U.S. vs. China

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Who would win?

Note: This is not a political discussion about political parties and foreign policies. It's just about the boo.
 

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boob?

Word, boobs are good.

Haha, surely China. America is weak! The only reason it hasn't happened yet is China's still trying to overdrive itself ecnomically...so the focus isn't on army.
 

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They're racing past us, but I doubt they would. They need us, we buy their ****.


If we involved alliances, GB, France, Germany, Russia would prolly look past Iraq, and I think we'd win.
 

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Nobody wins in a nuclear war (except the Grim Reaper).

In a conventional war, probably China. The USA is more likely to attack China first (because China has no interests in the American continent, whereas the US likes sticking its nose into other peoples business). However, the Chinese are still p!ssed about being invaded by westerners in the 1850s, so they're going to fight especially hard.

Imagine 10 million troops and 1.3 billion civilians actively resisting American aggression. I don't think the US GIs will even get past Shanghai beach.
 

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as a chinese kid, I say China because an ape named bush is leading this country.
 

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China will win, because China is largely still a male-dominated country with strong masculine values. Whereas USA has evolved to become a feminized nation where men have become weak in the heart & mind.

I strongly recommend that the DJ Bible should be made a compulsory reading for all American men, to WIN OVER THEMSELVES FIRST before they even consider about winning others.
 

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Its all about the underworld. US is a drop point for crimes such as child smuggling, drugs and many other things. However, its more so a "check point." Most of the work is done in other countries. China's triad society is 30 million members strong and growing. Its connection with the golden triangle makes it stronger. The under world doesn't care about its people. It uses its people. If you all have this "one nation crap" still in your heads wake up. In fact there are more slaves today than there were in slavery days. Most of them are children from around the world. The wealthy and rich don't care about you. You are gum under the table.

Thats why I say, live a good life and stay out of the vs. bullshyt. On reality, people look for their own interests.

I will tell you, I stopped believeing in the one nation crap when I saw a police officer sell drugs to a minor. Or when someone in my family was smuggled. War is also stupid. Why? Because, most modern war is about helping the selfish and someones personal interest. Having lived in both US and the big C. Both are full of dirt and darkness.

There is no honor in the darkside. You people need to wake up. There are a lot of things I can say. However, since I am in Big C. I will keep my mouth shut.
 

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^^^
Uh...what? Are you even on the same page?
 

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China, and the US knows it!

Notice how quick the US was to invade Afghanistan and Iraq to "free the people of dictators" but turned a blind eye to Tianamun Square and the invasion of Tibet? It's because they wouldn't dare mess with China......

......well, until the reign of George Bush, which is very scary!
 

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If this isn't meant to be political, then are you refering to the World Cup tournament?
 

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The Truth said:
China, and the US knows it!

Notice how quick the US was to invade Afghanistan and Iraq to "free the people of dictators" but turned a blind eye to Tianamun Square and the invasion of Tibet? It's because they wouldn't dare mess with China......

......well, until the reign of George Bush, which is very scary!

This doesn't prove anything per se. Iraq and Afghanistan were weak countries, while China is a strong one (either stronger or less strong than US, doesn't matter for the sake of what I'm saying) = Attacking those 2 countries would require a little amount of money & troops; attacking China (even if they thought they could overcome them) would require many more troops, no matter who were going to win.

However, I strongly believe US is still the #1 military force in the world.
 

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Depends on who tries to invade who.

China would get their head knocked off trying to invade here, the only thing is that they could make some headway past both coasts because the wimpy ***** leftist socialist liberals are on both coasts!

That comment was for the Chinese kid that called our president an ape.
 

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lol ricky. the hicks can stop a few billion people with their cows and incestual retard offspring??? BRING IT ON
 

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Potbelly said:
lol ricky. the hicks can stop a few billion people with their cows and incestual retard offspring??? BRING IT ON

Wow, another Asian with an inferiority complex, what else is new.
 

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It depends on the final goal of the parties involved. For the US to invade china and control it's population is impossible. Gurella insurgance would take out whatever ruling party the americans placed in a matter of days after departing the country. If america wanted to erradicate the entire nation that would not be a problem at all with little to no threat of "mutually assured destruction". The United States military is far and away the most advanced military in history and is capeable demolishing any country (as long as the rules of war pretaining to civilian preservation). As far as nuclear arms go, the US has china beat still. The longest range ICBM China has is the DF-5 which can reach the western regions of the US (sucks to be you califonia) but 80% of the country would be in tact (the rockies would prevent fall out from reaching most of the mid west). The states wouldn't even have to use it's ICBM's because the stealth bombers would bomb the largest military bases and cities simultaniously...game over. You can forget about any kind of invasion from china towards the US. They'd be spotted as soon as the left the shores of china going anywhere. The only way it would possibly work would be a series of sleeper cells living in the country sabatoging and bombing at precice moments.
 

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PRMoon said:
It depends on the final goal of the parties involved. For the US to invade china and control it's population is impossible. Gurella insurgance would take out whatever ruling party the americans placed in a matter of days after departing the country. If america wanted to erradicate the entire nation that would not be a problem at all with little to no threat of "mutually assured destruction". The United States military is far and away the most advanced military in history and is capeable demolishing any country (as long as the rules of war pretaining to civilian preservation). As far as nuclear arms go, the US has china beat still. The longest range ICBM China has is the DF-5 which can reach the western regions of the US (sucks to be you califonia) but 80% of the country would be in tact (the rockies would prevent fall out from reaching most of the mid west). The states wouldn't even have to use it's ICBM's because the stealth bombers would bomb the largest military bases and cities simultaniously...game over. You can forget about any kind of invasion from china towards the US. They'd be spotted as soon as the left the shores of china going anywhere. The only way it would possibly work would be a series of sleeper cells living in the country sabatoging and bombing at precice moments.
Very well spoken and very true. The days of conventional warfare ended with WWII and every war since has been fought with guerilla tactics. This is the reason why a millitarily-weak North Vietnam succeeded in defeating the US and also why the Afghans were able to beat the Soviets. To send troops to occupy another piece of land is simply too costly and the time it takes to train and deploy new soldiers can't match the speed at which guerilla fighters replenish their numbers.

For these reasons, the home team always has the advantage regardless of millitary technology. As for the China vs. America debate, we don't need to worry, the American Corporations would never allow such a war to take place and neither would the Chinese-- there's just no economic benefit to either side.
 

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Well if the US used nukes, then Russia would likely help China (despite their budget problems, the Russkies still have 10K nukes, enough to take on the US).

Keep in mind that China and the US have signed agreements to never use nuclear weapons (except as retaliation against nuclear attack).

Besides, neither China or the US will benefit from any kind of war. This isn't 1000AD.
 

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diplomatic_lies said:
Well if the US used nukes, then Russia would likely help China (despite their budget problems, the Russkies still have 10K nukes, enough to take on the US).

Keep in mind that China and the US have signed agreements to never use nuclear weapons (except as retaliation against nuclear attack).

Besides, neither China or the US will benefit from any kind of war. This isn't 1000AD.
I doubt Russias military would or could act fast enough to retaliate against a stealth nuclear strike. Their armed forces are in shambles and most or their silos are "silent" meaning the complex guidence systems needed to direct an ICBM over those thousands of miles have been removed. Alot of Russia is run by organized crime these days anyway so communications between listening post and missile sites isn't exactly at a premium (because no one is paying the soldiers).

The last part is true. I can't fathom why China and the US would ever engage in warfare. Through bartering, China may be the only way the US can survive with it's increasing debut and Chinas economic boom is nurtured by the the US's overspending. Really they're very interdependant and would have no reason to turn on one another.
 

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The US and China are two sides of the same coin. The US hardly manufactures anything, but is the largest single market for goods in the world. China manufactures virtually everything, but its population is too poor to generate much demand for those same goods.

It’s a symbiotic relationship. The two countries are joined at the hip; where one goes, the other will follow. This means that the US and China would not dare go to war with each other, as it would be an unmitigated disaster for both of them.

Scenario 1: China’s attempts to gain access to resources (especially oil) to fuel its booming economy interfere with the US’s ability to satisfy its own insatiable appetites. OR, China attempts to occupy Taiwan, and treaty obligations force the US to come to Taiwan’s defense. Whether the US threatens conventional or nuclear retaliation, China is hopelessly outgunned, and knows it.

Scenario 2: The American people – unemployed in the tens of millions from job loss to outsourcing and all but the super rich seeing their standard of living plummet to Third World levels due to shrinking wages – force the government to ban outsourcing, requiring companies to bring their manufacturing facilities and jobs back into the US, raise wages, and erect tariffs high enough to make expensive US goods the cheapest available to US citizens. China is mortally wounded by the massive loss of both jobs and business.

In either case, China unloads its vast supply of US Treasury bonds. Overnight, the dollar becomes worthless and the US economy collapses. Good for China, until they realize that they’ve lost their biggest customer. Unable to fill the void, their economy goes into a tailspin. They try to find buyers elsewhere, but the massive glut of goods overwhelms the world economy, and prices crash, only making the situation worse.
 

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The Super Rich would just move to bloody China instead of wasting money and time changing the legislation to a more protectionist ones (even that does not guarentee $$ and productivity) it might end up being worse. I even now know guys who are reasonable wealthy (Balance Sheet wise) that owns multiple properties around the globe. You also have to remember manufacture jobs that once were here are now displaced with information and service ones. Look AT IBM they hardly focus on computers anymore, more R&D/chip and service stuff.
 
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