High Cancellation Rate

[bigneil]

Lately I feel like I'm about to catch fire but I keep having the same issue.

Has this happened to you? You meet a girl who is obviously highly attracted to you and they make it super easy and....

• Her: (Obvious flirt).
  
• You: "Are you single?"
• Her: "Yes!"
• You: "Should I call you?"
• Her: "Yes, here is my number?"
• You: "Are you available this week?"
• Her: "Yes, I'm off Saturday!"
• (She introduces 3 friends who all adore you)
  
• You: "I'll be dining at Bill's Cafe, will you meet me for a drink?"
• Her: "Sure!"
• She kisses you goodbye in front of her friends.
  
• (Long text conversation).
• (Sudden day when she doesn't reply randomly).
• (Predictable long text from her about how she can't make it, with no rain check).

This happened to me three times in the past 14 days. With girls who I probably wouldn't have even pursued if they hadn't made it so easy.

Possibilities:

1. Is this simply a by-product of a higher phone number success rate?
2. Am I in an area where women have too many guys available?
3. Are they detecting a slump?
   
4. Is it out of sight, out of mind?
5. Is it because I'm racist?
   
6. (Your idea here, thanks).

Note: only one of them was a stripper, and I didn't give her more than $20 so none of them seemed motivated by money. Also, they weren't even that young (33 on average).

 

[Billtx49]

The convo you posted has you only asking her questions. Wrong frame there if that's how it usually goes down. Statements can also be used to get a question answered and it puts it in your frame. Like this: I'd bet a girl like you has a boyfriend.
Too many questions would make you look weak to her and gives her the frame. Bad starting point.

 

[Skyline]

You shouldn't text after you have set up a date unless she messages you first- even then make it just short flirting.

Text conversations are fine as long as you are coming from a strong frame(flirting), asking a bunch of questions and chit chat should be saved for the date.

 

[Slash Dolo]

This happens to everyone. Honestly I've started cancelling on them first if I notice any weird signs. I broke a date with a HB9 the other week and an 8 just now.

I really do think we as men need to start noticing red flags and act accordingly and start canceling ourselves just to save time instead of planning our day around a flakey b*tch. In this case though it sounds as if there wasn't any red flags really. In which case it may have been something you said.

 

[marmel75]

It happens...long text conversations are never a good idea before the first date

 

[stevo]

• Her: (Obvious flirt).
• She kisses you goodbye in front of her friends.
  
• (Long text conversation).
• (Sudden day when she doesn't reply randomly).
• (Predictable long text from her about how she can't make it, with no rain check).

This happened to me three times in the past 14 days..

She has nothing to look forward to anymore. You know this. Text to fcuk or don't text at all.

 

[skinnyguy]

You keep asking her questions which is the problem but I also experience flaking so I use one strike rule and cut off all contact. If a woman flakes that means I no longer want to **** her so there is no need to keep in contact. Do not give attention to low interest women

 

[Atom Smasher]

I agree...You're asking way too many questions. I would reframe them into statements.

 

[Trump]

Lately I feel like I'm about to catch fire but I keep having the same issue.

Has this happened to you? You meet a girl who is obviously highly attracted to you and they make it super easy and....

• Her: (Obvious flirt).
  
• You: "Are you single?"
• Her: "Yes!"
• You: "Should I call you?"
• Her: "Yes, here is my number?"
• You: "Are you available this week?"
• Her: "Yes, I'm off Saturday!"
• (She introduces 3 friends who all adore you)
  
• You: "I'll be dining at Bill's Cafe, will you meet me for a drink?"
• Her: "Sure!"
• She kisses you goodbye in front of her friends.
  
• (Long text conversation).
• (Sudden day when she doesn't reply randomly).
• (Predictable long text from her about how she can't make it, with no rain check).

As soon as she flirts you say "I have 2 tickets to xyz and would like for you to join me. Care to come?" Let HER say "I'm single, I'm married, I'm a slut, I'm religious, I only date black guys, I only date rich guys, etc, etc, etc.

Come on bro. You have been here this long and are acting like this. By the time you are done with the questions she is already pregnant from her ex.

 

[bigneil]

Trump, what are you talking about? I asked 3 girls about 3 questions each and had 3 numbers, 3 dates and a 3 kisses. Show us a real world example of your pickup being more efficient.

It happens...long text conversations are never a good idea before the first date

This is true. My summary may have created the image of my overtexting but by long text conversation I mainly meant they were asking a lot of questions. In two cases, the texting had ceased, I saw them, secured the date, and then they cancelled. So I don't think it's texting.

Anyhow, last week I got 3 more numbers and then tonight I broke the slump with another girl. A super-smart, 22 year old stripper no less. She immediately took me in her arms and said "You are so handsome, you have to meet my friends" and then she texted two of her friends who showed up (they were all going to work later). The other 2 girls snuck me their phone numbers. Also, the other girls who cancelled are all insisting they still want to get together but I sort of lost interest.

I think the sad reality is that men can never really command the attention and success rate that women can, even if women are super-attracted. Not beyond that given night. It's almost as if they blow us off to maintain the upper hand. I think I need to start making things happen that night instead of making plans for another night. Frankly, I always hated girls who are like that, where if you don't hook up that night they are with someone else. That's been going on 25 years now. The hang-out, hook-up culture.

 

[MrWood]

You: "Should I call you?"

will you meet me for a drink?"

literally begging

"Are you available this week?"

because you got nothing going on

you: give me you number
her: ok here xxxxxx
you:I am going out Saturday, join me for drink at Bills Cafe, know it?, give you a lift, 9pm ok
her: (pvssy tingles) ok

 

[bigneil]

Only half the girls I meet are strippers. They are not all alike.

If 3 strippers want to meet me outside what is considered one of the classiest strip clubs in the nation (where they don't put out) and I only spent $15 for 2 drinks (one had water), that was a good night. I got to meet two of them outside the club for the first time, introduced by my date saying "Isn't he hot?" when I wasn't paying her. That's different than meeting them at the club or VIP talk.

In case you think I'm exaggerating, here is a snapshot of my phone. All 3 girls from last night wrote to me. The other 3 in the list are not strippers. The other 3 girls I mentioned in this thread are not featured in this list. I've dated 4 of these 6 (all of whom texted in the past 24 hours) and just met 2 last night. Another 3 girls who I saw last week also are bumped off the recent list. I've lost count.




I'm doing something right.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

You aren't eating enough pure organic grass-fed red meat.

 

[thatfeel]

You aren't eating enough pure organic grass-fed red meat.

Oh man.

 

[wifehunter]

"Should I call you?" = approval seeking

She will test... hope you're ready.

 

[Tenacity]

My summary may have created the image of my overtexting but by long text conversation I mainly meant they were asking a lot of questions. In two cases, the texting had ceased, I saw them, secured the date, and then they cancelled. So I don't think it's texting.

Because it's NOT the texting, it's not the fact that you asked quote, unquote "too many questions", it's not the fact that you text before a "date", or most of the ****amamie pieces of "advice" presented in this thread lol.

So you want to know what happened buddy? Let me give you the secret revelation........SOME WOMEN ARE FLAKEY. They flake. For no reason. Especially if they are HB7 and higher. There's nothing you can do to stop this, it's just a problem/issue that comes with the game.

You are doing fantastic, just keep going and keep meeting more women. Try to meet women in a variety of places and not use just one sole source to meet them. It's all a numbers game buddy, it's going to go like this:

- You get 20 numbers from a variety of sources

- You will only get to an actual date with about 10 of them, the other 10 will flake out or you will have to drop them off due to lack of communication, showing red flags, etc. And again, NONE of that will be your fault and it won't be a damn thing you can do to change this.

- Of the 10 you date, you might only fvck about 5 of them. The other 5 will be users, manipulators, won't be "feeling you", liers, etc. And again, NONE of that will be your fault and it won't be a damn thing you can do to change this.

- Of the 5 you fvck, you can look at getting into a relationship with 1 - 2 of them.

Also throw out the bullshyt advice on here about not texting, not talking on the phone, etc. Use the phone/text to build rapport. It's efficient and easy. The advice provided is bullshyt because since when do you build rapport/trust/comfort with a chick by NOT talking to her? Since when do you just "set up a date", don't text/phone the bytch for 3 days, and expect the bytch to be receptive to you?

Trump, what are you talking about? I asked 3 girls about 3 questions each and had 3 numbers, 3 dates and a 3 kisses. Show us a real world example of your pickup being more efficient.

Sosuave is full of cartoon shyt. It's very rare to find any guy on here like you OP, who actually posts what they are doing in the field with proof like I do. They can talk shyt about us ALL day...but at least we are actually out here in the real world, not on some KBJ cartoon shyt.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Because it's NOT the texting, it's not the fact that you asked quote, unquote "too many questions", it's not the fact that you text before a "date", or most of the ****amamie pieces of "advice" presented in this thread lol.

So you want to know what happened buddy? Let me give you the secret revelation........SOME WOMEN ARE FLAKEY. They flake. For no reason. Especially if they are HB7 and higher. There's nothing you can do to stop this, it's just a problem/issue that comes with the game.

You are doing fantastic, just keep going and keep meeting more women. Try to meet women in a variety of places and not use just one sole source to meet them. It's all a numbers game buddy, it's going to go like this:

- You get 20 numbers from a variety of sources

- You will only get to an actual date with about 10 of them, the other 10 will flake out or you will have to drop them off due to lack of communication, showing red flags, etc. And again, NONE of that will be your fault and it won't be a damn thing you can do to change this.

- Of the 10 you date, you might only fvck about 5 of them. The other 5 will be users, manipulators, won't be "feeling you", liers, etc. And again, NONE of that will be your fault and it won't be a damn thing you can do to change this.

- Of the 5 you fvck, you can look at getting into a relationship with 1 - 2 of them.

Also throw out the bullshyt advice on here about not texting, not talking on the phone, etc. Use the phone/text to build rapport. It's efficient and easy. The advice provided is bullshyt because since when do you build rapport/trust/comfort with a chick by NOT talking to her? Since when do you just "set up a date", don't text/phone the bytch for 3 days, and expect the bytch to be receptive to you?



Sosuave is full of cartoon shyt. It's very rare to find any guy on here like you OP, who actually posts what they are doing in the field with proof like I do. They can talk shyt about us ALL day...but at least we are actually out here in the real world, not on some KBJ cartoon shyt.

You don't have to excessively text tho. I think its important for her to crave your voice.

 

[Tenacity]

You don't have to excessively text tho. I think its important for her to crave your voice.

I text all day, everyday. I call when I have a moment to call lol. If the girl is feeling you, then this doesn't matter. If the girl isn't feeling you, it's nothing you can do to really change it.

What I've found is that MOST of the result with individual women are out of your personal control. All you can do is present your "product" and allow the numbers game to play out. How an individual woman reacts to you, is completely random:

- Some are going to like you and mean it
- Some are going to like you and don't mean it
- Some are going to come off like they hate you but really like you
- Some are going to hate you and mean it

But going in, you have absolutely NO CLUE where an individual girl is going to fall in this results pile. All you can do is play the game. That is approach her wherever (online, at Wendy's, at the grocery store, the gym, wherever)....you get her to the telephone/text by exchanging numbers....after that....what happens is completely RANDOM but my experience shows that out of every 20 numbers you get, you should fvck 3 of them which is a 15% conversion.

 

[bigneil]

UPDATE - This process continued with a couple more girls doing this. It culminated with my pulling off a three way kiss with two of the most beautiful women I've ever seen, and they both gave me their phone numbers. When I got home, one had sent a note thanking me, and the other never replied. The one who sent the note later admitted that the moment she knew she was going to have sex with me was when she saw me seduce the other girl.The one who had sex with me was the one I liked the most by far.

So the moral is: if you start having lots of girls giving your their numbers (sealed with a kiss) but not replying or flaking, just keep at it. And remember: to Millennial babes, texting > kissing.

 

[bigneil]

You don't have to excessively text tho. I think its important for her to crave your voice.

For the stats, it took 3 weeks to have sex after getting a recent number (which came 5 weeks and 2 encounters after the flirting started).

Week 1: 2 texts per day.
Week 2, 3 texts per day.
Week 3: 10 texts per day (then sex).

She initiated 5/14 times. What I do is, plan a date, flatter her, then vanish and make her send the date reminder.