The girls have already won.

[Trump]

I think if you have to come here and ask a question on how to handle a specific girl in a certain situation to have sex with her, the girl has already won and made your head spin.

You shouldn't be concerning yourself on when to text, how to text, what to say, when to say it, how often to approach, how to call, when to look, etc, etc, etc. You should be focused on your own thing and she should be coming along for the ride. If you are focused on anything other than your own thing and what you are trying to accomplish, you are side tracked and she is laughing at you.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

This is a great post. This year Ive probably posted on 4 different occasions about a new girl who was lukewarm. I didnt bang any of them or even get ONE DATE. However the last 3 girls I banged were just effortless.

Only place i disagree is that the girl "knows" she won. Its possible to run tight game and be insecure behind the scenes. She might be just as insecure

 

[Genos]

Trump, let me first say that I agree - this is the mindset that's most effective, bar none. However, most men (including myself) are not at that stage where purely "doing your own thing" is going to get results.

Though ultimately you should be doing whatever you feel is right in the moment, I (and many others here) have been completely clueless as to how to proceed with women - and this is where asking and learning about the general principles is extremely helpful, as you have a example for what worked. From there, you can identify WHY it worked, and that is the most important thing by far.

I think there will always be posts about how to interact with specific women and such, particularly when new members come to the forum. But there should be, within those threads, some description of the general principles AS WELL AS people conveying the idea that you should ultimately just do your thing. This is just my own theory, but this is the way I've been seeing the forum recently, and how men grow after they arrive here.

 

[RecoveringNiceGuy]

I agree with your point, however you need to remember that society as a whole has done a very poor of teaching men how to be men so you can't just tell guys to go out there and "focus on your own thing". That's like telling someone who has little to no proper basketball experience to "focus on putting the ball in the net". Once you've had a lot of practice with proper technique then yes, overthinking things will hurt you, a lot, but when you're new and still learning you need to have someone point out what you did wrong an why it was wrong.

I can understand you're coming from though. I know a guy who is one of those people who never learns. I repeatedly tell him to wait for her to contact him after the first date and he just doesn't listen. Before the date I told him NOT to text her afterwards. Next day he says "well I really feel like she needs to know that I had a good time so I texted her before I went to bed". Really...? Then I told him to wait and not contact her for a week unless she contacts him. Two days later "well she posted this picture on Facebook about the relationship she wants so I texted her and told her she might get it if she plays her cards right". WTF dude? Then I told him never contact her again unless she contacts him. Then another 2 days later "I called her again to give it one last try but she didn't answer". Hmm... I wonder why?

So there has to be a balance, you can't just go do whatever you think might work, you need to learn proper technique, but you can't be constantly second-guessing yourself and never learning anything either.

 

[El Payaso]

Agreed. Always focus on your goals and mission in life. Never focus on a woman. You will get sucked in, chewed up and spit out.

 

[SmooveMooves]

Respectfully disagree. All those things are important in maintaining frame and you should pay attention to them. It's just that usually when someone posts for advice on those matters, they've already made a **** ton of mistakes and the female was a lost cause to begin with. I get the point you are trying to make though.

 

[Bingo-Player]

Trumph you say this as though it’s a bad thing

If they hadn’t already won and guys hadn’t posted their stories on here I wouldn’t have a fraction of the experience I do with women now

The reason women are so much more socially advanced than us is because they are master conversationalists a trait that men never bothered learning over the years as they were too busy “doing their own thing”

 

[logicallefty]

We don't throw on a pair of ice skates and instantly know how to skate and play hockey. We go through a learning process, we fall, we bang up our limbs, sometimes hurt our ankles, fall flat on our a$$ or face, etc. We learn with practice and get better with every failure. No different with women. It's a learning process. Every failure described in the OP puts a man that much closer to success.

 

[nismo-4]

Agreed. Always focus on your goals and mission in life. Never focus on a woman. You will get sucked in, chewed up and spit out.

There is a similar thread to this title from a couple years back.
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=207636

Just because you focus on your goals, mission, doing your own thing, and not a woman does not mean women will suddenly be chasing you. Fortunately, I don't think this was implied.

I'll likely merge this thread with the linked one. Similar titles and concept.

So ordered.