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Some white people just love being offended & upset.

Has affirmative action ever affected YOU, ever? "no, but I know a guy who has a friend who knows this one guy who....."

AA is not about quotas. It's about making a good faith effort to recruit qualified minority applicants and about having your workforce reflect the demographics in your metro area.

And it's required for government contractors, but not all private employers.
 

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Do a google search for "White Privilege" and read the first couple of links.
 

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Dear All,
What has any of this rubbish got to do with the original thread?....
 

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I'm tired of this BS that I have, or at some time HAD, an advantage because I'm White.

It's a dirty lie. I've earned everything I have by hard work.

Never was I given A SINGLE THING simply because I'm White.

Actually, the issue is not really with Black people. It's with the government, which is run by Jews and corrupt Whites. These are the people that are using the Black race as a Frankenstein monster to destroy the White race. Why? Because only the White race is a threat to them. They saw this happen in Germany as recently as 1930's with the National Socialists and Adolf Hilter. They fear that kind of movement rising again, and they see all Whites as potential "Nazis". The solution? Mix em away... it's genocide. But that is an entirely different subject, and not fit for this board.
 

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Jitterbug said:
Do a google search for "White Privilege" and read the first couple of links.
Written by crackpot leftists, whining Blacks, and most of all: JEWS. The engineers of these lies.

"privilege" my ass. Tell me EXACTLY what has been given to me because my skin is White, or STFU.
 

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SoCalMike said:
Written by crackpot leftists, whining Blacks, and most of all: JEWS. The engineers of these lies.

"privilege" my ass. Tell me EXACTLY what has been given to me because my skin is White, or STFU.
Well don't dismiss the messages that easily just because it comes from people you don't like.

Here's one for you (also written in one of the links I mentioned): as a white person, your successes or failures aren't attributed to your race. They're all yours. You are treated as an individual and not a representative of your race.

For example, if a white guy is hard-working, people would say: "He's a hard-working boy!". If an Asian guy is hard-working, people would say: "Asians are hard-working" - thus giving him the individual less credit (the reality is that there are plenty of Asians who are lazy). This matters a lot when it comes to promotions.

If a black guy gets in troubles with the law, people don't just think that he the individual is trash. Other blacks get to share that too.

You have no idea how much pressure this places on minorities and causes all sorts of identity crisis. As a Caucasian, you may not be aware of this privilege though, as you never have to face the other side.
 

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Does someone saying "you're white, you have it easy" not count for this?.
Yeah, somewhat, but it's fairly minor compared to what minorities have to deal with. Caucasians only have to listen to a few jokes poking fun at them from people who aren't in a position of power to do anything actually harmful to them in most cases.

Minorities can overcome such things. It's not a huge weight they have to drag along, but it's still some weight, and in the race of life, it's still not fair.

This comes from my personal experience as an Asian guy. When I applied for jobs a while back, I used my Asian name on the resume. I was qualified and got decent experience for those jobs, but kept getting nothing. A lawyer friend of mine (white gal who works with minorities) advised me to use an Anglo firstname (I didn't have one, and still don't). I listened to her, and immediately got plenty of interviews and landed a good job. Now I have built myself a good reputation in my field so I don't need to do that anymore. That time was the first and only time I've ever used a different name.

It wasn't an experience unique to me. Plenty of Asians I know have had the same. Caucasians never have to deal with that BS.

Same in the dating arena, since we're on SS. We have to deal with many negative stereotypes from the get-go. Again, nothing that can't be overcome, but it's still more work to do, compared to Caucasians.
 

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There's plenty of racism against blacks on an implicit, non-institutional level...ranging from de facto segregation that still keeps blacks out of many white neighborhoods, right down to the MANY cases of white cops harassing, arresting, and beating blacks who pose no threat....and on to cab drivers who don't pick up black fares, and store clerks who carefully eye the black customer browsing around. It is these current examples of racism against blacks that have shamed many blacks into self-loathing and distrust. A 29-year-old black woman I work with told me she wants to have children with either a white man or a very light-skinned black man because she doesn't want her kids to turn out dark. When I asked her why, she said that the darker you are, the worse you are treated. A couple of other blacks around her age overheard and vouched for her reason. Mind you, these are young blacks who were born well after desegregation. This woman even cited as an example an instance when she went to a store near our workplace with a black co-worker who is much darker than she is, and her friend got overlooked for service in favor of her, even though her friend was ahead in line. It's no wonder you see many blacks today who refuse to date blacks. They have been shamed into hating themselves.



Given history, it is justified to an extent.

Every action has a reaction. Sooner or later, every group that has been held down to the bottom IS going to undergo an uprising. They will eventually push back - HARD. Those at the top aren't going to like it because it is a disruption of their comfort zone and a threat to their position. It's quite simple: had there not been such anti-gay sentiment over the ages, you can bet there would be none of the gay pride parades that uppity straights complain about. That's why I find it so funny when I hear some people trying to use non-arguments such as "Well, you don't see straights having a 'straight pride' parade," or "You don't see there being a white history month." An oppressive group has never HAD to explicitly celebrate or defend itself, because they have CREATED the rights they enjoy, and they are used to their dominant position being the norm for the society at large. Some are SO used to being a part of the status quo that they don't even realize they are. As a result, they are SO out of touch with the notion of an oppressed group feeling a need to stand up and be counted that they misconstrue such reaction as a "threat" and "seeking special treatment." Consider how whites complain about the BET channel, saying "We'd never get away with having a white channel"...but such people are too short-sighted to realize that for the first several decades of television history, EVERY channel on tv was a "white channel," even if it wasn't referred to as such. All of this is why the terms "white power" and "black power" have completely different connotations. The former is indicative of the historically oppressive group retaining its status as oppressor, while the latter simply indicates the historically oppressed group no longer allowing its oppression. The latter does NOT reflect a desire to be the new oppressor. Had whites not been oppressive, the term "white power" today could actually hold positive connotations for society at large, rather than negative.

History has taught us that group oppression WILL have its consequences. In the grand scheme of things, affirmative action, blacks getting away with poking innocent fun at whites on tv, and whites being scarred with a negative reputation is nothing but the TINIEST of consequences.
Thanks for your article it's help me see things in a new light. Just curious what race are you?
 

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WHat a crock of ****. Ill give you the perspective of a white man who lived as a minority under African rule. African Americans have NOTHING to complain about anymore. They have been given everything on a silver platter. They revel in their compliant and they have a chip on their shoulder. If they hate the USA so much why not piss off back to Africa? Come and live under a black mans rule. Come see what its like. Not just some holiday to Lagos. I mean live and work in Africa.

Africans act as if they are the only race of people to ever suffer slavery. Every race on Gods green earth has suffered under its yoke. Africans just happened to be its latest victim.

The world went and got civilised. While white men were busy inventing or improving things like legal systems, currency, educational systems, developing amenities and improving living conditions they were also adopting interesting new political systems. Things like democracy and freedom of speech. Little things that never came from the jungles. These wonderful inventions came straight from the evil white man. They ALLOWED a level of freedom that Africans would never have had otherwise. If not for the conscious of the white man they would still be in the cotton fields

Now the evil white man not only decided that it was only fair for them to be born free, they sent their sons to war to fight for that right. The American civil war was all about freeing the black man and giving them independence. White people put their lives on the line for that belief.

Still, they ask for more and demand more. So we give them more. Preferential treatment through affirmative action. Excuses for the crimes they commit. Social grants and tax cuts. Excuses for the ****pit that Africa is. Always outward blame, never any accountability thrown at the feet of Africans. We absolve them of this because they are black (and in the process, ironically, insult them in the deepest way possible)

They will never be the equal of anyone until they start taking some responsibility for their own actions. No one is going to give them anything, although we continue to bend over backwards no end. They are not entitled to anything either. You want something you work for it. You want to improve your situation create something. This is something Europeans have done. No one helped us out. We had barbarians at the gate for 6000 years.

I lived in Africa. Never come across a culture of people more cruel to each other then Africans are. Babies thrown in the trash and SOLD to witch doctors for medicine. Women gang raped daily (in South Africa, 1 in 5 men have raped a woman. FACT) People shot and killed for mobile phones. Politicians so corrupt they would steal from their own mothers. Dictators invading rival countries for nothing other then diamonds. Tribal wars where they rape a woman after cutting off her breasts. Africans feel they have it hard as a minority in America? STFU

Slavery? The biggest slaver the world has ever seen is the African. He makes the slave trade of Europe PALE in comparison. They still trade in slaves to this day. Your brothers in the "homeland" are some of the most violent destructive people on Gods green earth.

I have had to work in the Congo, Liberia, Addis Ababa, Harare, Johannesburg, Kinshasa, Gabarone, Nigeria, Niger and Chad. I know Africa. I have lived with Africans, done business with Africans, travelled a hell of a lot through Africa and also had to live/work in countries as a minority in Africa. I wish I was given half the leeway the African American is given in the USA

Im ranting now. This **** probably all sounds so racist. Its not PC thats for sure. Its also not PC to say that feminism is a vile evil belief system that has corrupted society. Does not change facts though.
 

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It is clear that non-Whites will whine no matter how good Whites treat them. It's never good enough. We're always are being "unfair" and have it soooo good because we're White. :rolleyes:

All of you *****ing and moaning about how Whites have some kind of unfair advantage can kiss my White ass.
 

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Hooligan Harry said:
WHat a crock of ****. Ill give you the perspective of a white man who lived as a minority under African rule. African Americans have NOTHING to complain about anymore. They have been given everything on a silver platter. They revel in their compliant and they have a chip on their shoulder. If they hate the USA so much why not piss off back to Africa? Come and live under a black mans rule. Come see what its like. Not just some holiday to Lagos. I mean live and work in Africa.

Africans act as if they are the only race of people to ever suffer slavery. Every race on Gods green earth has suffered under its yoke. Africans just happened to be its latest victim.

The world went and got civilised. While white men were busy inventing or improving things like legal systems, currency, educational systems, developing amenities and improving living conditions they were also adopting interesting new political systems. Things like democracy and freedom of speech. Little things that never came from the jungles. These wonderful inventions came straight from the evil white man. They ALLOWED a level of freedom that Africans would never have had otherwise. If not for the conscious of the white man they would still be in the cotton fields

Now the evil white man not only decided that it was only fair for them to be born free, they sent their sons to war to fight for that right. The American civil war was all about freeing the black man and giving them independence. White people put their lives on the line for that belief.

Still, they ask for more and demand more. So we give them more. Preferential treatment through affirmative action. Excuses for the crimes they commit. Social grants and tax cuts. Excuses for the ****pit that Africa is. Always outward blame, never any accountability thrown at the feet of Africans. We absolve them of this because they are black (and in the process, ironically, insult them in the deepest way possible)

They will never be the equal of anyone until they start taking some responsibility for their own actions. No one is going to give them anything, although we continue to bend over backwards no end. They are not entitled to anything either. You want something you work for it. You want to improve your situation create something. This is something Europeans have done. No one helped us out. We had barbarians at the gate for 6000 years.

I lived in Africa. Never come across a culture of people more cruel to each other then Africans are. Babies thrown in the trash and SOLD to witch doctors for medicine. Women gang raped daily (in South Africa, 1 in 5 men have raped a woman. FACT) People shot and killed for mobile phones. Politicians so corrupt they would steal from their own mothers. Dictators invading rival countries for nothing other then diamonds. Tribal wars where they rape a woman after cutting off her breasts. Africans feel they have it hard as a minority in America? STFU

Slavery? The biggest slaver the world has ever seen is the African. He makes the slave trade of Europe PALE in comparison. They still trade in slaves to this day. Your brothers in the "homeland" are some of the most violent destructive people on Gods green earth.

I have had to work in the Congo, Liberia, Addis Ababa, Harare, Johannesburg, Kinshasa, Gabarone, Nigeria, Niger and Chad. I know Africa. I have lived with Africans, done business with Africans, travelled a hell of a lot through Africa and also had to live/work in countries as a minority in Africa. I wish I was given half the leeway the African American is given in the USA

Im ranting now. This **** probably all sounds so racist. Its not PC thats for sure. Its also not PC to say that feminism is a vile evil belief system that has corrupted society. Does not change facts though.
The one thing I can agree with you on is that the white man is so cunningly intelligent that it's scary. It is not even the acts that have been perpetrated in the past that bothers me but the way a few white men sneaked into America and Africa and some how tricked and took over their lands. While claiming to liberate the savages. Well, the savages had order in their savagery just the same way the civil have order in their civility but no they had to meddle and mess up the order within specific societies. Before I continue you do sound hateful and racist.
If you truly knew Africans as you tend to claim you will realize there's a difference in attitude between Africans and Black Americans. I think the Africans you mean to refer to were the slaves that were taken against their will and brought here. The generation that was born here afterwards are black American. The term African American should be changed to "black American" because no one says European American.
I'm glad for education because right now I'm taking a sociology class taught by a white man and with each class he explains to us how the whites treat other races in subtle cruel ways. So, please spare me. When a country finds out that insecticides that are used on crop are harmful instead of getting rid of them. They ship it to Africa and because we've been brain washed to think the west is all that. So, when the poisons are shipped to us we assume it's safe and use it. That's just one example. Most of what we are taught in school is taught from the white man's point of view. Why? because his way is the best and he knows it all? yet tell me how many black serial killers you've heard of? Most of the crimes amongst blacks stem from poverty. Yet you have the rich whites exploiting Africa for diamonds and even though the profit is so great. They pay the workers peanuts. So, excuse me if AA is used to give us some sort of relief. it's not a guarantee for success in and of it self.
Bottom line is that a lot of the problem we see today were directly and indirectly created by the white man. It's true that in some ways they are trying to make amends but the vicious cycle has spun out of control.
 

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Jitterbug said:
Here's one for you (also written in one of the links I mentioned): as a white person, your successes or failures aren't attributed to your race.
Yes they are. Whites are blamed as a whole for past injustices.

If an Asian guy is hard-working, people would say: "Asians are hard-working" - thus giving him the individual less credit (the reality is that there are plenty of Asians who are lazy). This matters a lot when it comes to promotions.
I don't believe that last statement FOR ONE SECOND. It goes against all experience I have had as an Engineer for the last 12 years.

If a black guy gets in troubles with the law, people don't just think that he the individual is trash. Other blacks get to share that too.
Look at Black on White crime rates. White people are responding to bad behavior, not causing it.

You have no idea how much pressure this places on minorities and causes all sorts of identity crisis. As a Caucasian, you may not be aware of this privilege though, as you never have to face the other side.
I think this identity crisis thing you have is your own personal problem, not a racial thing.

Now let's talk about something more concrete:

Non-Whites are allowed to have interest groups, Whites can't without called being labeled evil. Scholarships, student unions, lobbying groups, professional societies, etc.

Whites are living under a hostile Jewish government. Their propaganda tells Whites: you have done everyone else wrong. You owe them everything.

You are just regurgitating this propaganda. It's nothing but filthy lies, I will tolerate none of it.

The fact is, I have no privilege and this thinking of yours only stirs up animosity.
 

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jafyk said:
I'm glad for education because right now I'm taking a sociology class taught by a white man and with each class he explains to us how the whites treat other races in subtle cruel ways.
A White man by the name of Schlomo Goldberg...
 

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A White man by the name of Schlomo Goldberg...
Yeah, you know what come to think about it. He said he's your uncle. Too bad he defected. Considering he's teaching us the truth in class. I hope you and I can still be friends?
Funny enough someone in my class gave an AA presentation yesterday. This is hazy now but I think his research showed that even with AA the percentage of black compared to whites is about 3%. AA is not even the problem. The problem is that most factory workers who are minorities are losing their jobs duw to company's closing and moving overseas. Which leads back to poverty which leads to crime and the incarseration of about 2/3rds of blacks (This again according to your uncle Shlomo). You don't need white power etc because The whites are already the ruling majority making the rules. It's hard for you to see it from the minority point of view because you were born into the majority race. You can try moving to Africa and being the only white man you see in days and getting stares (not because there's anything wrong with you) but because people hardly see your kind back there except on tv. I'm sure you might kind of start to understand what it feels like to be a minority.
 

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Hi jafyk,

Pay for work in overseas lands often appears as peanuts, however what most people don't realize, is that the cost of everything over there is peanuts as well.

Often I hear of people speak on how low the wages are in India, or China or other places around the world.....what they never see is that everything sells there for a fraction of the price that it does in the West.

There's a larger picture to one's standard of living other than pay rate.

Generally most Africans know how to be content with what they have. Imagine if they were paid the minimum wage by American standards do you know how much problems that would solve? Considering that our currency is inferior. A lot of the violence one of the posters above mentioned all stem from poverty. What you don't know is that even things like welfare is still a form of social control. Most of the people on welfare are minorities. While this might seem like a good deed by the government it still indirectly helps to keep minorities in their current status. So, when if you come to think of it AA aint so bad.
 

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jafyk said:
The one thing I can agree with you on is that the white man is so cunningly intelligent that it's scary. It is not even the acts that have been perpetrated in the past that bothers me but the way a few white men sneaked into America and Africa and some how tricked and took over their lands. While claiming to liberate the savages. Well, the savages had order in their savagery just the same way the civil have order in their civility but no they had to meddle and mess up the order within specific societies. Before I continue you do sound hateful and racist.
If you truly knew Africans as you tend to claim you will realize there's a difference in attitude between Africans and Black Americans. I think the Africans you mean to refer to were the slaves that were taken against their will and brought here. The generation that was born here afterwards are black American. The term African American should be changed to "black American" because no one says European American.
I'm glad for education because right now I'm taking a sociology class taught by a white man and with each class he explains to us how the whites treat other races in subtle cruel ways. So, please spare me. When a country finds out that insecticides that are used on crop are harmful instead of getting rid of them. They ship it to Africa and because we've been brain washed to think the west is all that. So, when the poisons are shipped to us we assume it's safe and use it. That's just one example. Most of what we are taught in school is taught from the white man's point of view. Why? because his way is the best and he knows it all? yet tell me how many black serial killers you've heard of? Most of the crimes amongst blacks stem from poverty. Yet you have the rich whites exploiting Africa for diamonds and even though the profit is so great. They pay the workers peanuts. So, excuse me if AA is used to give us some sort of relief. it's not a guarantee for success in and of it self.
Bottom line is that a lot of the problem we see today were directly and indirectly created by the white man. It's true that in some ways they are trying to make amends but the vicious cycle has spun out of control.
Even more bull****

What do you think the Romans did when they conquered Europe? Bring a bout AA policies to give their subjects a chance? What about Greece before them? Egypt? Hell, after the Romans we have the Turks and Moors. We had Mongol invasions to deal with.

No one ever gave the white man a helping hand. He had to adapt or die.

Move forward 1000 years and we are now sailing around the world. We go to Africa where the black man has not even discovered basic technologies. Things like the wheel, simple mathematics or systems of currency. Sure, pockets of minute development but it never flourishes because there is always a systematic collapse.

As for Africans being taken from Africa? Nah mate, they were bought from Africans. African tribes were selling them into slavery. Sometimes for commodities, sometimes for trinkets like sea shells. Your own people were selling you.

Does it make slavery right? No, not at all. As the white man became more civilised he realised that perhaps slavery (which he himself had to suffer through for years under monarchies and conquerors himself) was philosophically wrong. Democracy and liberty were born.

Africans were then freed (something white people DIED for) and given something they never had to fight for. Independence. Despite this, they continue to blame the white man for all their problems. They have been given everything on a silver platter. A head start that o other culture was EVER given. Still, they complain and whine about it.

You want to see Africa at work? Go live there. Please. Come and see how Africans operate in Africa.

The biggest problem is that you think you are entitled to everything. You are entitled to nothing. Be grateful you were given a crack at it in the first place. No other race was afforded this luxury without a fight. Only Africans were. You never fought for your freedom, you were given it.

As for trying to distance yourself from African mentality because you were born in the USA? No matter where you go, you see the same behaviour from Africans. It transcends culture and location. Be it South Africa or Nigeria. Be it the USA or France. Africans always sitting with their hands out blaming the whole world for their situation. Stealing, robbing and raping their way through life when the going gets tough.

Another general racist statement? Definitely! Factual? Damn ****ing right. The day I left that **** pit of a continent was the best thing I ever did. No African will ever see sympathy from this white boy seeing the crap I have seen.

See...it's examples of white arrogance such as what's quoted above that blacks can't stand. It only serves to increase their pre-existing resentment.

Perhaps the biggest chip on the shoulder of the white collective today is the notion of whites being noble saviors for finally allowing institutional equality for blacks, and that blacks should just "shut up and be happy." Nevermind slavery for a minute, and consider that any black person you see around today as young as early 40s once lived under segregation and miscegenation laws. THAT is how recent that stuff was. The only reason whites conceded was because blacks FOUGHT for that, NOT because whites were so kind and gracious, or underwent an independent shift of conscience. You can bet that had blacks not fought for it hard enough, de jure segregation would still be status quo.

Whites aren't exempt from karma. "As Ye Sow, So Shall Ye Reap"
Why sugar coat the truth? Because you dont want to hurt their feelings? Im not about to ignore a statement of fact simply because people would see it as arrogance.

I am an easy going guy who has seen a lot in his short time. I have a lot to learn too. One thing I will tell you all straight up. Americans, and especially African Americans, have no idea how tird world countries operate. You watch a movie like Blood Diamond or Black Hawk Down and you think you know what the reality is like. That **** is tame compared to what goes on there.

Segregation happens all over the world and Africans were not the only victims. Look at the Georgians in Russia. Croatians near Serbia. Tibetans in CHina. Give me a break. Everyone has had a tough time. Im not about to afford the one race that lives in the most fertile resource rich continent the luxury of an excuse for their failures as a culture and race of people. They need to grow a pair of balls already and start facing up to their situation. White man cant help them forever. Its pathetic that we are expected to.
 

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jafyk said:
Generally most Africans know how to be content with what they have. Imagine if they were paid the minimum wage by American standards do you know how much problems that would solve? Considering that our currency is inferior. A lot of the violence one of the posters above mentioned all stem from poverty. What you don't know is that even things like welfare is still a form of social control. Most of the people on welfare are minorities. While this might seem like a good deed by the government it still indirectly helps to keep minorities in their current status. So, when if you come to think of it AA aint so bad.
Again, garbage.

Do you know how much poverty there is in India? China? Sri Lanka? Russia?

Now, do you know how the levels of violent crime compare in those countries compared to African countries? Compared to the good ol USA African demographic?

You would be disgusted to know that African Americans commit more violent crimes per capita then Indians, Chinamen or Russians do. Compared to India, some parts of China and Russia, Harlem is like Beverly Hills. Compare them to African countries and the numbers are so disgusting I feel ashamed on your behalf

Sorry son. The old excuse that crime and violence is directly related to poverty is a social myth used to justify the culture of violence that comes so naturally to Africans.

Again, sounds racist. But again, statement of fact. Count your lucky stars you have welfare. The fact that you can consider it a form of social control just goes to show how ungrateful you are for what you have. You have no idea what poverty is mate.
 

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Let me start off by saying that blacks weren't "given" anything. Good men and women were wounded or killed getting the rights we have today. They paid with blood, sweat, and tears. The problem is that the younger generation don't really know what happened or how to build off of it, while we have whites in power telling people how they were so benevolent towards us so they can brainwash all the younger people into believeing one group is still superior to the other and black "leaders" trying to make a fortune off of us by saying that we have to support them just because they're black but for no other reason. In the end, blacks still get looked over as being equals while some of our leaders try to dog out white folks that are in just in as bad a shape as blacks. The only people getting better treatment are the one's with money in the suburbs(at least in Memphis) and even then you have to wonder if they're slaves or not because if their employeer fires them they get left with nothing. So I just say, if you're black, take advantage of what the last generation bought for you on their backs, never get complacent, and watch for the guys' who's only qualification is that they look like you instead of having any substance. If you're white, quit worrying about if a black person is getting more than you because we got was already paid for and we're just collecting. But really, to everyone, stop trying to pull the other man down just so you can get a leg up. Life's to short to spend it holding someone else down when you could spend it raising yourself up.
 
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