows what will happen now. I had thought of this election as Trump the Nut vs Hillary who was Evil Personified. We'll see. But kudos to the American people who apparently weren't as far given over to the left and political correctness as I had thought they were.

 

[backseatjuan]

3:36 AM Eastern Time, Putin send telegram to Trump, congratulating with election victory, and expressing hope for getting Russia-United States relation out of crisis.


I liked Donald Trump since before his appearance on Alex Jones show, and I too did not believe he could win. I was pleasantly surprised this morning to first see 244 votes, then 248, then all of a sudden 276. Excellent victory! Then TV showed pictures from Hillary defeat, they showed men hugging each other, comporting each other. I know that Russian and United States' mentality is different, but man don't hug man for comport, those were fags weren't they?

I had said that we may never have another Republican president because they were the party of the white male, the Democratic base had grown too large to lose, and that people would vote to line their pockets with entitlements. I thought the country had made a turn to the left and had reached the point of no return. Yet the Republicans now have a clean sweep of the presidency, the house, the senate, and state governors.

Our TV showed that many people supported Trump, including blacks, and to many people Hillary come off as a liar.

 

[zekko]

They were already calling Trump a tyrant and a strong arm leader on MSNBC just now. Yikes, they don't wait too long to start attacking, do they?

I also can't help but think about how the media told us that Hillary won all the debates. What a turnaround. I've really never seen anything like this in my lifetime. I can't help but wonder if some people just weren't ready to vote for a woman, when it came right down to it. I know in our society we're supposed to be past all that, but it hasn't happened yet.

 

[backseatjuan]

It is not sex issue, it is just a simple truth issue, IMO. She lied her ass off during the election, and it was way too obvious.

 

[YawataNoKami]

BLM , PC bullsh1t , Femnazis , Rape Culture , Millionaire football players not standing up during the National Anthem , Muslims "refugees™" , 11 million illegal immigrants , 1 trillion in students loans . The list is very,very long.People are fed up. USA WILL NEVER BE A SOCIALIST COUNTRY.

 

[Desdinova]

I had said that we may never have another Republican president because they were the party of the white male, the Democratic base had grown too large to lose, and that people would vote to line their pockets with entitlements. I thought the country had made a turn to the left and had reached the point of no return.

I'm convinced that this is exactly what Canada is. We have too many fvcking freaks running around, placing their pets' needs above their own, wearing garments that make their sex unidentifiable, and have men who wear tight sweaters, skinny jeans and like to have a good soul-cleansing cry.

Despite my rooting for Trump, I thought Hillary was going to win. I'm glad she didn't. Trump can easily push aside skin color and sexual orientation in order to deal with REAL issues that are plaguing the USA.

I envy the US. We have a faggot piece of 5hit ruining our country because he wants "equal rights" based on skin color and sexual orientation.

 

[Atom Smasher]

I do believe it was the closet voters who turned it around. They remained non-vocal about their choice for the past few months in order to avoid the grief they would get if they openly admitted their intent to vote for Trump. Once the voting began, they came out and took care of business.

 

[backbreaker]

By Monday I was considering voting for him.


Take out the email part. She's not presidential. She hasn't done **** bit **** a President. She lies. As much as we don't know what trump plan is I don't know hes either

 

[Julian]

i called this over ten years ago. i was goig thru an insane trump phase reading all his books and studying him.

i realized he would be president someday and anyone who said otherwise was a straight up retard. this was fact in my mind and im thankful it still is.

lets make america great again, all naysayers get the fk out of the country

 

[PantyWhisperer]

It will be interesting to see how Saturday Night Live reacts to this surprise win, and if Alec Baldwin will continue to portray Trump throughout the term, since Baldwin is not an SNL regular.

I said the same thing this weekend. They were betting on Clinton

 

[PantyWhisperer]

I do believe it was the closet voters who turned it around. They remained non-vocal about their choice for the past few months in order to avoid the grief they would get if they openly admitted their intent to vote for Trump. Once the voting began, they came out and took care of business.

This was definitely me. And still is to degree. I live in The Peoples Republik of Maryland, where the Dems are strong. I stayed off social media and kept my head down and my mouth shut.

 

[zekko]

I do believe it was the closet voters who turned it around. They remained non-vocal about their choice for the past few months in order to avoid the grief they would get if they openly admitted their intent to vote for Trump. Once the voting began, they came out and took care of business.

Good point. They really set it up so that if you were a Trump supporter, then you had a lot to answer for. You must be some sort of bigoted, sexist, shoeless hillbilly hate monger. Why would anyone want to set themselves up for that criticism?

I notice Clinton ended up winning the popular vote. To some extent, that supports my thought that the country mostly leans to the left. This is twice now in the past five elections that the Republican won the electoral college but not the popular vote.I'd be surprised if the media didn't try to use that fact to try to deny Trump a mandate in the coming months and years.

 

[Bible_Belt]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/polls-got-wrong-trump-110421179.html
How the polls got it so wrong on Trump
Donald Trump's astonishing White House victory over Democratic favorite Hillary Clinton produced another demonstrably clear loser in the process: US polling.

Such was the scope of pollsters' and forecasters' failures Tuesday night that the future of the entire industry was being thrown into question.

Of the 20 major polling institutions including national networks, prominent newspapers and news wires that conducted more than 80 polls since mid-September, only one organization -- the Los Angeles Times paired with USC Tracking -- consistently gave Trump the edge.

On Election Day morning the RealClearPolitics rolling average showed Clinton ahead by 3.3 percentage points nationally. Hours later the polling community was offering a collective "oops."

Respected election forecaster Nate Silver's short answer on how polls performed: "terrible."

Silver's blog, FiveThirtyEight.com, had forecast Clinton would win key battleground states Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Trump won all four, and the election.

The esteemed New York Times forecast unit, the Upshot, had given Clinton an 85 percent chance of victory, even proclaiming her a 93 percent favorite to win Wisconsin.

AFP talked with University of Virginia political professor Larry Sabato, director of the school's Center for Politics and author of Sabato's Crystal Ball which, like most forecasters, had predicted a Clinton victory.

"The crystal ball has a big crack in it, my friend," Sabato said.

Why did polls get results so wrong?

"It's pretty obvious that something happened here," Sabato said of the fundamental misreading, noting there have been literally hundreds of presidential polls conducted this year.

Many pollsters weight their samples based on the electorate as it was composed in prior election contests, according to Sabato. That proved their undoing, because polls simply underestimated the number of quiet, poll-avoiding Trump supporters out there.

"White turnout in rural America was through the ever-loving roof," he said, while African-American and millennial turnout was down.

While pollsters anticipated a drop in the black and youth votes compared to 2012 when President Barack Obama ran for re-election, "their likely voter screens simply did not catch the high impending turnout in these white rural areas."

The Clinton campaign's own internal tracking polls also badly misread the white working-class vote, according to one election analyst who studied them and spoke to AFP on condition of anonymity to discuss campaign team data.

"They were completely wrong -- and they spent a fortune," the analyst said.

Did they underestimate anti-Hillary anger?

No, said Sabato. "The surveys showed a lot of that."

But others begrudgingly realized that pollsters may not have understood the depth of the resentment towards the former first lady, senator and secretary of state, whom many saw as a corrupt member of the elite Washington establishment.

"I had no idea how deep the divisions are," Democratic strategist Paul Begala acknowledged on CNN.

What does this mean for polling in future?

Sabato said he's "just flummoxed," considering "literally hundreds of surveys are wrong."

"There'll be one or more blue-ribbon panels to come up with something that works," he said.

Sabato refused to throw in the polling towel. "Analysis by anecdote is not academic," he stressed. "You don't want to just rely on instincts, you have to rely on data. 'Garbage in is garbage out' applies tonight."

The professor pointed to a steady decline in willingness among the public to involve themselves in telephone polls. In the future, "most polling will be done online," he added, dismissing concerns that Internet surveys can be easily skewed.

"They're not unreliable -- not if you do them well."

 

[Trunks]

Wonder what will happen to Clinton, WaPo, MSNBC, etc. now...

 

[Mike32ct]

Wonder what will happen to Clinton, WaPo, MSNBC, etc. now...

Nothing. Even with their "predictions" and polls wrong, they will all stay in business and on the air because they made a fortune covering election drama.

Ratings>> Accuracy lol

 

[Bible_Belt]

I was just about to post an article by a guy who is part of that montage. It is a left-wing view, but it is extremely scathing toward the Democratic party. It was supposed to be the Republican party in crisis because of Trump, but now the Dems are the ones with bigger problems. Young, progressive would-be Dem voters hate the party because of how badly they fvcked Bernie Sanders out of the nomination.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...serves-blame-electing-trump-article-1.2866238

The Democratic Party has mastered lying to itself and its core constituencies. It claims a progressive identity, but is as moderate and lukewarm as it has ever been on so many issues that matter to everyday people. It claims to be tough on Wall Street, financial corruption and white collar crime, but is awash in donations from lobbyists and executives in the industry. Democrats claim to be the party of working people, but so often seem to be deeply out of touch with their problems and needs.

Young people are the lifeblood of the Democratic Party. They are the idealists and dreamers. They overwhelmingly supported Bernie Sanders for the Democratic nomination, but for the first time in recent memory, the clear and obvious candidate of young people was not the choice of the Democratic Party establishment.

 

[CuddleJunkie]

I have never seen an election, or referendum, in England that the media didn't dictate - until Brexit happened.

Something very interesting is taking place. And it's happening across the Western world.

A complete rejection of globalism, so-called 'diversity', and feminism.

Congratulations America. France next...

After MAGA comes the MEGA. I'm ordering a Make Europe Great Again hat, I could use some free liberal sodium in my diet.
We are going to ****ing do it.

 

[bigneil]

I made several comments on this forum this year that Trump had no chance of winning and that it was a foregone conclusion that Clinton would win the presidency. I wanted to post this thread to acknowledge how wrong I was.

I had said that we may never have another Republican president because they were the party of the white male, the Democratic base had grown too large to lose, and that people would vote to line their pockets with entitlements. I thought the country had made a turn to the left and had reached the point of no return. Yet the Republicans now have a clean sweep of the presidency, the house, the senate, and state governors.

The other reason I expected Hillary to win was because I was born in 1960, and in my entire lifetime, I had never seen an upset in the presidential election. Ever. It always turned out the way it was expected. The closest to an upset was 2000, when Gore won the popular vote but Bush still won after the legal battle over Florida recounts.

It was somewhat comical to see the faces of some of certain networks as the results came in. MSNBC in particular, they were almost shaking. They, along with CNN, at one point basically said Trump was winning because the Russians and WikiLeaks rigged our election. It will be interesting to see how Saturday Night Live reacts to this surprise win, and if Alec Baldwin will continue to portray Trump throughout the term, since Baldwin is not an SNL regular.

Who knows what will happen now. I had thought of this election as Trump the Nut vs Hillary who was Evil Personified. We'll see. But kudos to the American people who apparently weren't as far given over to the left and political correctness as I had thought they were.

My dad always said, "A real man can admit when he was wrong", so Zekko is runner-up to Donald as Man of the Year.

 

[bigneil]

I have never seen an election, or referendum, in England that the media didn't dictate - until Brexit happened.

Something very interesting is taking place. And it's happening across the Western world.

Yes, it's called "No more free Doritos for EyeBRollin".

 

[speed dawg]

Any sign of Jaylan?