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Pretty lame list....though a few good points were made.

However, I laughed at the porn and sex toy point. So a chick is a skank for enjoying porn and personal sex toys? Seriously? Jeez....and she can't be good at sex either or be thought to be a skank? Weird how I know conservative girls with low numbers, yet actually use porn and sex toys to satisfy themselves when single.

And in my experience, the more promiscuous women I have slept with havent been too great in bed. I really wonder about what decade many mens mind are stuck in... Very unrealistic views and expectations regarding women and their sexuality
 

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You screen for fit chicks? Can't you tell that they aren't fat right off the bat?

You can't screen a chick either fit or fat for the number of partners they had. You will never know how many they had unless they tell you the truth. Why can't you understand that?

If you think you can screen a woman and know the exact number of partners she has, then I have some beach front property in the middle of Arizona to sell you.
Obviously. You keep saying that there's barely any chicks with a low partner count and I'm telling you that there's a dwindling supply of fit chicks. The fact that they're in low supply doesn't mean that we should settle for less. Once again, no one has said that you can ever know the exact number.

Yes, you are right. It doesn't matter how many partners because you will never know how many partners she actually has. You will never know how many men she slept with anyway. So, how will you know what her exact number count is? You won't.

Drug dealers LOL. Dude, that is completely different than from what I'm saying. If the chick is hanging around unsavory characters, then you should avoid her. That should be obvious. But thinking you will know the exact number of dudes a chick has slept with is just plain stupid.

You should quit worrying about trying to screen for the number of partners and enjoy yourself by fvcking hot chicks until you find one worth investing in. You will be way better off.
Lets say a chick tells you she slept with 20 dudes. There you go, you know her number with no screening necessary. You keep saying you can never know when there a chicks out their who will blatantly tell you plus some of the obvious signs in her behavior that'll give away the fact that she sleeps around frequently. The drug dealer analogy isn't at all different that what you were saying. You said that all that matters is that she treats you well and I'm telling you that she could treat you like a King and still have some fvcked up traits that would make any sane man think twice about getting ni a relationship with her.

WTF are you talking about? Who in their right mind would settle for a fat chick? I never said anything about settling for an overweight chick.

I said if you want a chick that you automatically know who will have low numbers, then that will be an obese chick. Then, I also said women who are religious who follow their faith, and if you are still in High School. Those are the only types of women who will still have low numbers. The rest of the women you will never know.

Even overweight chicks will have desperate dudes wanting to bang them. So, their numbers will be up too. Hot chicks will be even higher. Get with the program. You took everything I said out of context, adding your own spin to it.
Who in their right mind would settle for a wh0re as a girlfriend? Low partner chicks are in short supply just like chicks who aren't fat are in short supply. This doesn't mean that we should just give up and settle for a fat chick or a wh0re.

This comment proves that you have zero experience with women. I know women who had low number counts who were terrible women. They lied, cheated, manipulated their boyfriends. You can't just base awesome girlfriends on low number counts. Sh1tty women are sh1tty women regardless of how many men they had. How can you stack the deck when you have no clue of the number of men she's fvcked?
A low partner count is just ONE of the MANY things a man should screen for. Good relationship with parents=green flag, high partner count=red flag, tons of male friends=red flag, drinks sparingly=green flag. Screening involves looking at the big picture and looking at all of her characteristics to determine if she'll be good for a relationship. NO ONE is saying that low partner count women=automatic angel. As I mentioned above yes, you can have a very good clue of the number of men she's fvcked, especially if she doesn't care about keeping it a secret.

Unless you are trying to wife these chicks up then you shouldn't care. If you're not serious about the relationship and not investing much into it, then it doesn't really matter. If you don't like how she is acting then get rid of her. Men who can attract women have no problems getting new women.
Now I know why you can't see the logic behind what I'm saying. You're arguing from a completely different place. Yes the argument is about possibly making these chicks a wife. The thread title is "having a wh0re as your girlfriend." The word "girlfriend" implies a monogamous relationship. This implies that if the dude likes the chick enough, he may eventually decide to marry her or have kids with her. I wouldn't give a fvck if a chick slept with 10,000 men if I was in it just for sex. However, when it comes to who a man will invest an enormous amount of time in, possibly the rest of his life, it's important that he picks the best woman available. A woman with a low partner count is simply MORE LIKELY to be a good match for this.
 

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I had a FWB that was a total slut, but she wanted to believe she wasn't, LMAO.
Why was she a whor-e? because at 22 she...:

1 always showed huge cleavaje. For running, to go shopping...to go to the uni, all the time.

2 was bisexual and had sex with two girls.

3 banged around 12 guys, and had 'some sex' with a few others.

4 lost virginity at 15 with a guy 8 years older than her.

5 wanted to have public sex by the third month since I met her.

6 went to a swingers club, just to 'see'.

7 seemed to get involved with ****ed-up men...except me of course.

etc etc etc

see? I just needed like two months or so to get to know all these details...
of course she wanted to be my girlfriend and got angry because I did not agree, lol. Besides, she said that all men she had sex with before, wanted to be her boyfriends...desperate men....
 

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Man you guys don't need to argue this much. There are obviously two groups of guys: those that seek out girls with low numbers, and those that don't give a fvck.

It's pretty hypocritical to have slept with 30 women and then judge her when she has more than 5 partners. The past is the past. Most girls go through a slvtty phase. If that bothers you so much, keep looking for the needle in the haystack. You will find her eventually but you better get ready to look for a long time and stop complaining about it.
 

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Sofomore said:
Man you guys don't need to argue this much. There are obviously two groups of guys: those that seek out girls with low numbers, and those that don't give a fvck.

It's pretty hypocritical to have slept with 30 women and then judge her when she has more than 5 partners. The past is the past. Most girls go through a slvtty phase. If that bothers you so much, keep looking for the needle in the haystack. You will find her eventually but you better get ready to look for a long time and stop complaining about it.
Not being a hypocrite doesn't change the facts. I could sleep with a thousand women and not be judgmental of the chick that slept with 100 men, this won't change the fact that her high partner count makes her more likely to be a poor choice for monogamy. A man can choose to ignore this fact and take the risk, but its better to take informed risks than ignorant ones.
 

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Also consider the fact that a lot of low number girls usually want to date men with low numbers as well. None of the conservative women I've known in my lifetime were ok with dating men who slept around. And before you say that you could just keep your sexual past to yourself or lie about it, realize that a woman could do the same thing.

A lot of guys have the idea that they can just sleep around in there single years and that many conservative girls will not have a problem with that. If you ask around you'll know that's not the case. Doesnt bother me though because I like a woman in the middle of the spectrum. Conservative women usually bore me mentally and physically.
 

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Ask who? Women? :crackup:

I actually agree with you in the end result that a lot of low partner count women end up with low partner count men, but not for the reasons you gave. Its because low partner count women attach to decent men early on.
Ask the people in relationships and look around. I don't see many conservative low number women dating men who slept around during their single years. Like usually attracts like.

And are you saying us blokes with not so low numbers aren't decent? xD lol
 

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Bros. ...if her vaginal traits are still tight and cute looking...her # of dudes is low....that's it. Then u can evaluate more of her other traits if that's ur thing.
 

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Haha lets face it, we're not. Not that my number is that high.

Also, I agree with the correlation, I just don't agree that women have the same disgust for manwh0res that we have for slvts. Rants against "players" and faux fawning over "nice guys" by bitter delusional women notwithstanding.
Id say my number is average, and Id say Im decent-ish lol. I can be a good boyfriend, but I wouldnt be cut out for that at this point in my life. But I am mature enough to say I need to work on some things.

Anyways, women dont have disgust for manwh0res, they just usually avoid dating them if they are more conservative women themselves. For the most part, manwh0res are banging and dating the slvts. I cant really even think of a single former promiscuous male I know that has landed a truly conservative woman.

For the most part my conservative male friends have landed the conservative women. Hell, even on this forum, the guys who are settled into relationships or married to more conservative women dont really come across as dudes who ever got too outlandish in the field.
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This is the ol' "double standard" argument repackaged.


Remember, men generally judge on partner count, women generally do not.

If you want to eliminate the double standard, have women judge more by a man's partner count instead of his status and the problem will be resolved.
Plenty of women do judge men on partner count, especially the conservative girls. Guys have a large misconception that the good girls prefer guys unlike them. Its not truly in reality. Like PairPurple said before, the conservative women settle down with the decent guys long before the dudes who slept around decide to settle down. And when choosing partners (having known several good girls) they seem to always go with the guy with average to lower numbers. Just like a lot of men, they cant seem to wrap their mind around how some men sleep with many women.

Like attracts like *shrug*. Which is why I laugh when former manwh0res are hoodwinked by chicks who they thought were good girls. Its like, come on dude, you had to know there was a good chance youd attract a chick like that. There are plenty of threads with that happening online, though it happens to the conservative dudes too. Oh wells...sucks for them.
 

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First thing first, op and most of the posters on this thread have it wrong, whôre and slut are not synonyms.

A whôre is a woman who has sex in exchange for something...she doesn't have to like the sex or have had many sexual partners either.

A slut is a woman who has or has had many sexual partners.

Whôres aren't always sluts (though many are), whilst all sluts have the potential to be whôres...also IMO there are many variant degrees of whôres (some are more whorier than others)...this can't be said for sluts though.

Now that we've got that out the way, let me get to the point.

Men and women are DIFFERENT and because we are different we also approach sex DIFFERENTLY.

Women (well the majority of them) have lower sex drives than men and rarely ever get very horny without assistance...I've met VERY FEW who wanted to rip my clothes off within a few minutes of meeting me, how many have any of you met?

Women are rarely turned on by men only physically like us.

In fact women are turned on by men who are dominant which INCLUDES men who INITIATE sex, not them.

Women rarely initiate sex they are submissive and can be made to feel horny...in fact I have perfected this...I know how to make them horny (I have found most women aren't even horny when they have sex).

Sluts are different though

There are two type of sluts i know:

Slut #1: They view sex the SAME WAY as men. They view men only for the dîck, they are emotionally detached from sex and will have it anywhere and anytime. They're usually cold and a little bîtchy. Usually, they talk too much and are very opinionated. They initiate interactions with men a lot, they mostly initiate sex, they were probably brought up with many brothers or with a lack of strong female (feminine) figure.

Slut #2: For one reason or another they have a lot of baggage and have become attention whôress. They crave attention and will do anything to get it. Dress slutty? Check. Have sex with random guys? Check. And with several at the same time? Check. I tend to find slut # 2 doesn't have sex because she's horny, but rather, she has it because she wants validation and approval.
 

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3agle 3eyes, a woman who is very attracted to you will have a high sex drive. A woman that finds you irresistible will want to rip your clothes off. I don't know about you but all of my sexual encounters after going to the gym religiously have been that way. trust me on this one and get fit by lifting.

Women not horny when they have sex with you? No offense but something youre doing must be turning them off cus thats not my experience at all.
 

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Jaylan you obviously didn't read my post properly...

Jaylan said:
3agle 3eyes, a woman who is very attracted to you will have a high sex drive.
3agle 3yes said:
Women (well the majority of them) have lower sex drives than men and rarely ever get very horny without assistance...
Emphasis on "THE MAJORITY OF THEM", "VERY" (not horny, but VERY horny) and "WITHOUT ASSISTANCE"...

The "assistance" I mentioned is translated as "increasing attraction" or turning their interest into attraction...

It is SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN that HIGH SEX-DRIVE IS REALATED TO HIGH LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE.

Read here: http://www.sharecare.com/health/sex-and-relationships/article/testosterone-boosts-sex-drive

So, unless you like fvcking big muscularly MANLY women then yeah...good for you.

Jaylan said:
...A woman that finds you irresistible will want to rip your clothes off...
Again READ PROPERLY...

3agle 3yes said:
...I've met VERY FEW who wanted to rip my clothes off within a few minutes of meeting me...
and...

3agle 3yes said:
...Women are rarely turned on by men only physically like us...
How well do magazines or websites of naked men do? Anywhere near those that of women? Women prefer the READ erotic stories than LOOK at erotic pictures...

Emphasis on "WITHIN A FEW MINUTES OF MEETING ME"...and I'm referring to attractive women too not women in general...

Jaylan said:
...Women not horny when they have sex with you?..
Again...

3agle 3yes said:
...I know how to make them horny (I have found most women aren't even horny when they have sex)...
When did I refer to myself? I was talking about women IN GENERAL.

Seriously, no offense but TRY TO READ people's posts before you start post your opinion.
 

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I read fine. You meet strange women. I haven't come across the things you have. So looks I get women turned on without much work, and youre doing it wrong to have the experiences you've had. The chicks I encounter get very horny without assistance just fine.
 

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Ok I get it, you can't read...

You obviously have women chasing you everywhere you go without having to do ANYTHING but just stand being passive.
 

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3agle 3yes said:
Ok I get it, you can't read...

You obviously have women chasing you everywhere you go without having to do ANYTHING by just stand and be passive.
I lol when dudes backtrack from what they said.

You were making it sound like work to get a woman really horny and wanting to rip your clothes off. Its not hard. Its as simple as being in shape, and flirting on Tinder tbh lol.

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Some women judge on partner count, but again they do not put nearly so much weight on it as they do on status. This is why celebrities get laid like gangbusters and chances are, that sweet chaste conservative girl would do said celebrity.
Bad comparison. Celebrities will get laid male or female. Even the most conservatively religious man and woman will take risks just for one night with their favorite celebrity. It has nothing to do with a womans so called obsession with status. People in general wouldnt pass on banging a sexy celebrity. The thrill, sexiness, and ego boost is the big reason most people would do it.

I do agree that conservative women settle first, but they still usually do not settle until their early 20's and even then they often have racked up a significant count.
I know two women who had their virginity until thier mid 20s, and they lost it to conservative guys (im friends with one of the chicks and one of the guys). Its super rare for that to happen, and one girl got very close to losing it in earlier years, but it happens...and they actively avoided the promiscuous guys too. They were not attracted to that.

For your point about settling for guys that have lower than average numbers, those choices are not a result of the men's partner count, that is a result of said girls not being able to secure and alpha, and thus secure a beta. It is a side-effect of their having to choose between the good genes/provider dilemma.
Life doesnt always neatly fit into the alpha-beta dichotomy people here try to put it in. Those girls werent settling for low number provider betas...they actually felt they lucked out on guys who shared their values, and that they were very much attracted to. And being good friends with one of the men, I can tell you for a fact that hes far, far from a beta.

It happens dude.
 

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I refuse to read the bickering past the first page.

So here's my $.02....



I used to frequent fast seduction (never posted, just read.)

There was a common mantra on the relationship board of a woman you DO NOT want to make your girlfriend. Not only because they'll likely cheat on you, but also because they'll eventually bring h3ll to your life.

That type was Low Self-Esteem/High Sex-Drive.

Why? These are the most likely to be undateable women.

Problem? They're often the best in bed, not only with what they do, but at orgasming, etc. And since a lot of sex for a man is ego based, and seeing all those orgasms makes us feel like we're really giving it to her!

Just as a note: these women were normally raped or abused or had some kind of trauma early in their life.


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So instead of screening for her past.

I pay attention to her sex drive. And her self-esteem.

Now we're looking at authentic self-esteem, not just how she presents herself. Example: If she can't accept a compliment. Or is always putting herself down. Or body language things like "can't make good eye contact" - these are signs she has low self-esteem. Watch for this. This is worse than high sex drive.

As far as high sex drive: Things to watch for: 1) If she can pretty much fvck all night; stays wet; keeps orgasming. 2) If she's always horny. < That's an indication of a woman with a high sex drive. Not that terrible if she has high self esteem (although she'll still be a firecracker), but if she's low self-esteem - undateable.



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So to tie this all together - a woman with these traits is the most likely woman to be a s!ut or a wh@re. There may be a few exceptions. But for the most part - women who are or have been s!uts or wh@res are not dateable. Not because she's had a lot of d!cks in her, but because she probably has the 2 traits above.


However, these same women are my preference to have flings with; have sexual relationships; even to party with. And that's all I care about right now. And the main things I looks for are 1) We have fun together. 2) She has a high sex drive. 3) She's on time and shows up when she says she will (doesn't flake). < She keeps in line with these 3 things and she can stay in my life. I don't demand much else.
 

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I pay attention to her sex drive. And her self-esteem.

Now we're looking at authentic self-esteem, not just how she presents herself. Example: If she can't accept a compliment. Or is always putting herself down. Or body language things like "can't make good eye contact" - these are signs she has low self-esteem. Watch for this. This is worse than high sex drive.

As far as high sex drive: Things to watch for: 1) If she can pretty much fvck all night; stays wet; keeps orgasming. 2) If she's always horny. < That's an indication of a woman with a high sex drive. Not that terrible if she has high self esteem (although she'll still be a firecracker), but if she's low self-esteem - undateable.
Agreed. Self esteem is another huge thing that men should look out for but most dont.
 

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bukowski_merit said:
So instead of screening for her past.

I pay attention to her sex drive. And her self-esteem.

Now we're looking at authentic self-esteem, not just how she presents herself. Example: If she can't accept a compliment. Or is always putting herself down. Or body language things like "can't make good eye contact" - these are signs she has low self-esteem. Watch for this. This is worse than high sex drive.

As far as high sex drive: Things to watch for: 1) If she can pretty much fvck all night; stays wet; keeps orgasming. 2) If she's always horny. < That's an indication of a woman with a high sex drive. Not that terrible if she has high self esteem (although she'll still be a firecracker), but if she's low self-esteem - undateable.

There was a common mantra on the relationship board of a woman you DO NOT want to make your girlfriend. Not only because they'll likely cheat on you, but also because they'll eventually bring h3ll to your life.

Just as a note: these women were normally raped or abused or had some kind of trauma early in their life.


I was going to add some of this to this thread but you beat me to it.

Yes, and I agree with everything you said except for the high sex drive and the abuse in most cases.

The low self esteem usually comes from the parents and siblings. Parents will put her down and favor the other child over her. That leads to resentment, low self esteem and her trying to prove herself to them. That will affect her at school, with friends, and being social. She will then try to prove herself to you because she will feel she isn't good enough for anybody. The trauma results from feeling not wanted in the family, accepted socially, and from previous boyfriends. But abuse can occur which leads to this problem.

I know chicks who can fvck all night and they are dateable. Self esteem is the one to watch out for because those chicks are constantly looking for reassurance. They will always question you wanting to know if you think they look good enough. They will always ask you how you feel about them. They still won't be satisfied when they get an answer and will still continue to think they aren't good enough. Low self esteem chicks will have sex whenever you want but they usually aren't horny all the time because of the low opinion of themselves.

Low self esteem and jealousy are the 2 most important factors to look at. Women who get jealous when other chicks look at you in public are chicks to avoid. She will get jealous of the other women looking at you, then that will lower her self esteem. She will feel that she isn't good enough and will have the idea that you're looking for something better. She will become depressed and take out her own insecurities out on you. She will think you don't care for her enough. Then she will start looking for other men and will blame you for her depression. She will think she wasn't happy because of you and think some other dude can make her happy. But another guy won't make her happy because it's her problems that gives her no self esteem and depression.

Also, chicks who are depressed and are never happy are ones to avoid. They kind of go through the motions but never really show their true feelings. Dysfunctional families are chicks to avoid. Also obsessive chicks who constantly want to know what you're doing. Obsessive chicks will be into you and then they become obsessed for another dude just as fast.

Friends are another one. If a chick doesn't have the ability to make friends and hold on to them, then those are red flags. Chicks who are loners have low self esteem and will use you as their only person to dump all their problems on to.

Always look at her eyes. They eyes never lie. If she tells you something and her eyes are saying something else, the you know it's not true. You can tell when her eyes are shifty and don't have a genuine look. Her eyes should show her true expression and feelings. Look for facial expressions too. If her facial expressions don't add up to her words she is lying.

Pictures are the best factor in determining screening. Why? Because you have a perfect snap shot that reveals her true self. Look at her body language, smile, eyes, how she is in with a group. If she looks uncomfortable, self conscious, no expression then she has low self esteem. You can't tell with one picture, but when you look at other pictures, you will see a pattern.

Some of these guys are trying to screen for things they will never know. They think they can put their palms on the top of the chicks head and know exactly how many partners she had and everything about her past. :crackup: But the obvious signs they let go right over their heads.

You can never really screen for her past unless she gives you details on her past. What you need to be screening for is how she is behaving when she is with you. How she feels about herself, how she talks about other people, what she does in certain situations. If she talks against people behind their backs constantly then she will be doing that against you when you're not around.

Partners really don't mean anything today, because if chicks are having sex at younger age the will have higher numbers. Some women you will never know how many men they will have.

I have female friends who I'm not attracted to, but they hook me up with cool stuff and hook me up with their friends, acquaintances, and relatives.

Two of the chicks I know told me their exact numbers (or estimated numbers) one time. This chick is not very good looking, really thin, flat chested, with a lot of freckles. She told me she had 5 boyfriends and hooked up with 3 dudes. She always says she tell guys she's been with 4 dudes after she went over the 4th so she doesn't look like a slut. Another chick said basically the same. So, if she tells you 4 when it's really 8 you will never know and think you have a low number chick. :crackup:

It's pretty much pointless to argue with these other guys. They will never admit they are wrong and will argue tooth and nail while twisting your words around and adding their own words to it.

The fact is, that you can tell the chicks who are obvious sluts.

But you will never know the number of men she's actually fvcked.

There are also other chicks who don't appear as sluts, but who have fvcked quite a few men that you will never know about.

So, trying to figure out how many men each woman has fvcked is a waste of time, because you will never know excatly how many she's fvcked.

But then, a couple of these guys want to argue tooth and nail while twisting your words around even when they are proven wrong. Lame. :yes:



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rascal I agree with much of your post. You basically articulate a number of ways to identify a slut.....but then go on to say that you will never know???? Your post seems to be filled with contradictions.
You need to read links to determine sluts? :crackup:

Well, I'm glad you finally agree with me on something. You seem to be making a big thing about this when there is no need to. I don't know how much more clear I can make it for you.

There are no contradictons. Let's try this again.

Sluts are easy to identify, so you can say they would have a high number of partners. Right?

Another poster said he wanted to screen for the number of partners. You can't screen for the number of partners, because you will never know.

The same poster is under the assumption that a girl with a low number of partners will make the best girlfriend. That is not true because it depends on who the girl actually is. Just because her numbers are low doesn't mean she looks good or is a good person.

Some chick you're trying to date could have had 8 boyfriends, but she only mentions 4. You will think she has a low number. You will never know her exact number. Would you call her a slut?

Any average looking girl could have a higher number of partners. So, the dude will think she has a low number when it could be high. You will never know. It really doesn't matter anyway. As long as there is no glaring red flags going on, you shouldn't care. This topic is getting old, let's move on.
 
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