I always get numberz and text fast

[fastlife]

Build a 'time bridge' in person. So you're talking to a girl, you don't just get her number--you get her to agree to a date (doesn't even have to be real--just conceptual). Ideally, you should try to instadate her or pull her home that night; but sometimes you have other things going on.

But you need to focus on what happens before you get her number. You need to get her invested in the idea that she's giving you her number to actually see you again. Hypothetical convo:
You: "I'm meeting up with a friend tonight. What are you doing later?"
Her: [Insert some excuse, unless she's 100% down].
You: "Grab coffee with me tomorrow." (Or something low investment).
Her: "Well, I have x, y, and z." Or "What time?" Or "We just met!"
You: "Your number."
Her: [Gives you her number, maybe after some teasing].
You: "What's my name?"
Her: [Either she knows it or you tease her & reinforce it]
You: "What are we doing tomorrow?"
Her: "Getting coffee."
You: "Tell me."
Her: "What?"
You: "Tell me that you're meeting me for coffee tomorrow."

Get her to vocalize her intent to see you again. I'll even do this if I'm planning to pull her that night. Then I'll just text her while I'm leaving the interaction: 'Don't be weird--[My Name].' If she texts back I'll shoot the **** a little bit til I have a more definite idea for our meet up. But since she's already agreed to meet up, it doesn't really matter what I propose at that point.

The whole wait 4-7 days is totally ridiculous. Do you know how many offers a hot girl in her 20's will have 50 offers between now and then. So strike while the iron is hot--but make your intent 100% clear. If she seems flaky in person--call her on it. Note--I stole a lot of this from Julien RSD by way of YaReally at TRM, but I can vouch for the fact it works way better than just getting a number. If you're in a situation where you only have time to get her number, I'd throw out some vague, low investment, future meet up proposition in the very first text. And then just spend the convo narrowing it down to something definite.

 

[Aryan Prince]

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Build a 'time bridge' in person. So you're talking to a girl, you don't just get her number--you get her to agree to a date (doesn't even have to be real--just conceptual). Ideally, you should try to instadate her or pull her home that night; but sometimes you have other things going on.

But you need to focus on what happens before you get her number. You need to get her invested in the idea that she's giving you her number to actually see you again. Hypothetical convo:
You: "I'm meeting up with a friend tonight. What are you doing later?"
Her: [Insert some excuse, unless she's 100% down].
You: "Grab coffee with me tomorrow." (Or something low investment).
Her: "Well, I have x, y, and z." Or "What time?" Or "We just met!"
You: "Your number."
Her: [Gives you her number, maybe after some teasing].
You: "What's my name?"
Her: [Either she knows it or you tease her & reinforce it]
You: "What are we doing tomorrow?"
Her: "Getting coffee."
You: "Tell me."
Her: "What?"
You: "Tell me that you're meeting me for coffee tomorrow."

Get her to vocalize her intent to see you again. I'll even do this if I'm planning to pull her that night. Then I'll just text her while I'm leaving the interaction: 'Don't be weird--[My Name].' If she texts back I'll shoot the **** a little bit til I have a more definite idea for our meet up. But since she's already agreed to meet up, it doesn't really matter what I propose at that point.

The whole wait 4-7 days is totally ridiculous. Do you know how many offers a hot girl in her 20's will have 50 offers between now and then. So strike while the iron is hot--but make your intent 100% clear. If she seems flaky in person--call her on it. Note--I stole a lot of this from Julien RSD by way of YaReally at TRM, but I can vouch for the fact it works way better than just getting a number. If you're in a situation where you only have time to get her number, I'd throw out some vague, low investment, future meet up proposition in the very first text. And then just spend the convo narrowing it down to something definite.

Going NC works, if a girl has numerous white nights orbiting her she will be to busy to get into ur orbit, nothing u can do, a friend if mine got a number of a stripper... He played NC, it didnt work cuz she.has so many orbitors, but for a girl that is into u going NC for a couple of days will pay u back with a very interested girl!

 

[fastlife]

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Going NC works, if a girl has numerous white nights orbiting her she will be to busy to get into ur orbit, nothing u can do, a friend if mine got a number of a stripper... He played NC, it didnt work cuz she.has so many orbitors, but for a girl that is into u going NC for a couple of days will pay u back with a very interested girl!

NC is only effective to the extent that you have her investment. Unless a girl's an immediate part of your social circle, highly unlikely you even really exist to her until you've slept with her. Doesn't matter how high your SMV is--if hers is anywhere comparable she has more options than you. This isn't 1995 or 2001 or even 2007, where you're only competing with guys who had the balls to actually approach her and get her number. You have to make things happen ASAP. The younger she is and the hotter she is, the more this is the case.

 

[LiveYourDream]

OK OK. I guess what's eating me up about this is that they still call the shots in a way.
Like they decide OK 3 days is fine...its like what I read on their online profile, "must be sweet, yet stern with me at times". Wtf no...you don't call the shots. You get what you deserve.
The guy can be super great but if he calls the next day its over.
I mean, those are the girls should go unrewarded for *****y behavior because there's still human code of kindness and respect.

Still...I don't like that they get to have that choosing power and its a stupid rule cuz we ain't promised tomorrow.

You are starting to sound like a victim and you are not. Wake up. Your perspective is off balance. You are misperceiving the presence a power play as the issue when it isn't.

***Women do not consciously control what inherently attracts them to you. They experience attraction. They feel It. They feel it's absence. Women feel attraction.***

They don't decide to have it or not have it. They don't consciously make up rules that decide when they have inherent attraction. (This is different then her standards which she does choose and can power play with.)

The perspective I shared in my post above is not how to maximize your results based on a woman's conscious thought out power play. It is directed at what women inherently feel in those examples and how to maximize your choices.

On a side note:
***Do not ever expect a woman's feelings to make sense to you. When they do make sense to you, consider it a bonus. Do not get attached to it happening consistently . If you do, you are only setting yourself up for frustration and disappointment.

***A woman's feelings do not need to make sense to you, in order for you to respond to them successfully (for yourself and in her experience as well).​

If you call/text too quickly after first contact, a woman MAY perceive/feels you are needy and desperate (lacking strength). If you stall in asking her out, because you appear afraid of her rejection to her, a woman perceives/feels you to be weak (lacking courage and the fortitude to protect her if harm were present). I am talking here about the feelings that she experiences that are stimulated before those from her conscious thoughts.

I am talking about the deep intrinsic drives that are beyond her conscious thought. A woman is intrinsically driven to men that she feels have the capacity to protect her from harm. I cannot emphasize that enough. In my perception, and experience, it is what compels women's attraction to alpha males. A woman perceives/feels their strength to a degree that a beta will never make her feel. That attraction is inherent. It's a deep drive and feeling experience, beyond her conscious mind.

Back to your post OP...
Step back and realize that what drives a woman's deepest attraction is beyond her conscious control. You can accept that and use the awareness gained to your advantage, or not. Misperceiving a woman's nature and her unconscious inner drives and then taking offense, as if they are a personal affront to you, will only gain you frustration.

The suggestions shared don't come from some arbitrary rules someone simply decided one day and if you play by them you are therefore giving up your power, to a woman or society somehow. Let that go. The suggestions come from the observation of the intrinsic response/feelings provoked in women. Women feel inherent attraction, yet (almost all) have no idea what drives it.

TL;DR Step back and realize not everything is a power play. Remind yourself that women don't always even understand their own feelings and what drives them. When you do, consider it a bonus. Her deepest attraction is outside her conscious awareness. Choose to make the most of that knowledge by interacting in ways that maximize her inherent attraction to you, rather than ever expecting her deepest programming to change.

 

[Aryan Prince]

You are starting to sound like a victim and you are not. Wake up. Your perspective is off balance. You are misperceiving the presence a power play as the issue when it isn't.

***Women do not consciously control what inherently attracts them to you. They experience attraction. They feel It. They feel it's absence. Women feel attraction.***

They don't decide to have it or not have it. They don't consciously make up rules that decide when they have inherent attraction. (This is different then her standards which she does choose and can power play with.)

The perspective I shared in my post above is not how to maximize your results based on a woman's conscious thought out power play. It is directed at what women inherently feel in those examples and how to maximize your choices.

On a side note:
***Do not ever expect a woman's feelings to make sense to you. When they do make sense to you, consider it a bonus. Do not get attached to it happening consistently . If you do, you are only setting yourself up for frustration and disappointment.

***A woman's feelings do not need to make sense to you, in order for you to respond to them successfully (for yourself and in her experience as well).​

If you call/text too quickly after first contact, a woman MAY perceive/feels you are needy and desperate (lacking strength). If you stall in asking her out, because you appear afraid of her rejection to her, a woman perceives/feels you to be weak (lacking courage and the fortitude to protect her if harm were present). I am talking here about the feelings that she experiences that are stimulated before those from her conscious thoughts.

I am talking about the deep intrinsic drives that are beyond her conscious thought. A woman is intrinsically driven to men that she feels have the capacity to protect her from harm. I cannot emphasize that enough. In my perception, and experience, it is what compels women's attraction to alpha males. A woman perceives/feels their strength to a degree that a beta will never make her feel. That attraction is inherent. It's a deep drive and feeling experience, beyond her conscious mind.

Back to your post OP...
Step back and realize that what drives a woman's deepest attraction is beyond her conscious control. You can accept that and use the awareness gained to your advantage, or not. Misperceiving a woman's nature and her unconscious inner drives and then taking offense, as if they are a personal affront to you, will only gain you frustration.

The suggestions shared don't come from some arbitrary rules someone simply decided one day and if you play by them you are therefore giving up your power, to a woman or society somehow. Let that go. The suggestions come from the observation of the intrinsic response/feelings provoked in women. Women feel inherent attraction, yet (almost all) have no idea what drives it.

TL;DR Step back and realize not everything is a power play. Remind yourself that women don't always even understand their own feelings and what drives them. When you do, consider it a bonus. Her deepest attraction is outside her conscious awareness. Choose to make the most of that knowledge by interacting in ways that maximize her inherent attraction to you, rather than ever expecting her deepest programming to change.

^^^^^ YEP..... NC doesnt work if ther not into u.... U'll find that out.easy enuf, but if.they like u at any level, going NC will get their hamster wheeks running!

 

[LiveYourDream]

Let me add in that I agree with @fastlife that you do not have to wait to contact women some arbitrary number of days after first contact. I agree an insta-date or contacting further the same day CAN work, IF the woman perceives the man to be coming from a place of strength and already having a full life. This can NOT be faked. Women feel it! It's not about the words he speaks, it's about how she experiences him.

Many men get so excited inside themselves about the woman and/or potential bang and/or imagined relationship, that they almost immediately lose almost their center. They don't even know it!! Women can feel it, see it, and sense it, a mile away. It is a absolute MASSIVE attraction killer for women. To a man, it's simply his enthusiasm and excitement on how great he perceives this woman. Women do not experience it that way. Their deeper intrinsic biology screams predator and her defenses go up. She perceives/she feels that he is needy, desperate, doesn't have a life, desperate for women, or sex.

I suspect the the reason waiting a day or so after first contact is usually more successful (aside from increasing mystery), is it gives men a cooling off period in which to regain their center if needed, before interacting with her further.

 

[Aryan Prince]

So basically NC works on girls who are at some level into u, if their not into u.... Then there jack s.hit u can do! Going no contact does work!

 

[fastlife]

Let me add in that I agree with @fastlife that you do not have to wait to contact women some arbitrary number of days after first contact. I agree an insta-date or contacting further the same day CAN work, IF the woman perceives the man to be coming from a place of strength and already having a full life. This can NOT be faked. Women feel it! It's not about the words he speaks, it's about how she experiences him.

Many men get so excited inside themselves about the woman and/or potential bang and/or imagined relationship, that they almost immediately lose almost their center. They don't even know it!! Women can feel it, see it, and sense it, a mile away. It is a absolute MASSIVE attraction killer for women. To a man, it's simply his enthusiasm and excitement on how great he perceives this woman. Women do not experience it that way. Their deeper intrinsic biology screams predator and her defenses go up. She perceives/she feels that he is needy, desperate, doesn't have a life, desperate for women, or sex.

I suspect the the reason waiting a day or so after first contact is usually more successful (aside from increasing mystery), is it gives men a cooling off period in which to regain their center if needed, before interacting with her further.

Definitely valid in that you should never do anything until you have center. But you can also have center while being pushy and creating a sense of urgency. I look at it as a fire sale or an auction: Interest from a high value male--going once, going twice. Do I hear getting you back home? No. A phone number? Too cheap. Bid higher: coffee date--going once, going twice. Come now. Last chance. (Obviously, I don't vocalize this; but it's implied by the pace of the interaction.)

This isn't manipulation: my time & attention will never be as attainable to her as it is right now. Unless she's 100% exceptional, a phone number without the promise of a meetup is a throwaway; I'll give her the chance to retain my interest by texting her ASAP and getting her to agree to meet up ASAP (unless logistics are bad and then I'll be more laconic about things--"Well, I have to do x, y, and z over the next few days but I'll hit you up later in the week"). Otherwise she might cycle back to my attention on a rainy day maybe. But I might meet a new girl (or 3); a meteorite might hit earth tonight--no guarantees.

Girls will bid as low as possible for your time & attention if you let them. You have to set your price & stick to it (even in a relationship--much easier for her to bid lower as supply increases ) I put a lot of pressure on the front end--if it's too much for her right now, I can always just disappear for a couple weeks to give her time to process things; but she knows my price is meeting up with me in person and probably having sex. As a man, it's on you to makes things happen instead of rationalizing passivity, Well, if she's 'high interest' things'll just happen and I don't want to look 'desperate.'

With all due respect @LiveYourDream (who if you're dating women over 27ish or women who are entrenched in your social circle is probably spot on), I'm not sure you understand the massive amounts of attention and the constant bombardment of stimuli a hot girl in her early 20's experiences in 2016. You were in your prime in an era where a guy was only competing with the other guys who actually happened to see you in person and had the balls to approach you and get your number. When a guy called you a day or two later, you had a pretty good idea of who was calling--you didn't have all the time in the world to make up your mind and weigh your options (either you took his call or called him back or you never saw him again). Compare that to the reality of a stunner in 2016, where if she uploads the right selfie she could hypothetically have a high value rapper slide thru her DMs. It's necessary for guys to create that urgency; it'll only appear needy or desperate if you care about the outcome.

 

[LiveYourDream]

it'll only appear needy or desperate if you care about the outcome.

I agree with you wholeheartedly @fastlife. I honor and celebrate your confidence and sense of outcome independence. You earned those and now you own them. You appear to be having fun with it and still forcing yourself to push your own limits and comfort zones sometimes. You have a centeredness and foundation to push yourself from that in not so common. Your confidence and outcome independence exude from all your posts here. It's a gift to men here.

I perceive there to be a gap. I perceive a lot of men who are not yet as outcome independent, confident and centered, as you are, that want to be, yet don't know how to get there. They can tell themselves they are before they approach a woman. Deep down they are not there and they know it.

If you could post a thread that is dedicated to sharing how men can build that foundation of centeredness, confidence and outcome independence and/or your experience in doing so, it would assist so many men. Starting from next to nothing to what specific steps men can take to build their confidence, build their outcome independence, build that sense of centeredness. (Starting at Little league working up to the Majors) What actually worked for you and got you where you are? What steps can other men, who may have no idea where to begin, or are sort stuck along the way, or tired of faking it, actually do, to transform themselves and their experience. It's a lot to ask, I know. The potential gift is enormous. Whether you do it here or decide to put it in an e-book, or some other medium, just do it, somewhere. Your insight has so much wisdom that can assist others. You could really help a lot of men get free. If your willing, you have my vote.

 

[_sideways_]

I think I get it now....its like if I'm dating an older lady I should be glad that she feels the attraction for a "fun, care free" younger dude. Even though I may be super mature and older in spirit, I shouldn't take that sense away from her.
So let's let girls feel we are super busy even when we r not, or maybe we r so busy getting jacked and enjoying whatever is on tele.
Because HER brain computes it to be a positive thing.

 

[Huffman]

Face it, many women will give out their number even if they're not highly interested. For a variety of reasons which we don't need to discuss in this thread. So the number doesn't mean anything.
If she's really into you, waiting is perfect. If she's only lukewarm then, well...converting lukewarm into hot usually requires some sort of crazy power move.... but ask yourself, is the text you're writing really so strong?

Striking while the iron is hot is only for same-night hookups, right?

The solution is stepping up the game during the first meet, the number is not enough, you need even higher interest.

Because your question isn't really about when to text, it's about low interest&flaking.