If it doesn't come to you naturally, don't try it.

[AlexLefty1]

So much wrong with this mindset I'm not sure where to start.

So basically if it doesn't come easy to you, then just quit is what you are saying.

Sounds about right for this generation where a day of hard work means having to stay 15 minutes after the time they were supposed to get off and a day where they had to actually do work for more than half the day rather than incessantly check Facebook, Instagram, Twitter or browse the web on the clock...

Agreed @marmel75

@DiegoSantori I disagree with everything you said. But fvck it. You've already made up you're mind. No point in trying to help the blind see. Why even post this thread?

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

Agreed @marmel75

@DiegoSantori I disagree with everything you said. But fvck it. You've already made up you're mind. No point in trying to help the blind see. Why even post this thread?

I thought he was saying that instead of worrying about game he was going to focus on his career. That isn't a bad thing.

 

[marmel75]

I thought he was saying that instead of worrying about game he was going to focus on his career. That isn't a bad thing.

It is when you are running away from something and try and justify it by using that as an excuse. Nobody needs to focus that hard on something that they don't have time to fvck on their downtime. Hell, even athletes who spend all day working out, practicing and then studying film find time for it and I'm pretty sure his career isn't that time consuming.

OP stop making excuses for yourself.

 

[marmel75]

I assume that you misinterpreted the intention of my post. I'm not whining. Quite the contrary, I'm actually at peace with it. I've accepted my situation and I firmly believe that acceptance is an important part of the emotional process of coping with any difficult situation.

Some of you say that I quit, which is not true. Think of it this way: I'm like a businessman who had his own company and he tried to sell his products but there were initial difficulties, so he had to think of new ways to sell his products, so he tried and tried and tried to use any selling technique that he learned about to help him become a better salesperson.

At the end of the day, however, the turnover of his company was disappointing, so he decided to shut down his company to commit himself wholeheartedly to the development of new products because he was now convinced that the problem wasn't the selling techniques but the product itself.

And, in my case, the product is my SMV aka my money. Simple but effective.

I realized that I've made the mistake that most guys in their 20s make. I was chasing women. Even when I acted aloof and disinterested, strictly speaking, I was still chasing them, since I was focused on them, not on money. Most guys try to get chicks when they're in their 20s when most of them are low value to women and try to "get rich" in their 30s when they're high value to women. They've wasted both decades. I should do the opposite. Every guy in his 20s should do the opposite.

Probably far less effective than you think. You might get the token fvck from a hot chick, but you'll still be a beta they'll use for money while fvcking another dude behind your back. Money won't change that, it will simply allow you to pay a lot more to go through getting fvcked over.

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

I have no money, and a mediocre job and I get laid.

Social/sexual confidence is what gets you laid.

 

[Trump]

Women, however, never came naturally to me. Those rare times when I had success with them can simply be explained by the fact that every dog has his day.

I tried everything! Believe me!

- I established a connection with them, quickly acted as if I had something else to do. Didn't work
- Never gave my entire self to them. Didn't work
- Played it smooth. Didn't work
- Bought some nice clothes. Didn't work
- I was coc*y and funny. Didn't work
- I smiled and made eye contact. Didn't work
- Initiated Kino. Didn't work
- Intentionally disagreed with them. Didn't work

Now, at the age of 25, I've accepted that I'm just not the guy women want, even though I've been told I'm handsome quite often. Women don't come naturally to me, so I won't even try anymore.

There are guys who are spoilt for choice and have the luxury to decide between a large number of women who would give everything they own just to go on a date with them. Why should I fight this unnecessary uphill battle? It's like a real estate agent trying to sell you an ordinary single-family home in an ordinary suburb while you're competing with 10 other prospective buyers for a $3million-private home with tall ceilings and a designer pool.

I'm chasing money now. There are so many great things about money. More free time, better cars, better holidays, better restaurants, and the ability to fulfil your own dreams. Maybe there will come a time when women come to me naturally, maybe not. I don't know.

How can you be so good at everything else and women don't come naturally to you? Women are for sleeping with and pro-creating. Anything more than that and you are valuing them too much.

You go buy a car to drive. You go find a women to sleep with. You don't buy a car to eat it. And you don't find a woman to impress her. Everything in life has its usefulness, and women do too. The sooner you realize this, the better off you will be.

 

[DiegoSantori]

How can you be so good at everything else and women don't come naturally to you?

After reflecting on it, I guess, because I'm a sensitive guy. I heard that many "sensitive guys" (and the same is true for "sensitive girls") have become so bitter by being rejected in high school and college, they've formed negative opinions of the opposite sex (or of themselves) that stay with them for life.

Telling a sensitive person to not let rejection bother them is like telling someone not to get wet when it rains. Laid-back, insensitive guys might not know it but they have a huge advantage compared to sensitive guys when it comes to dating.

Until recently, my mission was to get girls. Now I've made it my mission to get as much money as possible. Unpopular opionion but this is a win-win technique, because even if you die single, you'll be better off than someone who dies single and with nothing else going on in his life.

 

[Desdinova]

Now, at the age of 25, I've accepted that I'm just not the guy women want, even though I've been told I'm handsome quite often. Women don't come naturally to me, so I won't even try anymore.

I noticed that when I actually put real effort into finding a woman, my success rates were very low. When I quit putting significant effort into finding a woman, that's when my success with them was better.

Like I told you in the other thread, you need to surround yourself with them. Don't surround yourself with them for the purpose of getting dates, do it for the social proof. Social proof is VERY powerful when it comes to attracting women and has an incredible domino effect. When you're with them, flirt but don't pursue. Women will begin to talk to other women about you, and you'll eventually find other women who will want to become acquainted.

You need to appeal to women's natural instincts. Game speeds things up once a woman is initially interested in you. Getting the ball rolling is the difficult part. You need to get out and socialize, meet new people, and meet new women. You need to see those people on a regular basis. Once you have that established, you'll start to get invited out, meet their friends, relatives, etc etc. Build your social circle and get people talking about you. Once you have that, all the magic will happen when you're not even around.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

It is good to focus on other things than women. As has been said, attracting women is pass time, not a definitive character trait.

I would focus on other things than just money as well however. Money will get you the things you describe, but none of those really involve interacting with others, which really is a definitive characteristic. You gonna spend your extra free time, go to all the restaurants and bars, drive around in your car alone....?

I think you might see where your problem is here. Engage in activities where you will be interacting with lots of people, not just random women you don't really know. Anti-socialism is very easy to pick up on. All of the things you've tried, you need to be doing all of them all the time, simultaneously. With everyone. People need to feel comfortable in your presence and the only way they will is if you are comfortable in everyone's presence, including your own.

The very nature of your original post is negative. This kind of vibe will be ultimately apparent in your real life interactions as well, if not more so.

 

[DiegoSantori]

When you're with them, flirt but don't pursue. Women will begin to talk to other women about you, and you'll eventually find other women who will want to become acquainted.

I'm going to move to a different city in a few months for professional reasons. I'm going to follow your advice, although I'm skeptical about it, since I've gone down that road before and the results didn't impress me.

You gonna spend your extra free time, go to all the restaurants and bars, drive around in your car alone....?

Dependance on anyone else for your happiness is the path to great fu**-ups and personal risk. Learning to be alone, and enjoying it, frees you from the fear of loneliness. And if you have no fear of something, it holds no power over you.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Dependance on anyone else for your happiness is the path to great fu**-ups and personal risk. Learning to be alone, and enjoying it, frees you from the fear of loneliness. And if you have no fear of something, it holds no power over you.

This is quite true. But I don't think you fear loneliness. I think your fear is other people.

 

[RangerMIke]

Your priorities should always be yourself first... because if you do not put yourself first then you are no good to anyone else. It's like when you are on a plane and the cabin de-compresses, you have to put your oxygen mask first before your kid because if you are knocked out you are no use to your child. I'm not saying you should be selfish, but you MUST first think of yourself, if an opportunity to share comes up you should do this.

(1) Self (everything starts here... if you are a mess you are a mess)
(2) Career and purpose (you will not be really happy unless this is straight)
(3) Children and Family (this is your legacy... )
(4) Male friends. (REAL friends will always be with you)
(5) Women

Too many dudes have this flipped upside down.

 

[playa99]

OP, with that mindset, you won't get women. That is not meant as an insult, it is meant to help you see the opportunity to improve.

You have not tried everything, no-one has!

You are not special, I am not special, we are all men making our way in the world. What you are going through most of us here have been through. Some have been through worse and some haven't.

We all have a lot to learn.

Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and keep on going.

Rejection is a step on the path to success.

 

[Poon King]

After reflecting on it, I guess, because I'm a sensitive guy. I heard that many "sensitive guys" (and the same is true for "sensitive girls") have become so bitter by being rejected in high school and college, they've formed negative opinions of the opposite sex (or of themselves) that stay with them for life.

Telling a sensitive person to not let rejection bother them is like telling someone not to get wet when it rains. Laid-back, insensitive guys might not know it but they have a huge advantage compared to sensitive guys when it comes to dating.

Until recently, my mission was to get girls. Now I've made it my mission to get as much money as possible. Unpopular opionion but this is a win-win technique, because even if you die single, you'll be better off than someone who dies single and with nothing else going on in his life.

Yes.. money has universal value while women do not.

I've always preached that no man should EVER make women his top priority. They are just not important enough. They exist for sexual pleasure, reproduction and entertainment.

Regarding your very first post.. you have to remember that women are engineered by nature to be inherently self-centered when it comes to how they deal with the opposite sex. When they size up a man they are thinking ONLY about how they can benefit from being involved with that man. Its a lot less about sexual attraction with them except for when they just want a "fun fling". Women like famous athletes because they get all in one: Sexual attraction, status AND resources.

But if you remember nothing about women.. remember this: Women want love and devotion BUT they have no interest in giving love and devotion. Nature did not design women to be loyal and loving to the opposite sex. They are designed to seek out resources and protection so they can reproduce in a safe environment rich with resources for their kids. Even if women are not consciously making these decisions.. it comes through automatically in their behavior. Just like men don't make a conscious decision to get hard when they see nice boobs.

You will find that as you get older and have more money.. women will magically be more interested in you as money draws women over age 25 like flies to mashed potatoes.

 

[Trump]

After reflecting on it, I guess, because I'm a sensitive guy. I heard that many "sensitive guys" (and the same is true for "sensitive girls") have become so bitter by being rejected in high school and college, they've formed negative opinions of the opposite sex (or of themselves) that stay with them for life.

Telling a sensitive person to not let rejection bother them is like telling someone not to get wet when it rains. Laid-back, insensitive guys might not know it but they have a huge advantage compared to sensitive guys when it comes to dating.

Until recently, my mission was to get girls. Now I've made it my mission to get as much money as possible. Unpopular opionion but this is a win-win technique, because even if you die single, you'll be better off than someone who dies single and with nothing else going on in his life.

Bro you are not making sense. If you are that sensitive, there is no way you can be on top of the world in every other aspect your life. If your head spins when 22 year old good looking girl tells you to go to hell, people who are smart would absolutely rip you to shreds in real life.

I understand the bitterness and it may make you feel better, but it's not going to get you anywhere. To try rationalize your decision not to go after girls now because of what happened years ago or so you won't get rejected is dumb and weak. You can easily go after girls and go after money at the same time. There are guys out there who have wives, 2 mistresses and are still billionaires. It all depends how smart you are and how well you can talk.

You can focus on money AND focus on girls. It shouldn't be one or the other. Just don't value girls so much.

 

[marmel75]

Yes.. money has universal value while women do not.

I've always preached that no man should EVER make women his top priority. They are just not important enough. They exist for sexual pleasure, reproduction and entertainment.

Regarding your very first post.. you have to remember that women are engineered by nature to be inherently self-centered when it comes to how they deal with the opposite sex. When they size up a man they are thinking ONLY about how they can benefit from being involved with that man. Its a lot less about sexual attraction with them except for when they just want a "fun fling". Women like famous athletes because they get all in one: Sexual attraction, status AND resources.

But if you remember nothing about women.. remember this: Women want love and devotion BUT they have no interest in giving love and devotion. Nature did not design women to be loyal and loving to the opposite sex. They are designed to seek out resources and protection so they can reproduce in a safe environment rich with resources for their kids. Even if women are not consciously making these decisions.. it comes through automatically in their behavior. Just like men don't make a conscious decision to get hard when they see nice boobs.

You will find that as you get older and have more money.. women will magically be more interested in you as money draws women over age 25 like flies to mashed potatoes.

No doubt money will garner more interest, but unless OP learns how to handle women without it, he is just setting himself up to get played over and over again or worse

 

[marmel75]

Bro you are not making sense. If you are that sensitive, there is no way you can be on top of the world in every other aspect your life. If your head spins when 22 year old good looking girl tells you to go to hell, people who are smart would absolutely rip you to shreds in real life.

I understand the bitterness and it may make you feel better, but it's not going to get you anywhere. To try rationalize your decision not to go after girls now because of what happened years ago or so you won't get rejected is dumb and weak. You can easily go after girls and go after money at the same time. There are guys out there who have wives, 2 mistresses and are still billionaires. It all depends how smart you are and how well you can talk.

You can focus on money AND focus on girls. It shouldn't be one or the other. Just don't value girls so much.

Exactly my point...Just a cop out

 

[mrgoodstuff]

No doubt money will garner more interest, but unless OP learns how to handle women without it, he is just setting himself up to get played over and over again or worse

Yes, it is all most a GUARANTEE that he WILL be played! A GUARANTEE. Very few women in our culture are EXCITED about a man who had the MOTIVATION the VISION the DRIVE to obtain his material RICHES.... Most of them think they are doing him a favor being one of the "broke girls" with a hot bod and dressing up off some other males wallet. So they WILL use him, and for lighting their sexual desire they will go back to tyrone or todd with the hot bod who is considered ALPHA by them, he might not even be anywere in his career and she may be very well financing him emotionally and financially, with your hard earned sweat and blood. They do it all the time. Sex their friend harder who has no or almost no money or ambition of his own while pumping his dreams and head up...

However there are a FEW women who are excited by that drive that motivation to be materially RICH and they will reward it and it makes them horny and wet...

The best insurance is to set up your body, your look your personality so that you don't need the money to get laid over and over, it's simply an icing on the cake. Really you don't want babes coming to you just for some $$$, it's not good for you.

So go after your $$$, but as a part time HOBBY build your physique to one that makes their mouth water and your confidence and personality it all adds to each other.

 

[Poon King]

Yes, it is all most a GUARANTEE that he WILL be played! A GUARANTEE. Very few women in our culture are EXCITED about a man who had the MOTIVATION the VISION the DRIVE to obtain his material RICHES.... Most of them think they are doing him a favor being one of the "broke girls" with a hot bod and dressing up off some other males wallet. So they WILL use him, and for lighting their sexual desire they will go back to tyrone or todd with the hot bod who is considered ALPHA by them, he might not even be anywere in his career and she may be very well financing him emotionally and financially, with your hard earned sweat and blood. They do it all the time. Sex their friend harder who has no or almost no money or ambition of his own while pumping his dreams and head up...

However there are a FEW women who are excited by that drive that motivation to be materially RICH and they will reward it and it makes them horny and wet...

The best insurance is to set up your body, your look your personality so that you don't need the money to get laid over and over, it's simply an icing on the cake. Really you don't want babes coming to you just for some $$$, it's not good for you.

So go after your $$$, but as a part time HOBBY build your physique to one that makes their mouth water and your confidence and personality it all adds to each other.

Some good points.

The reality is that money, looks or status alone do not make women wet. I've known good looking men who were terrible with women because they had a faggot personality. Of course women think they are "hot" at first. Then they start talking and women lose interest. Inner strength and power is attractive to women. Co-dependence, submission and desperation is not.

This is the main reason a lot of rich and famous betas get screwed over and bled dry by attractive women. You would ask why a woman would ever divorce someone like Mel Gibson or Michael Douglas. The answer is simple: She got what she needed from him and there is not enough sexual attraction to keep her around. But even more important: She believes she can do better. Female hypergamy. Women always feel like they are "settling" when they are not with a true alpha. She will level up to better betas as much as she can for as long as she can. Then she will stay with the best one. But the sexual attraction is always limited if the man is not a true alpha.

This is also why stealing (or f*cking) another man's woman is sadly one of the easiest things in the world to do. If she sees YOU as "alpha" compared to her partner then cheating is a no-brainer. Female hypergamy. I've attracted so many married women and women with boyfriends that its almost impossible for me to take relationships with women seriously. Which is why I've often said that full commitment is for faggots.

 

[DiegoSantori]

Bro you are not making sense. If you are that sensitive, there is no way you can be on top of the world in every other aspect your life. If your head spins when 22 year old good looking girl tells you to go to hell, people who are smart would absolutely rip you to shreds in real life.

Bro, I AM making sense. I may be sensitive when I'm talking to women but I can be the most coldhearted, most callous man when it comes to money.

Your logic is flawed. Romantic life and professional life are two completely separate issues. If my ideas or products are being rejected, I don't care. I will try to sell my ideas and products until I find someone who likes them and trust me, I will find them. And nobody, I repeat NOBODY, has ever ripped me to shreds in real life, I'm way too clinical to be messed around with. If, however, a woman rejects me, then she doesn't reject my ideas or products, but she rejects ME as a person.

I can switch off the emotional part of my brain when I'm chasing money. But my romantic life consists of emotions. The prettier the woman, the stronger are the emotions that I experience. My goal is reduce the intensity of these emotions, because I believe that this is the key to genuine outcome independence.