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Anti-no wan*ing post!

I don’t consider myself to be has good as some people on this board in there ways to create posts that can motivate, with there well written formula, but I do consider myself to be up there in terms of scoring women and having sex. Now you can take this has you want, listen to my advice due to an experience guy who has had the pleasure of knowing well over 150+ women, or you can pass over it, since it does not have the written flair of others that have come and gone.

I am making this post, due to the belief that refraining from wan*ing is a good method for pulling women.

This is in my opinion very bad advice.

I am not going to post medical rational, to me I don’t give a monkey’s about what the medical experts say, if my health is going to be better, if my testosterone levels are going to improve, this is about wan*ing in terms of ‘pulling women’, if your refraining from wan*ing due to medical reasons, good for you, but this post is not about that, I am not interested in that, but I am interested in the rubbish that is spread about how it can help you get women, by not wank*ing.

Facts for refraining from wan*ing:

These are the perceived facts, people spread on these seduction forms, why it is essential to refrain from wan*ing to get women.

It increases your testosterone
It makes you go and talk to a girl
It makes you more aggressive
It makes you want to do things
It fills you with energy

e.t.c

key objective is to PULL WOMEN and have SEX with them, is it not?

So let’s take these apart:

Testosterone – look lets face it here I don’t really give a monkey’s if it does or it does not, if you want to increase testosterone, fine don’t wan*, but if you think you need to do this to get women, your VASTLY mistaken.

It makes you go and talk to the girl – If you think wan*ing is the golden bullet to finally rid you of your inner wuss, your totally mistaken, actually you have this the complete and opposite way around. Talking to a girl, is about getting over your fears, working on your ‘limited belief’ system and getting rid of your inner demons and growing the BALLS to get over your FEAR, if you refrain from wan8ing to do this your only prolonging your WUSS ASS way’s, your simply putting off the need to confront your fears. This is LOOSER mentality, after the refraining from wan*ing phase, I guarantee most of you blue ball wuss bags, will just think of something else to stop you from overcoming your FEAR OF REJECTION. You will have to talk to her, regardless of wan*ing or not, you may as well FINALLY ACCEPT IT, don’t prolong it by making up AFC type wuss stuff like refraining from wan*ing.

It makes you more aggressive – even if it does so what? You think walking around like some cave man is going to score you some puss*? You still need to talk to the girl.

It makes you want to do things – if you need to refrain from wan*ing to do action in your life, to improve your success rate with the opposite sex, your really do need to re-evaluate your ideals. The fact you have not had se* for a few months or years should be action enough, giving yourself blue balls, is just being ‘again’ an AFC wuss bag, who is thinking of excuses to keep him inside the condition of AFC land (Average frustrated Chump).

It fills you with energy – drink a red bull or have a coffee FFS, don’t refrain from wan*ing to please puss*.


I have fuc*ed well over 100+ women, I lost count at about 150+, yeh I am bragging, so what? It is the truth why should I lie or make this shi* up, I don’t need to impress some AFC wuss bags on a Seduction forum that think ‘getting blue balls’ is the way to score, if some guy can come on here who has scored has many girls has I have and state not wan*ing is good, I will listen, BUT THIS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING I KNOW about scoring women!

I tried this none wan*ing thing, you want to know what I found:

I found I got frustrated.
I found the energy I had to do things, was in fact my frustration trying to get a release.
I found it hard to walk down a street and not perv at all the girls about, I felt a little weird like some closet perv.
When I score, I CAME in about 5 SECONDS flat, this is from a guy who can go for at least 20mintues, to an hour, I have had girls state ‘I love your stamina’, I have had so much puss* it looses its luster after a while, so whilst some of you reading this would cream at the first sight of one, to me there just there, hence I can LAST, but not when I got blue balls.
I was more aggressive, more snappy with people, I was like some 10year smoker, trying to quit!

This is what I found when I refrained from wan*ing.

Not good, no positive application for it, did it improve my chances of scoring women?

No did it hell! I was probably WORSE, for doing this then I would have been if I would have wan*ed.


Ok now that’s the ripping apart the ‘Pro refrain from Wan*ing BS’ that is prominent on seduction boards:

Now the reason TO W*NK and how it WILL HELP YOU TO SCORE!

I want you instead before you go out to meet girls to, HAVE A WAN*.

Yes you read it right I want you to WAN*, I want you to watch porn, I want you to get yourself in such a sexual state, you cant help to jizz in about 5seconds, then I want you to go out and have a great night out, why do I want you to do this:

This will help you SCORE far better then NOT WAN*ING.

By wan*ing you remove the URGE to have SEX, that’s right you REMOVE the urge to have sex, that way when YOU INTERACT with a WOMEN you talk to her with your brain not with your **** that is suffering from blue balls syndrome.

Women I will state this again, women like the chase the mystery, they like something to get there claws into, when you talk to a women and you don’t have the urge to fuc* her right there and then, you make it so she CHASES YOU and women LOVE THIS, instead of you being some BLUE BALLED MONKEY who will sacrifice anything to get in her pants.

Being a blue balled MONKEY will:
Lead you wide open to – Coc* teasers, low quality women, women with cra* attitudes, women that are just not worthy of what you have to offer.
It will make you want to fuc* anything and it will make your tolerate Female BS, because your BALLS are doing to talking for you, hence YOU WILL GET BLUER and BLUER balls, has only the MOST DESPERATE WOMEN will go for an AFC with Blue balls.
You still wont open up women has you have taken the FALSE PILL, you still are plagued by your insecurities and FEARS, having blue balls wont take them away, they will simply make you more frustrated has you see those big bouncing breast and tight ass*es pass you by.

Having an attitude where she has to try to impress you has you’re a guy who really only goes for quality will get you more women in the sack then going up-to them like a foaming at the mouth sex pest.

Having blue balls from not wan*ing is simply having blue balls, nothing more nothing less.

Wan*ing before you go out, puts your BRAIN in order, which means when you do finally overcome YOUR FEAR OF REJECTION your in a far better place to control the situation, your in a better place to WALK AWAY from low quality women, your in a better place to QUALIFY women on YOUR STANDERDS, in that totally and completely, REMOVING THE INNER SUPPLICATING WUSS.

The bonus:

You can go a lot longer when she does come back to your place, has you have already come once, which means you can please her and in that, you can sit back knowing she will be back for round two and round three.

I also know for a FACT, women seem to pick up on the vibe you can go longer has ‘you just came’.

I have a mate who has scored over 300+ women, he used to be a prolific wan*er, he has a very high sex drive, he would find anyone not wan*ing for the sake of women to be looser type behaviour.

Wan8ing will not get you women, getting over your limited beliefs and fears WILL, adding the extra thing of WAN*ING will help you TO CONTROL the SITUATION to your advantage and avoid poor quality women.

Remember if you just came, its going to take a dam sexy women to get you aroused again, THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT!

The guys chasing the low quality women are the ‘abstain from wan*ing guys’, has there balls are doing the talking.

WAN* before you GO OUT, BUT make an EFFORT to talk to women also.

Wan8ing before you go out, also removes the edge of the ‘fear of rejection’ since your not fighting your frustration, instead your thinking clearly and it that you can move on and not take it personal you did not get sex.

Even low quality women would prefer to know they have ‘achieved’ something by scoring with you, rather then you coming along like some rabid monkey who has to have sex.

Your more of a challenge, a mystery, you can turn the situation to your choosing, you don’t have to jump through hoops, your qualify the women on her actions, you are not manipulated by the thought of getting her *pu*ssy*.

I understand the concept of getting to an arousal state to show women your interested in sex, there is a MASSIVE difference to being in 'an aroused state and being frustrated'. You can still be aroused and in control of your actions after having a wan*, actually you could even be more aroused then if you had blue ball*s.

Blue balls will make you resentful, wan*ing will make your peaceful.

Have a wan*, watch some kic* ass por8, then make a pact with yourself to make the porn a reality, then go out and get it! You will be in a far better place to be able to score then be some foaming blue balled monkey who will fuc* anything, who still cant talk to a girl since he is using silly ideals to stop him from tackling his inner WUSS!

you will enjoy the sex more also, instead of putting it in and then coming in two seconds and being the laughing stock of all her mates the next time she see's you!
 

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i agree but I think you're missing the point. too many of these dudes are jacking off like crazy all the time so they're satisfied, they dont have the hunger to meet chicks it keeps them static. everyone needs to wank, but not all the time or twice a day!
 

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juice veteran said:
i agree but I think you're missing the point. too many of these dudes are jacking off like crazy all the time so they're satisfied, they dont have the hunger to meet chicks it keeps them static. everyone needs to wank, but not all the time or twice a day!
My mate used to wank 3 x a day, hence your point is mute!
He has fuc*ed well over 300 girls, how many have you had?

There not pulling girls, by wanking there not pulling girls by following stupid advice!

Dont wank for a month, 'dam i failed, i saw a hot girl in a red dress, back to day one' Five months later and 4 wan*s they still have achieved jack shi*.

It's a blue pill!

Tbh i care not if you listen to me, i am not here to play forum tennis with guys on my experiance, i have fuc*ed a hell of a lot of women and i can see when ppl are swollowing bile and poor advice.

you can wan* has much as you dam well please!

to many are stuck in the theory, to actually get out and do what works.

I find wanking imporved my chances, it does not matter how many times i do it, same with every guy i know who pulls women.

Some guys have an insane sex drive, so what?

Wank and go out and get sex, the reason there not successful is nothing to do with wanking, but WANKING will help them to CONTROL a situation!
 

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Like the confident attitude, but your talking about what works for you i.e w*nking works for you. That might not work for others (like it doesnt work for me). Capish? No dont tell me, you dont give a monkey's cuz your a geezer, sweet governor!!! :)
 

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sexybeast said:
cuz your a geezer, sweet governor!!! :)
:cool:

A geezer i like that :D

Glad your blue balls help you to score women, but I highly doubt its the lack of spunk over wrist action that causes you to score.

Why do people peddle this limited belief nonsense?

If your pulling chicks, its not due to your balls turning blue, hell you have something else going on, I would wager the blue ball thing is simply a false placebo effect where by ‘you think’ you have gone without masturbating for two weeks makes it so you ‘deserve’ puss*.

That’s all it is, some weird placebo concept, if you can score women by refraining from masturbating, you can score women by being a prolific masturbator, the difference is at least by wanking, you can make the situations in your favour instead of being a frustrated horn dog, who would stick his dic* in a hole in the wall if it was pulsating juices from it.

I would actually, I KNOW if you can score women and you WAN*ED when ever the hell you felt like it, your success would probably increase, not decrease.

If you need it has a motivator to go out drinking, or scoring, then that’s your choice, but know this:
I don’t, none of my mates don’t and many other guys I know who score regular puss* don’t either, it’s only these seduction forums that breed this nonsense and in-fact it is complete and utter bolloc*s, no pun intended.
 

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Glad your blue balls help you to score women, but I highly doubt its the lack of spunk over wrist action that causes you to score.
Your right its everything else about me that causes me to score, but I just find when I reframe from smacking the monkey (everyday) I have much more motivation to get the job done. I dont get frustrated or anything like that because I balance it out.

I wouldnt say dont w*nk for a whole month, that would send most guys crazy. On the flip side I wouldnt say w*nk everyday becauseit helps to be in a more horny state.

Balance it out.
 

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I tend to have more energy and be more motivated to do stuff when I dont wa*k.

This in turn helps me to pick up chicks, it also makes a BIG difference when Im in the gym.

But hey that's just me, keep doing what works for you.
 

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Hmmm I always liked Gunwitch method and his philosophies...this is basically the opposite.

Its kinda confusing...
 

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Gunwitch was bullsh!t rapist.

They actually found out on other site, he had raped girls before or would force them into having sex.
 

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Bvbidd said:
Gunwitch was bullsh!t rapist.

They actually found out on other site, he had raped girls before or would force them into having sex.
Links please
 

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every time i w-a-n-k it, i always have bad luck or something embarrassing happens.
 

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It was on another message board as he was describing FRs he pointed out the girl would have sex with him out of fear as he was an angry drunk. He got made fun of after that and stopped posting.
 

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L777 said:
Hmmm I always liked Gunwitch method and his philosophies...this is basically the opposite.

Its kinda confusing...

At first glance it could be seen to contridict gunwitch, but actually it compliments it.

By wanking before you go out, when you actually open up girls, trust me you will start feeling in the mood again, unless your some wierd sub species man.

hell most people can wank up to 3 x a day, granted you do this for a week on end your going to get ball strain, but still.

I have had sex with 3 girls in the same day.

My mate who wanked twice before we went out, had sex with 5 girls in one night (two of the girls he was seeing, one was a toilet fuc*, the other two where a girl he picked up in the day, the other was one after the club)

this seems like far fetched stuff, but i will put my reputation on the line and swear this is the TRUTH.

Every time i wanked before i went out, i was cooler, more relaxed, in control of the situation, was able to knock the C&F type stuff out easier, i am not concerned that much with rejection, i can hold eye contact longer.

You know why? because the Puss* has lost its lusture, your no longer a slave to it, hence your in a better position to control it.

Also i know when i have had a tug over some kick ass por*, i still have that image in my mind, it confirms that women do 'enjoy' sex, granted por* is fake, but 'women enjoy sex' by watching por* then wanking shows me 'it is fine to be sexual with a women'.

Now if i refrained from wanking, its far easier to get pulled back into the matrix of 'women are pristine and prim and proper' type BS.

Women love sex.

Wanking prior to going out, confirms even with por* wome ARE SEXUAL CREATURES.

Has for gunwitch, he said get into a sexual state not be a rabid horn dog with blue balls.

I like gunwitch method simply because his post is about communicating sexual interest, with a women its a fine line, not many women want a sex starved AFC, they would prefer a 'challange' some-one who they have to put a little effort in to get, granted slu*s and tar*s will fuc* you, but you dont need blue balls to get those.

If wanking caused you to have bad luck, sorry you have some de-programming to do, you probably got raised to see this has bad, hence you have the mindset 'bad things will happen'.

last time i pulled, i just had sex with a 21 year old.
My mate phoned me, i went out to meet him in a club at 12:30, i was in cool relaxed mood, doing my thing, checking the girls out, whilst i watched most of the other guys:

Dance like retards, trying to get women to give them attention.
Guys posing at the bars, trying to get women’s attention.
Guys acting all weird (formal e.t.c) to get women’s attention.

Long story short, i am stood at the dance floor, this blonde girl is stood at the side of me, we start making small talk, i played it cool, relaxed, chilled had fun with her, at the end of this night, she was in my bed.

When i did the wanking experiment i would have been one of those jokers on the dance floor trying to impress whilst waving my arms like some looney, wishing some girl will take away my blue balls, like most other chumps out there.

Wank as much as you dam well please.

In-fact wank before you go out!
 

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You know jonwon I just think your ultra, ultra horny sh1t in general :yes: . You make it seem as though we will all become this sex craved sexually frustrated moster, slave to the pvssy that can not focus beond his c0ck. That isnt the case when you understand pvssy don't have any real value to a guy with quality D1CK.

last time i pulled, i just had sex with a 21 year old.
My mate phoned me, i went out to meet him in a club at 12:30, i was in cool relaxed mood, doing my thing, checking the girls out, whilst i watched most of the other guys:

Dance like retards, trying to get women to give them attention.
Guys posing at the bars, trying to get women’s attention.
Guys acting all weird (formal e.t.c) to get women’s attention.

Long story short, i am stood at the dance floor, this blonde girl is stood at the side of me, we start making small talk, i played it cool, relaxed, chilled had fun with her, at the end of this night, she was in my bed.
Thats all good, but here's another short story. I was having it large on the dance floor, dancing like a retard not giving a f*ck (getting ioi's left and right) noticed a bird I liked the look of went in behind her, started grinding (still dancing like a c*nt) spining her around, kissing ect at the end of the night I was in her bed, and my mate was f*cking her mate in the next room.

Anyway I think the point your trying to make is "if guys have the right attitude, tight inner game and lots of confidence it doesnt matter if you W*NK 3x a day or once a week you will still score".

Is that about right geezer? ;)
 

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Daily masterbation = fuccking up your subconcious mind

I can't get the same arousal/peak when masterbating as when I **** a girl. You know why?
Because you're not fuccking a girl, you're using your hand to pleasure yourself. It doesn't compare.

I say: Do it once in 2 weeks, only when you're not having sex and just need a release and make it a good one.

My personal experience is that I feel a boost in energy/testosterone when I've had sex, while it's a decrease when I masterbate. It makes sense. Masterbating = beta male behavior
Having sex with your girl = alpha male behavior

Conclusion:
This thread is BS. OP should find a passion in his life to use his gained energy on. (and no, that passion can't be women)

The bonus:

You can go a lot longer when she does come back to your place, has you have already come once, which means you can please her and in that, you can sit back knowing she will be back for round two and round three.
This is true, but you can just as easily fucck her, chill out for 10 minutes and go for a round 2 and 3 instantly.
 

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I think we could all stand to learn something from women. Mainly the ones who are like "whatever, I don't need you, I have a vibrator." And they're not the least bit shameful to admit it. So why the double standard?

And my "alpha male behavior" was always what got me shut down with my GF... :crackup:
 

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Holland said:
This thread is BS. OP should find a passion in his life to use his gained energy on. (and no, that passion can't be women)
Passion in his life, trying to insult me? You think my passion is wanking? insult my post by trying to make me out to be some obsessive wank*r to make your AFC shi* seem like is has substance was a weak effort!

Your post is BS, not mine, how many girls have you slept with?

15?

sexybeast put it in a good way, it matters not how many times you wan* at all, so why dont you take your stupid arse* advice and save it for AFC retards who will swollow your bile.

Telling guys to not wank is the most stupid ars** shi* i have ever seen in a seduction forum!

Infact the opposite is true.

It gives your more energy, sure it does! Try having a coffee.

Wank has much as you dam well please, ignore the AFC bile that is prominent on these boards, even from so called Master DJ's!

here is a test for you!

go without wan*ing for a month see how you do.

Or instead have tug before you go out!

Sic* of seeing stupid ars** AFC retarded shi* on these boards (some one needs to put a STOP to this CRA*), what does one have to do to get the master dj title on these boards, simple all the have to do is HAVE A POST COUNT.

Posting nonesense should not come with the Master DJ badge, not that the title means jack shi* anyway!

Anway i have said enough, i expected so called DJ's to come out of the woodwork to advocate this cra*, i have said what i know to be FACT! I dont intend to fill this thread up with dic* tennis.

You refrain from wank*ing to give you energy, me i will do it when i dam well please, when i see kick ars* por*, when i have a girl over and i do it over her breast*, or any other day of the week when i feel like it, everyone does it!

I WILL STILL SCORE MORE P***Y THEN YOU! in bold so you understand!

who's post is BS?

Who gives a shi* about energy?

"wow holland you have so much energy"
*yeh it's because i dont wan*"

Thats some funny shi* right there!

Beta male, sure, you keep telling yourself this cra*, all my mates who are succesful and far more succesful then most guys i see in the seduction community, dont have a problem with it, are they beta males? They would not give a to** if you called them a beta male or not, they would still score more then you ever could, especcially when you believe so much retarded theory, to be the truth.

A true alpha would do what the dam well he wanted to do and not listen to nonsense on a forum! Hence you spin your Beta BS to me or my mates, they will laugh in your face! also you post implies i am a beta male, i would rather be a better male then walk around with so much shi* in my head and be some seduction trick puppet!
 
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juice veteran said:
jonwon you sound pretty frustrated mate.


go and have a w*nk.
I just may do that :D

Got a girl coming over, but i have things to sort out, so i think some ten minute porn and i can see her tomorrow, the lucky biatch :D

Bang Bro's have some awsome stuff on there site!

Too much information, lol!

I love it when women wank also, you ever caught a women out wanking? Nothing better then have the women play with herself has she goes down on you, i suppose i should tell her to stop or she wont have the energy for sex.
 
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