If sex is so readily available then what is the point of MGTOW?

[C-quenced]

I'm just curious to know why men would do the whole MGTOW thing if sex was so easy to get. I personally don't find sex easy to get unless I'm in a relationship. Even then the frequency begins to slowly die out over time. And I'm only good in getting girlfriends if they're a part of my social circle. If I'm lacking one then forget it. To be brutally honest with you guys (and myself) the only thing keeping me pursuing women is the need for sex. I don't care for their companionship. In fact I'm much happier without. I would like to do the whole MGTOW thing but I'm afraid I'm my own worse enemy. As the classic Buddhist teaching states: Desire brings suffering. At the same time I don't think I want to eliminate that specific desire. It's what I live and breathe for.

 

[Alvafe]

yeah but desire is what make you move and do something, desire to have a better job, dedire to have a better life, desire to have a good GF, all that is your desire, someone without desire for something is someone pretty much dead inside, I know that pretty much because I'm/ was a dude without desire for anything, simple put I don't had the will/desire/passion to do something so I simple kept myself confortable, but the catch is if you want to do anything you will need desire.

for the MGTOW, first party is not lack of desire, they have desire, a desire to have a better life with he is not a slave of a *****, what you lack is options and to fix that you need to have the desire to better yourself, and that would mean go out more, leave your confort zone and be open for rejection so you can risk to find more woman.

 

[C-quenced]

for the MGTOW, first party is not lack of desire, they have desire, a desire to have a better life with he is not a slave of a *****, what you lack is options and to fix that you need to have the desire to better yourself, and that would mean go out more, leave your confort zone and be open for rejection so you can risk to find more woman.

And this is why I'm on the fence about it. I've done this entire socializing thing for the purpose of meeting women on and off and with varying success. I will never get used to the discomfort of going out in public only to impress women, behave like a clown or a fake to compete for their attention and her stupid interest. Every time I would feel like I'm walking on egg shells and trying not to say or do the wrong thing that would "turn her off". I mean that gets old really fast, especially if you're depending on gaining her approval so that you can MAYBE get your **** inside of her. If you worry and are dependent on the opinions of others then you may as well be their slave.

If women are just as horny as men are then why don't they just put out without all the bull****? And please don't say it's because they fear being judged. No one's judging anyone here so that response is also bull****.

 

[Atom Smasher]

It's because it is true that 20% of men are doing 80% of having sex. The remaining 80% couldn't get laid if their lives depended on it. A sign of the times, and naturally MGTOW is the inevitable reaction.

 

[zonn]

Spend time and effort becoming good at cold approach. It won't come easy, you have to work at it.

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear Atom,
The 20/80 rule...Prietos Rule...seems one of the inexorable laws of the universe...but I think you are being unfair on many of the 80%...they just have no confidence,perhaps are too sensitive to rejection?...Who Knows,but more for us Huh? (Smile).

 

[C-quenced]

Spend time and effort becoming good at cold approach. It won't come easy, you have to work at it.

Isn't everyone and their great grandfathers cold approaching nowadays ever since this PUA stuff went into the mainstream? In that case every female out there must have their shields up even more. To be honest I don't like the PUA business. I was never a fan of canned/scripted lines and responses. On top of that it's just too much work to be fake. The only PUA related material I would bother reading these days is from rational male and heartiste.

I'll probably just hang out with my little brother and his DJ friends over at the clubs downtown (they get ***** thrown at them 24/7) and maybe I'll get some "natural game".

 

[sodbuster]

It depends on WHY you are going without women..... I pretty much went without in Dental School, for a year after the Divorce {house was flooded the same month}, and when I'm concentrating on making my next move in life. I don't need the extra BS it takes to get a woman, my focus is on the problem.....

 

[thatfeel]

You really don't need lines or scripted **** all you need when approaching a woman is to just be your cool calm and confident self. Own your ****. If she isn't receptive it's her loss. Maybe her dad just died or she's heavily conditioned by mass media to believe cold approaches are creepy. Doesn't matter.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

It's pretty common for humans to NOT be able to get something, then go through all kinds of philosophical BS to explain to THEMSELVES that they really don't want it. Or they really COULD get it if they really tried, but it's not worth the effort.

By and large though, MTGOW dudes can't get laid, or they can't get laid with the girls they think they "deserve." So they take their ball and go home.

Fairly similar to horridly ugly girls who become feminists because nobody other than some desperate beta geek would ever lay them.

As far as getting girls, it does take a lot of work. It's a skill like anything else, and it takes a lot of practice to get into that upper 20%. Most guys aren't willing to put in the work.

 

[zekko]

I see a lot of guys here saying they want the sex, but don't want the companionship. This kind of boggles my mind a little, because it seems like if you can't enjoy a woman's company, if you can't vibe with her, how are you getting into her pants? I guess it's PUA tricks, heavy sexual intent, and fakery.

I think it's a little unfair to say that 80% of men couldn't get laid to save their lives. Most guys I know are getting SOME action. It's a minority of guys who are real sad sack losers. It's a minority of guys who are really GOOD with women. And most guys are kind of in between/mediocre. They may not score consistently, but once in a while things go their way.

 

[ubercat]

+1 zekko
I m no pretty boy, not rich and have pretty minimal game. Been horizontal with over 40 women not UGs. Was married had 6 ltrs over 2 years each. If i never got laid again i couldnt really *****. Can't b so hard.

 

[Tenacity]

I'm just curious to know why men would do the whole MGTOW thing if sex was so easy to get. I personally don't find sex easy to get unless I'm in a relationship. Even then the frequency begins to slowly die out over time. And I'm only good in getting girlfriends if they're a part of my social circle. If I'm lacking one then forget it. To be brutally honest with you guys (and myself) the only thing keeping me pursuing women is the need for sex. I don't care for their companionship. In fact I'm much happier without. I would like to do the whole MGTOW thing but I'm afraid I'm my own worse enemy. As the classic Buddhist teaching states: Desire brings suffering. At the same time I don't think I want to eliminate that specific desire. It's what I live and breathe for.

There's four levels of MGTOW and only levels three and four involves not dating/sexing women. To sum up:

Level One is when you are still willing to marry women and/or make children with them, even though you have red pill knowledge, but you feel as though you can risk mitigate the situation in some capacity.

Level Two is when you just date/sex/do short term relations with women.

Level Three, you only deal with women professionally, you don't date/sex them at all.

Level Four, you don't work and you drop out of life in a "ghosting" type of fashion.

 

[MatureDJ]

I spend a lot of the year living abroad in a place where commercial sex is available and affordable - and where there are good women to meet & find as well. I have found that by using commercial sex for the physical aspect of a relationship, I have the attitude of being a lot more free in only doing things that I would have no problem doing irrespective of women, and not doing the things that I would only (or mainly) do for the opportunity to meet women. I suppose that just by living abroad I am doing something that I ordinarily wouldn't do, to some extent, but I am comfortable with that, as I am only missing doing a few things when I am away. (NOTE: I still troll the free dating sites abroad, but I do it at my leisure, not as an all-encompassing endeavor.)

Now, when I was living exclusively in a certain North American country where commercial sex outside of the imperfect lap dance was legally unavailable and unaffordable, trying to meet women either for serious courting, or even for a casual encounter, was high on my mind, including hitting the tavern on Thursday nights for a rough Friday. I now no longer ever do anything that I wouldn't care to do on my own. Now, I still socialize, and even try to met women that way, but I enjoy the socializing, and don't feel like I have debased myself my doing it.

 

[C-quenced]

I see a lot of guys here saying they want the sex, but don't want the companionship. This kind of boggles my mind a little, because it seems like if you can't enjoy a woman's company, if you can't vibe with her, how are you getting into her pants? I guess it's PUA tricks, heavy sexual intent, and fakery.

You don't have to like her as a person in order for your **** to get hard. The issue here lies with women as they can't seem to want the sex without having their stupid page long list of criteria met before she lets you smash. I find their demands impossible to meet.

I'm beginning to lean towards calling it quits.

MGTOW = Porn addict

I discovered lucid dreaming. It actually works. I think I'll be more productive, hugely successful and best of all HAPPY in my life without having members of the opposite sex exploiting the fact that I actually have a sex drive.

 

[G_Govan]

You don't have to like her as a person in order for your **** to get hard. The issue here lies with women as they can't seem to want the sex without having their stupid page long list of criteria met before she lets you smash. I find their demands impossible to meet.

I'm beginning to lean towards calling it quits.

I lower my expectations.

I have a sex drive and of course they're the only ones who can satisfy that need so I have no choice but to pursue them. What I do is enjoy the frivolous, goofy time we have enough to get what I'm really after and then when I've had enough, retreat to my condo. The key to my method is not living with them but giving them the impression that there "may" be a future. When the jig is up they either leave and come back later or stay gone.

The reason a lot of men want their girlfriends/wives to be their best friends is because they stop hanging out with their guy friends, they're essentially lonely.

There was a time when men used to have all sorts of clubs/venues that were exclusively for men. Now, if you're out in public without a chick it's assumed you're either gay, a loser or on the prowl for p-ssy.

 

[exhausted]

I lower my expectations.

I have a sex drive and of course they're the only ones who can satisfy that need so I have no choice but to pursue them. What I do is enjoy the frivolous, goofy time we have enough to get what I'm really after and then when I've had enough, retreat to my condo. The key to my method is not living with them but giving them the impression that there "may" be a future. When the jig is up they either leave and come back later or stay gone.

The reason a lot of men want their girlfriends/wives to be their best friends is because they stop hanging out with their guy friends, they're essentially lonely.

There was a time when men used to have all sorts of clubs/venues that were exclusively for men. Now, if you're out in public without a chick it's assumed you're either gay, a loser or on the prowl for p-ssy.

Good points,
also that time where men could go be men, have clubs, numerous hobbies was a time when he didnt have to worry about his neighbor trying to bang his wife. Now days these cowards hide behind fb and such to charm a woman behind your back like a *****...

 

[LiveFreeX]

What is the point of MGTOW?

To go your own way.

To increase personal responsibility by taking a break from 'bubble game' and force yourself to step outside the bubble. A lot of MGTOWs have since expat-ed to foreign lands in search of quality, child/family bearing women.

To stop feminism by denying western women access to easily marriageable beta providers...(btw if you are reading this forum you are a beta provider).

Sex in the West is readily available, MGTOW are searching for QUALITY SEX. After all, sex eventually leads to procreation and who doesn't want the best quality mate for their future children? The divorced MGTOW know that better than anyone.


Would rather choose

than

Both video's stars' are the same age. You can clearly see their societal values reflected in the videos.

Sex is not the be all end all to life. Choosing a proper wife and mother for your children is also paramount to success in the first world. Any man can make money and gain power, its the woman you choose who will ultimately decide whether you get to keep it or not.

IMO personal experience, my foreign wife of 5 years has thus far given me 0 problems, can cook, clean, makes a concentrated effort to get along and impress my parents and still looks like a 16 y/o girl. Probably the best decision I have ever made. I am now fairly well off money wise, making more responsible decisions with my life's direction and for the first time in my life have money in the bank and my feet on the ground. I can say that the same is true for every guy I knew that did the same (most have children now).

Contrast that to the story of every man stuck in a first world 'starter marriage'. The idea was never to walk away from society as a whole but to rejoin it once you could clear your head and break away from western society's chains. Break down the values, build them back up again and spread the word. That was what I understood MGTOW to be and has been my experience thus far.

I believe this is stage 5.

 

[latinnova]

To add to this, I am sure there are some MGTOWs that are able to get what ever pvssy they want, but in all honosty it gets boring after a while. I don't have a raging hard on like I did when I was in my early 20s and my mind isn't bent only on getting the pvssy like it once was. Now and days it's one of the last things on my mind. I like to go out and enjoy myself. Head to the mountains, go to the beach, read a new book, learn a new program, etc. etc... Don't get me wrong, I still get the pvssy, but it's literally just one of those things where if it's in front of me then of course I will stick it in, but I'm just not dying to get me some.

 

[C-quenced]

Good points,
also that time where men could go be men, have clubs, numerous hobbies was a time when he didnt have to worry about his neighbor trying to bang his wife. Now days these cowards hide behind fb and such to charm a woman behind your back like a *****...

Since women are by nature the gatekeeper to sex then wouldn't it be her responsibility to keep her legs closed? If sex is to take place it's because the woman (NOT the man) ultimately decides that it's going to happen. The "takes two to tango" line is oversimplified bull****. Why do you blame other men for women's decisions? It's an illogical line of thinking that'll get you into trouble. These are the same kinds of guys who shoot the guy his wife was cheating on him with and while he's rotting away in prison his wife goes and hoes herself out to the entire town. It's a lose/lose situation so who's the ***** now?

What is the point of MGTOW?

To go your own way.

To increase personal responsibility by taking a break from 'bubble game' and force yourself to step outside the bubble. A lot of MGTOWs have since expat-ed to foreign lands in search of quality, child/family bearing women.

To stop feminism by denying western women access to easily marriageable beta providers...(btw if you are reading this forum you are a beta provider).

Sex in the West is readily available, MGTOW are searching for QUALITY SEX. After all, sex eventually leads to procreation and who doesn't want the best quality mate for their future children? The divorced MGTOW know that better than anyone.


Would rather choose

than

Both video's stars' are the same age. You can clearly see their societal values reflected in the videos.

Sex is not the be all end all to life. Choosing a proper wife and mother for your children is also paramount to success in the first world. Any man can make money and gain power, its the woman you choose who will ultimately decide whether you get to keep it or not.

IMO personal experience, my foreign wife of 5 years has thus far given me 0 problems, can cook, clean, makes a concentrated effort to get along and impress my parents and still looks like a 16 y/o girl. Probably the best decision I have ever made. I am now fairly well off money wise, making more responsible decisions with my life's direction and for the first time in my life have money in the bank and my feet on the ground. I can say that the same is true for every guy I knew that did the same (most have children now).

Contrast that to the story of every man stuck in a first world 'starter marriage'. The idea was never to walk away from society as a whole but to rejoin it once you could clear your head and break away from western society's chains. Break down the values, build them back up again and spread the word. That was what I understood MGTOW to be and has been my experience thus far.

I believe this is stage 5.

I don't want to get married and neither do I want any kids. This was something I wanted between the ages of 17 - 24 and since then I've outgrown that. I've been thinking of leaving the U.S. for some time now as I need a change of scenery. Maybe Norway or Sweden but I'm leaning more towards Japan (and none of my choices has anything to do with women).