If you had $100,000 in free cash flow every year how would you invest?

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Oh yeah, it's going to mainly be in a low overhead consulting type of business though. So for example let's say for the year, a one-person consulting shop has expenses of $15,000 for location (shared office), marketing, website, communications, and other related expenses.

One new client/new closed deal = $1,000 let's just say. So let's say he goes about the year and acquires 50 new clients for $50,000. But he has client ownership so let's say on average he will generate some type of renewal compensation from 50% of the new clients that produces another $1,000 each on average within the next 2 years. So that's a total of $75,000 ($50,000 upfront and $25,000 within 2 - 3 years).

This is a 400% return before taxes ($75k total revenue, $15k expenses, $60k profit before taxes).

In relation to my career changes, I'm on the market looking for better opportunities. I'm considering a couple of different avenues right now, from W-2 work, to operating independently, to a combination of both.
Thanks very informative. I'm currently doing something similar. I run a consultancy from my bedroom. The only real overhead being my living costs.

With the tax system the way it is, if you could stretch revenue from your consulting gig to $100k per year then you would probably be better off than the guy making $150k. Plus you would have the time and freedom to pursue other ventures.
 
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Thanks very informative. I'm currently doing something similar. I run a consultancy from my bedroom. The only real overhead being my living costs.

With the tax system the way it is, if you could stretch revenue from your consulting gig to $100k per year then you would probably be better off than the guy making $150k. Plus you would have the time and freedom to pursue other ventures.
Correct. Give or take going forward, I believe I will continue to have something like this operating in one form or another. I'm currently looking at maybe doing some sort of "direct employment" gig (my 8 - 3) while doing the independent gig right after (my 4 - 9).

Not sure yet, but I'm exploring a lot of avenues right now. I might be moving soon here from Michigan as well.
 

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Slightly off topic but what do you think is a competitive price for the service of "Reviewing an existing Business Plan and building a financial model to project income statement, balwnce sheet, cash flow and working capital requirements"

Aiming at owner managed, sub 500k turnover businesses.

Just had a meeting and quoted a guesstimate figure of $2000. She seemed happy so not sure if I'm too cheap or if it's a reasonable price. I see freelancers on upwork offering similar services for much less.
 

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I would probably do what I am already planning to do, but quite a bit quicker than my current situation ( earning a salary as an engineer). My small business is already laying groundwork to work with a larger client on various projects. I would keep it lean, but expand to cover more ground ( we are more or less working on a commission basis). The other part of the money would be going into personal. Lastly, I am working on development in the financial space on my own and would probably do work provided my spare time permits it. However if one of these areas becomes more profitable, more time would go to that.

There seems to be a lot of experienced traders/investors here so its humbling to see how easily it is to get killed without experience or success. I am quickly learning from investing my own money that the market is bigger than I am and will crush me at any given moment. That said, its not a reason not to participate. My plan for investing is as follows:

  • A large portion of my money via retirement is index funds with low fees. If I had a huge block of free cash flow close to 100k, I would probably direct some 10-20% of to index funds.
  • In todays market, I would like to hold substantial cash and am keeping close to 25% of my liquid worth in cash. This is based on having a regular income.
  • The investable part would go towards investing in strong companies in undesirable (but profitable) industries. Right now I like energy because I know in the long term that it won't go away. However, I am keeping my finger on the pulse of the global economy as that drives energy markets in the short term. Specifically I like oil right now, but understand that the current macroeconomic situation surrounding oil markets is not favorable. I plan on keeping with the trend and once supply/demand, as well as the masive supply overhang start to support a steady increase in oil future prices, i'll make money on the way up. other ideas I am working on are shorting overhyped/poor companies - but have come to realize that the markets can remain irrational longer than I can remain solvent, so am proceeding cautiously in this regard. I am eyeing companies like Twitter and Tesla Motors as companies which are basically worth 0 dollars.

I am not sure what to make of this market or the global economy and it seems like a difficult time to make money. Everyone is anticipating a major correction ( I would argue it has in the energy markets), but broad economic indicators aren't showing a huge recession yet.

I am always open to new ideas and look forward to reading what other contributions come from this thread!
 

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I would probably do what I am already planning to do, but quite a bit quicker than my current situation ( earning a salary as an engineer). My small business is already laying groundwork to work with a larger client on various projects. I would keep it lean, but expand to cover more ground ( we are more or less working on a commission basis). The other part of the money would be going into personal. Lastly, I am working on development in the financial space on my own and would probably do work provided my spare time permits it. However if one of these areas becomes more profitable, more time would go to that.
How are you handling working full time while managing a business? Do you basically have to cut out your social life completely? At what point will you quit your job?
 

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Slightly off topic but what do you think is a competitive price for the service of "Reviewing an existing Business Plan and building a financial model to project income statement, balwnce sheet, cash flow and working capital requirements"

Aiming at owner managed, sub 500k turnover businesses.

Just had a meeting and quoted a guesstimate figure of $2000. She seemed happy so not sure if I'm too cheap or if it's a reasonable price. I see freelancers on upwork offering similar services for much less.
As TicTac stated above, depends on what the client is willing to pay, which is based on (1) the imperative need of the client; (2) the market rate of the services; (3) your ability to sell the services.

I would go further and encourage you to augment and delineate your services as a menu. For example:
  • Reviewing an existing business plan and building a financial model to project income statement, balance sheet, cash flow and working capital requirements: $1,500
  • Identifying superfluous or over-expenditures and recommending way to mitigate to increase cash flow: $1,250
  • Perusal of company’s marketing and advertising platforms with recommendations in how to augment platforms cost effectively: $1,250
  • Examination of employee performance with grade reports, and enaction of a motivation platform, or restructuring of current designations, to increase employee performance: $1,250

You get the idea. I quickly delineated the above with five minutes of thinking. Take your time to create a thoughtful menu of at least ten services that you could provide as a business consultant. The goal for new clients is to sell them only on one service because once you gained his/her confidence as a client, he/she will hire you for the remaining services in time if you perform well (we can discuss how to create client satisfaction for repeated business in another thread as this is the biggest gun in your artillery.)

Another significant factor in investing smartly is thinking outside the box: If I have time later today, I will describe one recent deal--which several VCs had rejected--that I invested into and netted over 300k just by thinking outside the box.
 

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depends on what the client is willing to pay, which is based on (1) the imperative need of the client; (2) the market rate of the services; (3) your ability to sell the services.
Most of us tend to undervalue ourselves and the value that the potential customer/client perceives. We may set the price and cost is no bad thing to start with. But the buyer determines the value.
 

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How are you handling working full time while managing a business? Do you basically have to cut out your social life completely? At what point will you quit your job?
It is difficult to juggle all of the aforementioned activities, but given my current workload I am able to work on the business on the side for now. This will obviously not be sustainable both timewise and mentally. My social life has suffered a little bit.

I will quit my job when the side business takes up too much time and is profitable enough to do so. The side business might not take off, so that is why I am developing my own ideas and trying to break into development. Eventually due to time, I will have to cut back (or cut out) one of these, but have not yet determined what. I will follow the passion and the money.

Short term plan : provide clients with what they want, make some money on the commissions. Get new gig developing programs so as to further that interest.

Long term: Continue with this business relationship I have, or start branching out offering my own services in the development space.

Right now I am able to pursue all of these, make money, and invest. I'll keep the path until a more favorable catalyst presents itself.
 

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One day I had a meeting with a deli owner in Manhattan. Their real (not tax-disclosed) numbers per annum follow (numbers are approx.):

Gross revenue: $2.55 mil
Total Expenses: $2.3 mil

Net Income: $250,000

Based on its type and location, the business is valued at 2.5 times SDE (seller's discretionary earnings); and so valued at $250,000 * 2.5 = $625,000.

Unfortunately for the owners, they were recently audited by the state for underpaid sales tax and imputed with a tax payback of $550,000; thus leaving the owners with $75,000 in net proceeds ($625,000 - $550,000 = $75,000) if the business were to sell at market value. To make matters worse, the owners wanted $850,000 gross (3.4 * SDE) as to net $300,000, and thus were requesting above-market price for their business. Accordingly, no VCs or investors entertained their unreasonable offer.

I asked the owners a few personal questions to ascertain their personal finances. Combined they had over one million in personal assets, and thus were unable to file a Chapter 7 bankruptcy to extinguish the sales tax in three years. The owners were genuinely saddled with this tax debt.

As most entrepreneurs know, it is almost impossible to ascertain the genuine financials of a cash business, as most revenue is undisclosed. I sent an employee to the deli who sat by the register to check the numbers they were alleging for three weeks. I then made the owners an offer:
Guru: You do understand that no investor will buy this company from you at 3.5 times earnings. Further, your $550,000 sales tax liability will accrue interest at 9% per annum plus penalties. In the next two years, you will owe the state $653k plus penalties leaving you close to $700k. My offer to you is $750,000, and will be my only and final offer.
The owners stated they would get back to me. Two days later, they came back to the office, and agreed. But I was not yet finished:
Guru: You do understand my $750,000 offer is above-market. We are all reasonable people. Accordingly, I do have one caveat. My offer is conditioned upon reaching a tax settlement of less than $150,000 on the $550,000 you owe within 120 days. And so if the $150,000 tax settlement is reached, the sales price of the business will be $200,000 net proceeds to you plus the amount of the tax settlement, totaling $350,000.

Owners: But that is ridiculous! If it were possible to settle this tax, don't you think we would have done it ourselves?

Guru: I’m not negotiating this caveat. It’s final. You will be saddled with $700,000 in sales tax debt in two-years time otherwise, which you don’t have. You can't file for bankruptcy protection. You will not sell this business otherwise. If you want to think about it, and get back to me, that’s fine. But that’s my offer.
The owners took a week to chew on it. And returned:
Owners: We accept your offer, but on one caveat in return: If you were to settle the tax, we split the tax savings 50/50 which we will adjust toward the sales proceeds.

Guru: As I had stated, that is my best and final offer. Not interested otherwise.
They tried. Lol. They then accepted my offer.

I prepared a contract of sale conditioned upon the sales tax being settled, and held the sales proceeds in escrow. I then called the state tax dept:
Guru: Yes, I just purchased XYZ Deli, Inc., and I noticed you have an alleged sales tax imputation of $550,000. I am not paying it, but I do wish to settle with you. Can we arrange a meeting to discuss this further.
A meeting was scheduled two weeks later at my office. When the two tax agents arrived, at first I talked “shop.” I offered them coffee and donuts. I befriended them. I make a few jokes. Lightened up the room. And then the negotiation:
Guru: Guys, thanks for coming. Could you please tell me how you arrived at this tax imputation of $550,000?

Tax Agent 1: Well we audited the owner and calculated his average daily taxable gross revenue at $7,100, annualized at $2,527,600, off a sales tax rate of 8.875% equals $225,000. The owner only paid $41,000 per year, leaving him at a $184,000 annual deficit. We go back retroactively for three years, so we have imputed a total $550,000.

Guru: Now that’s a lot of money! (I state with a smile).

Tax Agents:
Yes (they chuckle).

Guru: Could you tell me exactly how you ascertained this average daily taxable gross revenue of $7,100?

Tax Agent 2: We sent an auditor there for one day and verified his intake and gross receipts.

Guru: Hmm, one day. <Pause> Let me see if I understand this correctly. <Pause> You sent an auditor there for one day, and based off his taxable sales for that one day, you imputed tax retroactively for 1,095 days?(Stated very slowly).

Tax Agent 2:
Well, yes.
I pull out a sheet of paper.
Guru: Gentlemen. Here is a list of seven construction sites in a four-block vicinity of this deli. It's quite the coincidence that XYZ deli's revenues have increased over 500% in the past eight months as the majority of its customers now are construction workers, and the gross receipts you audited were indicative of this increase. Accordingly, you cannot retroactively tax a business three years back for revenues not generated, nor is there statutory or case law demonstrating you can.
The tax agents looked surprised.

Guru: My offer to settle this matter is 10%, $55,000, which is a generous offer, because as demonstrated XYZ, Inc. paid the tax dept $41,000 a year for the past three years, which is exactly 8.875% of the taxable revenue it generated.

Tax Agent 2: OK, but what about the last two quarters that XYZ, Inc. underpaid the sales tax.
I was thinking at this point, “Wow, that was easy!”

We ended up settling at $75,000, a 13.6% settlement.

My total cost was the $75,000 tax settlement, $200,000 net proceeds to owners plus several thousand in administrative costs totaling $278,000.

I held the business for four months profiting another $62,000 in net income, and sold the business at a discounted price of $550,000, lien-free, totaling $612,000 gross minus the $278,000 investment--a $334,000 profit.

Take-Home Lessons:

1. Don’t create such rigid rules within your business stratagem that you miss opportunities disguised as distressed dogs.

2. Keep a great percentage of your assets liquid (index-funds, conservative stocks) to take advantage of business plays when they are made available.

3. If you are already consulting with businesses daily, assiduously study their infrastructure and financials to see if any opportunities arise where you—or--you and they may capitalize by out-of-the-box thinking.

4. Diligently study and understand the federal, state, and local laws relating to bankruptcy, taxes, regulations, and licensing to be fully equipped when opportunities do arise.
 
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guru, I take it you need to have some sort of background to get into that kind of work - accounting, or law? ( a combination of a degree and/or working experience that is).
 
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Synergy, I started from scratch seven years ago, insolvent to the extent of 1/2 mil. I had attained a BS later in life, a 4.0 GPA from NYU, 1520 GRE, and attended a graduate program in Columbia for a semester before I dropped out. As I have had regulatory problems in the past (which some here may know of), I wouldn't be hired by any of the big firms. So the MBA is essentially useless to me other than putting it on my resume, which no clients--to date--have been averted by. Though, I may elect to finish the MBA later in life as a bucket-list item.

0% of what I apply in business was taught to me through education. I am self-taught, and do an enormous amount of research and due diligence on my own. I am subscribed to West Law, and have read ALL the federal and state statutory and case laws that apply to bankruptcy, taxes, regulations, and licensing so that I am fully prepared to think and act immediately if and when an opportunity presents itself.

I have a strong sales background as a former stockbroker, so I am able to leverage myself into favorable terms in most negotiations. I also tend to think outside the box looking for opportunities in every mishap.
 

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Inspiring example guru! I'm actually providing business advise to a client looking to raise around $50,000 in VC funding. Perhaps I should think about investing or have some of my compensation paid I'm shares. I'll be doing the business plan and financial projections so will have a good understanding of the company. What kind of metrics do you use to determine a "good" investment.
 

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My Worldco account, thanks to massive leverage, did 3-5% per DAY. What is that a year? I don't know. I'm good at trading, not math.

I'm still wondering if anyone understands my example of the difference in buying a thousand shares versus buying a million shares. Until you do, it's going to look like I'm tap dancing, just because you've never traded before.

Huge percentage returns are available to the little guy simply by being little. The best traders make a small percentage return because they're managing millions, but the net result generates a larger amount of money than doubling or tripling a small account.
 

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I'm good at trading, not math.
LOL
I'm still wondering if anyone understands my example of the difference in buying a thousand shares versus buying a million shares. Until you do, it's going to look like I'm tap dancing, just because you've never traded before.
I asked you to convince me and I'd stake you. You demurred and then started rambling about margin leverage trading. You know, the thing that broke you.

Who doesn't get that making small returns on large volume trades earns more than small returns on small volume trades? You maybe. It's part of your 'not good at math' thing.
 

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Who doesn't get that making small returns on large volume trades earns more than small returns on small volume trades?
Hedge funds are experiencing below S&P 500 index performance and massive withdrawals and failures even though they push billions through trades.

Thanks for demonstrating conclusively that you haven't the first clue.
 

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BB, I understand that institutions cannot move in and out of positions with million share blocks the way you do with thousands because of illiquidity at the bid/ask. But, 3-5% per day equates to 1000% returns annually!

The most successful trader I know is Karen the supertrader (google her), and even she at best attained 100% annual returns for just a few years when her positions were small and liquid.

Let's call a spade a spade. You are not able to deliver 1000% annual returns consistently. At best, if you were able to achieve it for one year, it would be luck, not a skillset.
 

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