Do you find successful womend attractive.

[guru1000]

I'd take a successful woman over a homemaker, as we would have more in common, and my mind needs to be stimulated. However, my preference is contingent upon even a greater condition:

Successful or not, the woman MUST FULLY defer to me.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I'd take a successful woman over a homemaker, as we would have more in common, and my mind needs to be stimulated. However, my preference is contingent upon even a greater condition:

Successful or not, the woman MUST FULLY defer to me.

So your not going to have a "c0ck size" contest with your woman and a battle for masculinity and control? This is how many of these scenarios play out, not many woman want to "defer" to her man if she goes out and wears the pants just like him.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I just wonder where guru1000 goes out and finds his women at who will work out there like a warrior, bringing home the bacon, hand over her check at the door, and perfectly submissive around him and for him. Talk about unicorns in America.

 

[Once Bitten]

Not really.

The "successful woman", as in being a corporate boss, exercises confidence and dominance in her job. I don't want her to do this when we're together. I'm not a pushover myself, but subconsciously it makes me feel like I'm supposed to live up to some sort of standard that I don't like. Then again by the way I behave (and sometimes dress) I usually don't attract women like that anyway.

Of course she could be like that only at work, and the woman of my dreams outside of it. But her success alone doesn't do anything for me.

Been there, fn hated it. Doesn't make you feel like much of a man.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Been there, fn hated it. Doesn't make you feel like much of a man.

They tend to be very competitive and will start to "eclipse" anything you do, even your masculine movements and voice patterns.

 

[Once Bitten]

I wonder if, for men, there is a different receptivity/attractiveness to "successful woman" depending on her type of work?

Rather than a woman who is a corporate climber, lawyer, manager, police officer, stock trader,...

what if she is a nurse, a vet, maybe she runs a flower shop, or owns a studio where she teaches dance to young girls or teaches yoga. I wonder if those career choices for a woman resonate differently, for men, in terms of a woman's potential attractiveness?

I suspect it's less about her "success" and more about whether a woman lives more in her feminine essence rather than a masculine essence (especially when she is with him.)

Many jobs/tasks require women to operate from a masculine essence. That can be really hard to transition out of once she's done/left work for the day. Even for an aware woman it can be really hard to switch back quickly into her feminine essence, depending on the stress levels she was experiencing.

At the end of the day, I think men don't want to be with a woman who is stuck operating from a masculine essence. It's unattractive to them. I think men inherently prefer and enjoy women in their feminine nature. I think the polarity between a masculine man and a feminine woman can feel quite amazing and supportive to each,

This can easily tear a relationship apart. It raises her expectations from her man, and when be can't deliver, she finds someone who can. I learned the hard way.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

This can easily tear a relationship apart. It raises her expectations from her man, and when be can't deliver, she finds someone who can. I learned the hard way.

Can't deliver what? So she's a bossy, controlling and more masculine than most women not being feminine for most men, she needs a male who will "out masculine" her?

 

[oOh Nasty]

I suspect it's less about her "success" and more about whether a woman lives more in her feminine essence rather than a masculine essence (especially when she is with him.)

I've been pondering this for awhile now.

I feel like success in the career sense is too intertwined with masculinity. There's also the whole semantics thing with the word "success." I wouldn't mind a girl who tends to a flower shop that oversees maybe two or three other girls helping her. In this case, she could consider herself successful and somewhat independent (of an employer).

It's when she starts to have desires of opening up multiple flower shops and doing aggressive business, that a masculine nature will creep in.

One of the main features of masculinity is conquest. A humble and simple life will bring about a more harmonic nature (a feminine quality) than a "driven" and "goal oriented" life. Women who are always thankful for what they have usually don't harbor feelings of longing or desire [for status or monetary success].

Finding a career-climbing woman who also happens to be naturally feminine, humble, and accommodating is about as rare as finding a chick who's banged 50 guys and will stay faithful to you.

 

[Huffman]

Lots of nice points in here.

I'd like to add that I'm currently seeing a woman who is an accomplished software engineer and doing well for herself. But when we are together, she follows me around with those puppy-dog eyes... I really can't complain.
All I wanted to say is that she can be whatever she likes at her job - as long as I'm the man and she's the woman then we're good.

 

[Von]

Succesful woman = Sexy and attractive

They have brain, ambition, and 90% of the time the great looks.

I only wanna date someone who understand my career, can follow my ambitions and have a powerful future.

 

[guru1000]

I just wonder where guru1000 goes out and finds his women at who will work out there like a warrior, bringing home the bacon, hand over her check at the door, and perfectly submissive around him and for him. Talk about unicorns in America.

I'd argue that a woman who is not financially successful but holds looks on the 9/10 scale is used to thousands of men pandering to her whims and thus is equally or worse in the deference department than a successful woman. But this doesn't stop me from pursuing the hottest of women. The girl I just dumped falls into this scenario.

I still have my preferences. Unicorn? Absolutely! That's why I am still single.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I'd argue that a woman who is not financially successful but holds looks on the 9/10 scale is used to thousands of men pandering to her whims and thus is equally or worse in the deference department than a successful woman. But this doesn't stop me from pursuing the hottest of women. The girl I just dumped falls into this scenario.

I still have my preferences. Unicorn? Absolutely! That's why I am still single.

I'm sure there are some that exist, that like a man that likes to be in charge so they don't have to worry about that at home. They probably look better and treat you better than females that didn't have to earn their money or attention.

 

[BeExcellent]

It's a dichotomy and different people value different things.

A successful man needs a woman who has intelligence, political savvy, an understanding of how successful people think and do (this can come from either or both family background & her own accomplishments), and who understands her role in the relationship. It is Captain (male) and Chief Mate (female) dynamic.

The Chief Mate provided input, handles tasks delegated to her, etc., but the Captain has the final authority on the ship.

Now a Chief Mate appropriate for an ocean going passenger liner is a different thing than a Chief Mate on a 60 ft yacht or a battle cruiser or a pleasure boat. The Captains of these vessels, while all Captains, are not all qualified to garner the respect of all the Chief Mates if they are inappropriately matched up.

The Chief Mate from the battle cruiser is going to think (accurately so) that she knows more than the Captain of all the other kinds of boats, but she will defer to the Captain whom she knows has the appropriate experience and credentials to guide her. To this Captain she will defer.

Whether or not you as a man find a "successful" woman attractive comes down to whether or not you have the ability to lead her in the long term. If so she can trust in your ability to guide the ship and will defer. But if she finds over time she is more knowledgeable in key areas (those differ from interaction to interaction), then your frame will slip and a power struggle is inevitable.

 

[zekko]

Take identical twins on thier late 30's one works at Hooters the other in a law firm.

To me, my problem with the Hooters girl isn't that she has a "low class job" or whatever, it's the nature of it. She's a waitress working in a place that specializes in presenting the female employees as sexual fantasy objects. She might as well be a bartender or a stripper. Her job is basically to flirt with men to get better tips. Doing that for eight hours a day doesn't help build the kind of sensible, demure woman who appreciates her man.

 

[sodbuster]

My ex wife was a CPA, turned comptroler. I'm a Dentist. I made 4 times what she did. Almost every night we had a d1ck measuring contest. She thought she was smarter at everything, but when I challenged her to an IQ test, she'd refuse..... Then turn around the next day thinking she knows more than I did. Got tired of it, got the D, wrote her a check and made it back in 2 years.

She still tried measuring d1cks when it came time for college, you want to fill out the forms with the poorer parent claiming the kid..... she asked my son's if " I have a higher net worth than your dad" They just laughed at her. Next one will be less aggressive and nicer.... if ther is a next one

 

[mrgoodstuff]

To me, my problem with the Hooters girl isn't that she has a "low class job" or whatever, it's the nature of it. She's a waitress working in a place that specializes in presenting the female employees as sexual fantasy objects. She might as well be a bartender or a stripper. Her job is basically to flirt with men to get better tips. Doing that for eight hours a day doesn't help build the kind of sensible, demure woman who appreciates her man.

The attention she gets in there takes away from the attention she needs from you and it causes problems.

 

[Once Bitten]

Can't deliver what? So she's a bossy, controlling and more masculine than most women not being feminine for most men, she needs a male who will "out masculine" her?

What I meant is the inability to deliver, by the man, whatever the spoiled woman requests. If her demand can't or won't be met, she can just dump him for another beta who is silly enough to step up to the plate. Terrence Popp's quote from the vid "

", MGTOW Redonkulus (sp?) "Good luck with that, Dummy!" is a true statement for guys silly enough to step up to the plate for a woman like this. It's at 9:50 to 9:60 for those who don't want to watch this, though I strongly recommend to. It will open your eyes.

 

[backbreaker]

if they are wearing **** me pumps yes

nothing is sexierto me than a woman with no stockings on in black pumps

 

[backbreaker]

people think i'm crazy when i say i have more respect for escorts than i do for waitresses. both are using their sexuality to make money. the escort has at least, owned it and is maximizing her profit instead of living in some fantasy and where she gets paid because she's such a hard worker. both are saying look i know you are giving me money because you want to **** me. at least the escort is owning it and making more money

 

[zekko]

people think i'm crazy when i say i have more respect for escorts than i do for waitresses. both are using their sexuality to make money. the escort has at least, owned it and is maximizing her profit instead of living in some fantasy and where she gets paid because she's such a hard worker. both are saying look i know you are giving me money because you want to **** me. at least the escort is owning it and making more money

Lol, that's an interesting view. I can't say I disagree, in principle.

Not everybody who goes to a restaurant wants to fvck the waitress though, some people just want to eat. I don't know the facts here, but my guess is more women go out to eat at restaurants than men. In that case, the waitress is just a waitress (LGBTs aside).