Did I get put in F.Z b/c 1. She just got out LTR or 2. She doesnt find me attractive ??

[3agle 3yes]

You haven't given a lot of information here, did you know this girl before? And how long if you have?

If you were friends with her before, I would forget about it...women only see men in one of three ways, in this case she sees you as a friend.

 

[Ryan]

You haven't given a lot of information here, did you know this girl before? And how long if you have?

If you were friends with her before, I would forget about it...women only see men in one of three ways, in this case she sees you as a friend.

Thanks for the post.

What particular information do you require?

1. Met her in the gym like four weeks ago
2. WEnt on a first date----> At the begining of the 2nd date she gave me "want to make it clear that we are just friends, I just got out a 3 year relationship...not ready to get into another one"
3. WE hung out twice after that... as "friends"
4. Tried to hold her hand, she laughs and says "we just friends"
5. She is a very conservative, sheltered person...virgin, has few friends mostly hangs out with her sister, last month broke up with her first boyfriend.....and wont shutup about what a liar control freak he is....

@3agle 3yes @MrWood @ImTheDoubleGreatest! @dude99 @RangerMIke @marmel75

 

[dude99]

Thanks for the post.

What particular information do you require?

1. Met her in the gym like four weeks ago
2. WEnt on a first date----> At the begining of the 2nd date she gave me "want to make it clear that we are just friends, I just got out a 3 year relationship...not ready to get into another one"
3. WE hung out twice after that... as "friends"
4. Tried to hold her hand, she laughs and says "we just friends"
5. She is a very conservative, sheltered person...virgin, has few friends mostly hangs out with her sister, last month broke up with her first boyfriend.....and wont shutup about what a liar control freak he is....

@3agle 3yes @MrWood @ImTheDoubleGreatest! @dude99 @RangerMIke @marmel75

wouldn't hold your hand means low interest. Won't shut up about her ex means next her. She will drive you nuts even if you do get her

 

[MrWood]

most FB's wont hold hands and rarely kiss outside the bedroom... thats relationship stuff

 

[Ryan]

most FB's wont hold hands and rarely kiss outside the bedroom... thats relationship stuff

Whats an "FB"?

 

[Ryan]

So should I hang out with her this week or not?

@3agle 3yes @MrWood @ImTheDoubleGreatest!@dude99 @RangerMIke @marmel75 @logicallefty

 

[Ryan]

Man you guys are too late, I already texted her asking to have a picnic.....

@3agle 3yes @MrWood @ImTheDoubleGreatest! @dude99 @RangerMIke @marmel75 @logicallefty

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Whats an "FB"?

Fvck buddy.

Man you guys are too late, I already texted her asking to have a picnic.....

@3agle 3yes @MrWood @ImTheDoubleGreatest! @dude99 @RangerMIke @marmel75 @logicallefty

Also, tell us how the picnic goes. I would like to see how everything turns out because I can learn from it.

 

[dude99]

So should I hang out with her this week or not?

@3agle 3yes @MrWood @ImTheDoubleGreatest!@dude99 @RangerMIke @marmel75 @logicallefty

I would say no but looks like you already asked her out.

I would let her stew for a few weeks at least or else you are going to keep driving that friendzone bus my friend. The mor available you are the less interested she will be and you already can't afford for her interest to drop anymore

 

[dude99]

Fvck buddy.


Also, tell us how the picnic goes. I would like to see how everything turns out because I can learn from it.

I mean this with respect to our DJ because of her actions so far, but 10 bucks says dhe flakes

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I mean this with respect to our DJ because of her actions so far, but 10 bucks says dhe flakes

I don't think she would flake, more so just redefine friend the friend zone to make ot more clear.

 

[Igetit!]

Thanks for the post.

What particular information do you require?

WEnt on a first date----> At the begining of the 2nd date she gave me "want to make it clear that we are just friends, I just got out a 3 year relationship...not ready to get into another one"

Here,you said she told you that she just got out of a 3 year relationship,but that she's not ready to get into another one.

Ok....then WHY is she going out on dates then....and multiple dates with the SAME person? You have to translate what she said.

When she said she's not ready to get into another relationship,what she meant was she DOESN'T WANT to get into a relationship...with YOU.

Another thing I found EXTREMELY ODD was what you said here.....

She is a very conservative, sheltered person...VIRGIN,

You said she's a virgin. So she was in a relationship with someone for 3 years.......but yet,she's a VIRGIN. huh....

Also.....if she only wants to be friends with you,how did the subject of her so-called "virginity" come up in the first place? Why's she discussing her sex life with you???


You said the everytime you try to make some sort of move on her,she says you two are just friends.


I'm kinda of curious about something. Ummm....why are you putting up with this? The vision I get of you is like a little kid sitting at a desk in a classroom. The teacher is standing over you,pointing and wagging their finger at you,talking down to you,while you sat there with your knees together and head hung down.

This girl is telling you what you two are,and you're just sitting there taking it,you have no voice,no say-so AT ALL.

What's going to happen here is,she's gonna keep telling you that you two are friends,you're going to continue taking it and being her orbitor,until one day,she finds someone she DOESN'T WANT to be "just friends" with....then she's going to have a relationship with him,you'll be tossed to the side,then you're gonna get angry at her,but it'll have been YOUR fault.

last month broke up with her first boyfriend.....and wont shutup about what a liar control freak he is....

She won't shut up about what a liar control freak her last boyfriend was. Why should she? She has YOU to set there and listen to it all. You're not doing anything. I mean if you're going to continue to be around her after all her constant rejection,she might as well get SOME USE out of you.


The thing that shocks me the most out of all this,is your JOIN DATE. You've been here since 2000......16 years,and you're getting hung up on petty sh1t like the friendzone?

If you're getting tripped up on petty sh1t like this,no one here is gonna be able to help you,especially when the solution here is so obvious and clear.

 

[Ryan]

So Date #4> Picnic at Park

Objective: to move out of FZ---> attract and develop a romantic interest.

So had a picnic on a blanket in a nice shady area, I brought a candle, and I placed chocolate covered watermelon in her mouth.

KINO ATTEMPT: she had a bandage on her hand so I pretended to look at it, and use it as an opportunity to hold her hand--> she blocked me and said "We're friends" (thats ok I just try again next time (plow) )

She chatted her head off as usual---> I asked to see some pictures on her phone and managed to position myself next to her , then arm around her on blanket...

My objective was to run some speed seduction patterns on her, but I couldnt remember any patterns, so I made some pattern on the fly: "I remmeber when my Ex drew a picture for me, I could FEEL THE ROMANTIC CONNECTION growing" (yeah I know I need to work on my pattern skills)

- thats where I felt I was lacking in the delivering of patterns --> but this girl just interrupts and talks and talks and talks.

- yes I did run some Incredible Connection patterns on her before...
Then we went to walk around the area

i) KINO ATTEMPT: we had to cross these traintracks--> so I took her hand and was like let me help you over the tracks--> she accepted and let me hold her hand , then when we got over the tracks she was like "ok I dont need you to hold my hand anymore!" (whats a good rebuttal?)

ii) then when there was this short pathway, I was like "I better hold your hand, so you dont fall off" so now I will use any excuse to hold her hand (walking accross the street etc).

I noticed when I talked to her about the dates I had with other girls, a little bit of a sad expression came accross her face ( a sign of interest)

Yeah I know this sounds like a junior high school date to some of you, but my intentions are a girlfriend (not merely sex) .


Howould you of done the date differently in terms of (kino) escalation?

BTW , remember this is not a oneitis-----> I am attempting to go in on other girls!!

Anyone can recommend some good falling in love patterns? I would like to run October man, but that is quite advanced for my repertoire.

@Igetit! @3agle 3yes @MrWood @ImTheDoubleGreatest! @dude99 @RangerMIke @marmel75 @logicallefty

 

[Ryan]

Here,you said she told you that she just got out of a 3 year relationship,but that she's not ready to get into another one.

Ok....then WHY is she going out on dates then....and multiple dates with the SAME person? You have to translate what she said. .

I guess she thinks we just friends.

But she said on the first date, "I dont really date, I get to know them as friends first"

You said she's a virgin. So she was in a relationship with someone for 3 years.......but yet,she's a VIRGIN. huh....

Also.....if she only wants to be friends with you,how did the subject of her so-called "virginity" come up in the first place? Why's she discussing her sex life with you???
.

Because she mentioned, she is saving it for marriage "no I dont have sex at all, "

Guess what, there are people out there who still save it for marriage, yes she different to other girls I dated.

I'm kinda of curious about something. Ummm....why are you putting up with this? The vision I get of you is like a little kid sitting at a desk in a classroom. The teacher is standing over you,pointing and wagging their finger at you,talking down to you,while you sat there with your knees together and head hung down.

This girl is telling you what you two are,and you're just sitting there taking it,you have no voice,no say-so AT ALL..

What you want me to say/do?

The thing that shocks me the most out of all this,is your JOIN DATE. You've been here since 2000......16 years,and you're getting hung up on petty sh1t like the friendzone?

If you're getting tripped up on petty sh1t like this,no one here is gonna be able to help you,especially when the solution here is so obvious and clear.

There was a period in my life, where I was so busy, I was not visiting the site at all.

Ok like I told Im the double greatest, I acknowledge I'm not the best with girls...

@Igetit!

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

So Date #4> Picnic at Park

Objective: to move out of FZ---> attract and develop a romantic interest.

So had a picnic on a blanket in a nice shady area, I brought a candle, and I placed chocolate covered watermelon in her mouth.

KINO ATTEMPT: she had a bandage on her hand so I pretended to look at it, and use it as an opportunity to hold her hand--> she blocked me and said "We're friends" (thats ok I just try again next time (plow) )

She chatted her head off as usual---> I asked to see some pictures on her phone and managed to position myself next to her , then arm around her on blanket...

My objective was to run some speed seduction patterns on her, but I couldnt remember any patterns, so I made some pattern on the fly: "I remmeber when my Ex drew a picture for me, I could FEEL THE ROMANTIC CONNECTION growing" (yeah I know I need to work on my pattern skills)

- thats where I felt I was lacking in the delivering of patterns --> but this girl just interrupts and talks and talks and talks.

- yes I did run some Incredible Connection patterns on her before...
Then we went to walk around the area

i) KINO ATTEMPT: we had to cross these traintracks--> so I took her hand and was like let me help you over the tracks--> she accepted and let me hold her hand , then when we got over the tracks she was like "ok I dont need you to hold my hand anymore!" (whats a good rebuttal?)

ii) then when there was this short pathway, I was like "I better hold your hand, so you dont fall off" so now I will use any excuse to hold her hand (walking accross the street etc).

I noticed when I talked to her about the dates I had with other girls, a little bit of a sad expression came accross her face ( a sign of interest)

Yeah I know this sounds like a junior high school date to some of you, but my intentions are a girlfriend (not merely sex) .


Howould you of done the date differently in terms of (kino) escalation?

BTW , remember this is not a oneitis-----> I am attempting to go in on other girls!!

Anyone can recommend some good falling in love patterns? I would like to run October man, but that is quite advanced for my repertoire.

@Igetit! @3agle 3yes @MrWood @ImTheDoubleGreatest! @dude99 @RangerMIke @marmel75 @logicallefty

So she basically wants you for the attention and time and effort and money you are putting in for her. Hence why she may have seemed slightly upset when you told her about other girls. Why? Because if you are doing the same with other girls, then you would invest less and less with her. To be honest, you can get out of the friend zone. It is hard and long, but it is possible. I still wouldn't try though, simply because in the end it isn't worth it. I have done it a few times before, and it just isn't worth the hassle, plus by the time you are able to get the girl, you just don't want her anymore. You see just how superficial women are, especially THAT woman who you wanted in the first place. The only way to really get out of the friendzone is to go NC on her unless she personally strikes up a conversation with you in person and it's been at least several months from your last time even seeing her. The third date should have been sex really, I mean that's the rule of thumb even in Western culture where blue pillers run rampant and SJW's are shaming everyone who disagrees with them.

Because she mentioned, she is saving it for marriage "no I dont have sex at all, "

Guess what, there are people out there who still save it for marriage, yes she different to other girls I dated.

This has me questioning: How old she is and what you would rate her on the looks scale out of 10?

 

[Ryan]

So she basically wants you for the attention and time and effort and money you are putting in for her. Hence why she may have seemed slightly upset when you told her about other girls. Why? Because if you are doing the same with other girls, then you would invest less and less with her. To be honest, you can get out of the friend zone. It is hard and long, but it is possible. I still wouldn't try though, simply because in the end it isn't worth it. I have done it a few times before, and it just isn't worth the hassle, plus by the time you are able to get the girl, you just don't want her anymore. You see just how superficial women are, especially THAT woman who you wanted in the first place. The only way to really get out of the friendzone is to go NC on her unless she personally strikes up a conversation with you in person and it's been at least several months from your last time even seeing her. The third date should have been sex really, I mean that's the rule of thumb even in Western culture where blue pillers run rampant and SJW's are shaming everyone who disagrees with them.

This has me questioning: How old she is and what you would rate her on the looks scale out of 10?

Thank you for the reply, I really like your advice.

I was talking about something that happened with my ex, when she had that sad face. But perhaps, the reason was the story I told her about my Ex, reminded her of hers.

Shes 22, virgin, never even had a job before, very sheltered by family, mostly hangs out with her siblings (few friends): what some may label a "loser" (but I dont judge people) .

Shes about a 7, I would not be dating her if she was not good looking obviosuly.

I feel very inspired, hearing that you did indeed break out of the friendzone. If you really broke out the FZ---> then I have tremendous respect for you...


Actually, I just started a new business and I know this sounds really bad, but I cant even focus on my new venture.

@ImTheDoubleGreatest! @Igetit! @3agle 3yes @MrWood @ImTheDoubleGreatest! @dude99 @RangerMIke @marmel75 @logicallefty

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Thank you for the reply, I really like your advice.

I was talking about something that happened with my ex, when she had that sad face. But perhaps, the reason was the story I told her about my Ex, reminded her of hers.

Shes 22, virgin, never even had a job before, very sheltered by family, mostly hangs out with her siblings (few friends): what some may label a "loser" (but I dont judge people) .

Shes about a 7, I would not be dating her if she was not good looking obviosuly.

I feel very inspired, hearing that you did indeed break out of the friendzone. If you really broke out the FZ---> then I have tremendous respect for you...


Actually, I just started a new business and I know this sounds really bad, but I cant even focus on my new venture.

@ImTheDoubleGreatest! @Igetit! @3agle 3yes @MrWood @ImTheDoubleGreatest! @dude99 @RangerMIke @marmel75 @logicallefty

The way it happened was when they saw something about me that they never would have ever expected from me before, as if seeing a whole new person. This is why it's good not to brag about certain things when it comes to women. But it was usually something superficial that made them like me in a more intimate way. Usually something revolving around athleticism that made them take a keen interest in with me. Still wasn't worth it though, I just didn't find them attractive anymore after that.

 

[dude99]

Thank you for the reply, I really like your advice.

I was talking about something that happened with my ex, when she had that sad face. But perhaps, the reason was the story I told her about my Ex, reminded her of hers.

Shes 22, virgin, never even had a job before, very sheltered by family, mostly hangs out with her siblings (few friends): what some may label a "loser" (but I dont judge people) .

Shes about a 7, I would not be dating her if she was not good looking obviosuly.

I feel very inspired, hearing that you did indeed break out of the friendzone. If you really broke out the FZ---> then I have tremendous respect for you...


Actually, I just started a new business and I know this sounds really bad, but I cant even focus on my new venture.

@ImTheDoubleGreatest! @Igetit! @3agle 3yes @MrWood @ImTheDoubleGreatest! @dude99 @RangerMIke @marmel75 @logicallefty

The best way to get out of the friend zone is to show this girl that she is a dime a dozen girl. Stop chasing her. Make your actions show that you could not care any less. Fo your thing. Get busy with other girls. Do not br available for her all the time. Be too busy when she calls.

When she realizes she is not the center of your world her hamster wheel will start spinning. She will rhen start to think of you in a different light.

The more yoh pedestalize her the more frustrated you will be.

 

[VladPatton]

Jump ship, she's not interested. She's going to use the "let's be friends" card until she finds a c0ck to ride, then tell you she has a boyfriend. Classic scenario. Don't set yourself up for the aggravation.

 

[Ryan]

Jump ship, she's not interested. She's going to use the "let's be friends" card until she finds a c0ck to ride, then tell you she has a boyfriend. Classic scenario. Don't set yourself up for the aggravation.

@VladPatton

I'm not trying to make myself feel better in any way, but dont you think that an individual who came out of a 3 year relationship last month does not want to get into another relationship?

No **** to ride mate, she is one of those who save it for marriage.

But thank you for your post...