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People operate under all kinds of circumstances. While there are certain inevitable constants of human nature, one of the biggest pitfalls for us as men is to fall under the limitations of our own assumptions. As I gain more experience under my belt and deal with lots of people in different situations, its become apparent that there is no one-size-fits-all approach to anything in life. There's just far too many variables to take into account.

This is why arguments about "quality women", or whether "looks matter" are just long bouts of masturbatory dialogue, because the world is far too big to fit inside any single POV. To impose your own views not only shows insecurity, but a desire to reinforce a shaky foundation of beliefs.

I only see this now because I've lived and hustled in many different cities/towns - it's given me the perspective to see that my views and approaches are not founded on some universal law, but my own subjective vantage point. It's taught me to be more open - to judge and label less - to observe, watch and listen more, and act on THAT rather than my own assumptions.

As a result I have discovered that there is often much more to people than meets the eye, and that for YEARS I was selling myself short with sweeping generalizations.

The Guru Trap

Be wary of those who claim to have women all figured out. Anyone who has led a diverse and rich life cannot help but :rolleyes: at most sentences that begin with the words "Women are.." You just gotta wonder about these players who have single-handedly put the world and its infinite chaos inside their comfortable little thinking box.

Question anyone who speaks in such absolutes. Gather multiple points of reference, and reach your own conclusions because any fella who relies on one source for his intel will never be his own man.

And therein lies the trap - when people are too scared or lazy to reach their own conclusions, they will most certainly find someone to do it for them.

Filters and Projection

A lot of so-called players think they have "arrived" simply because they have taken off the rose-colored glasses and can see how foul things really are. This is a false revelation though. Just because you can see how much people suck does not make you any more adept at handling them. All you've done is traded rose glasses for black ones - it's a different type of assumption which will limit you in the end.

Discarding these filters is what truly allows us to act within the context of a given situation. You see how the play is panning out on the field and pimp accordingly.. This helps you avoid a lot of common problems:

• You go to clubs or frat parties looking for a woman of substance, is it really the collective flaw of all womankind that you don't have enough sense to find better hunting grounds?

• That girl you are talking to makes it very clear she is looking for LTR, and you pretend that's your MO just to get your d*ck wet - then you have the balls to complain about her pressuring you later on, when you failed to disqualify by your own terms.

• You let women do all the work - you are the prize and they must approach, initiate and lead. Then the power struggles come later and you can't figure out why she wants to wear the pants in the relationship.

Forget what you think you know - look around you. FEEL the situation out then act. Who are you dealing with? Where are they coming from? How aligned are they with your criteria?

You save TONS of time and your ratio of success skyrockets when you are able to see people for who they really are from the jump and respond in kind.

Playing by your rules

A lot of these seduction theorists will try to sell you on bleak ideologies and complicated theories because its what their whole life revolves around

Despite what they would have you believe, you don't need to be an alpha-male, plate-spinner or brooding nihilist to be "good with women". Everyone is different, so instead of fitting yourself into a mold, cover the basics and build your own:

1. Decide what it is you want from women.
Forget about looking cool in front of your friends. First and foremost you must ask yourself what it is that will make YOU happy. One night stands? Threesomes? LTRs? Polygamy? Figure it out - experiment and go with whatever works for you. f*ck what people think about your choices - it means jack sh*t!

2. Decide what type of woman you want / don't want
Looks shouldn't be enough. It's crucial to have standards to qualify against, because (a) people need to work towards something and (b) you save a lot of time when you screen for compatibility. It also turns chicks on knowing that they must do more to please you than bend over and spread their skin.

3. Develop the art of reading people
People reveal VOLUMES about themselves when you stop listening to the noise in your head ("does she like me? should I close?") and just PAY ATTENTION. How do they carry themselves? What subjects do they like to talk about? How do they regard others? What feelings do they incite (aside from the boner in your pants)?

You will avoid a lot of BS, and filter out many, many duds in the process. You will also be pleasantly surprised at times when your underestimation was sorely mistaken. Talk less. Observe more. Simple as that.

4. Show your d!ck who's boss
P*ssy is great - we all love it, and most of us would do damn near anything to get it. Nothing wrong with that. Just prepare for the consequences of your actions when you let your d!ck make all the decisions. In my experience, the second that p*ssy becomes leverage you are DONE. It's a warm hole for your penis - don't let it rule your life!

5. Be open to possibilities
Drop your assumptions about people you never met or know nothing about. At least give them a CHANCE to make an ass of themselves! If you are consistently disappointed in what your local pool of options has to offer, then it's time to realize that no one is twisting your arm to fish in the same stagnant waters.

6. Get around
Go to another city or country - get a different slant, or do SOMETHING outside your norm. It gives you much needed perspective and appreciation for the life you lead. Yeah I know the economy sucks and there are a million valid excuses to stay in your comfort zone - but truth is if you want something bad enough, you will make it happen, whatever the cost.

7. Avoid hate
In a world of abundance, there is absolutely no reason to be jealous, or sh*t on another man's game. Nothing wrong with a little friendly competition, but the moment you start taking things personal and develop grudges against people then you are just showing what an emotional wreck you really are beneath that player facade of yours.

This also applies to guys who have nothing but contempt for women, and end up pulling dysfunctional, low self-esteem nut jobs who just reinforce their sh*tty outlook.

In the end like attracts like, and if all you do is brood under the assumption that you are somehow more entitled than others, or everyone sucks but you, well I'm sorry but that just makes you a raging ******* and you deserve all the unhappiness you get.

8. It's a motherf*ckin GAME - have fun with it!
If you are not having a great time, regardless of whether or not you win, then you are just plain doin it wrong. Remember, "failure" is actually what makes the game worth playing. If you never had to struggle and hit a home run at the plate every time, where would the challenge/satisfaction be in winning? What would be the point?

9. Don't be lazy
People make assumptions to begin with because it takes a lot less effort to sit on a pedestal and judge than it is to really network and connect. I'm sorry but anyone who tries to tell you that ALL women are unfaithful, gold-digging, branch-swinging sluts is just making excuses for himself to warm the bench.

These folks are just scared to death of letting anyone close to their hearts, or thinking outside their little black box. It's a massive cop-out, masquerading as enlightenment - no better than the chump who is scared of approaches. Both players are afraid of taking a chance on some level, and that's a damn shame cause risk-taking is the very thing that distinguishes us as men.

10. Lead, Lead, and Lead some more
This is not to say that women can't make decisions on their own, but in the sexual dynamic they really want you to take over. They just can't get swept of their feet by a guy who is looking for their permission at every turn. Part of what gets them off is the surrendering to the irresistible FORCE of a man, and you can only be that guy when you know how to love and lead yourself first!

The Final Word

Actually I don't have it. Neither does Mystery, Neil Strauss, or <insert pickup guru here>. Like I said this whole thing revolves around you - your choices, your preferences, your VISION of what life should be like. No one is entitled to make that call but yourself. This requires total honesty on your part.

Are you really happy with the world you've created?

Do you know where you are going, and confident of your course?

These are not easy questions to answer, and most people ignore them completely until they realize their time is up. Ironic how the bench-sitters want to play so badly once the game is over.

I hope that some of yall reading this are wise enough to ignore your own prejudices, and hop through the many windows of opportunities that surround us every single day.

It's f*cking INCREDIBLE to be alive, young and healthy. Make the most of it - or your ass is already dead!
 

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There we go, senor is back. Great thread as usual.
 

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Everything you said should be read at least once. Maybe once a week. It seems to very optimistic, which is kind of a change around here.

But you got a S plus ++++ squared by this:

Be wary of those who claim to have women all figured out. Anyone who has led a diverse and rich life cannot help but at most sentences that begin with the words "Women are.." You just gotta wonder about these players who have single-handedly put the world and its infinite chaos inside their comfortable little thinking box.

Question anyone who speaks in such absolutes
. Gather multiple points of reference, and reach your own conclusions because any fella who relies on one source for his intel will never be his own man.
 

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I totally agree with your post and it's top notch Fingers. But I have to take issue with the first part.


Señor Fingers said:
People operate under all kinds of circumstances. While there are certain inevitable constants of human nature, one of the biggest pitfalls for us as men is to fall under the limitations of our own assumptions. As I gain more experience under my belt and deal with lots of people in different situations, its become apparent that there is no one-size-fits-all approach to anything in life. There's just far too many variables to take into account.

This is why arguments about "quality women", or whether "looks matter" are just long bouts of masturbatory dialogue, because the world is far too big to fit inside any single POV. To impose your own views not only shows insecurity, but a desire to reinforce a shaky foundation of beliefs.
As you said, people operate under assumptions. This is what makes generalizations true to begin with. Also, things are going to be how they are despite whether you assume they're they way or not. There must be absolutes, trends and generalizations because if there was so much variance then various men would be equally successful. We know that certain types of men are much more successful than others.
 

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breath of fresh air. Thanks for the inspiration. I think having fun is the most important part...
 

Too Many Women?

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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ketostix said:
As you said, people operate under assumptions. This is what makes generalizations true to begin with. Also, things are going to be how they are despite whether you assume they're they way or not. There must be absolutes, trends and generalizations because if there was so much variance then various men would be equally successful. We know that certain types of men are much more successful than others.
But there are different ways to define success. There are many "successful" men who are pulling chicks left, right and centre, and there are "successful" men who are married with kids.

Success = happiness, and there are an infinite number of ways to achieve it, therefore infinite variance among women, relationships, and in life altogether.

What is true for one person (I want to get married and have kids because there's a woman out there who can be faithful to me and our family) might not be true for another (women can't be faithful because of their biological imperative).

I agree with the OP.
 

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Very good point about being specific in who you want to date/fvck and how you want it LTR, ONS, etc. It's very important to be specific in your target for many reasons. Good post.
 

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This is a great post, hands down one of the best, qualyfing your ladies is important(something we don't do enough as men cause we are to busy trying to qualify to them), knowing what you want(something a lot of guys think they do but don't), and not listening to Guru's who talk out of their ass and think their game is the only way to get women.

Overall there is a lot of value in this post

Solomon
 

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Señor Fingers said:
5. Be open to possibilities
Drop your assumptions about people you never met or know nothing about. At least give them a CHANCE to make an ass of themselves! If you are consistently disappointed in what your local pool of options has to offer, then it's time to realize that no one is twisting your arm to fish in the same stagnant waters.

6. Get around
Go to another city or country - get a different slant, or do SOMETHING outside your norm. It gives you much needed perspective and appreciation for the life you lead. Yeah I know the economy sucks and there are a million valid excuses to stay in your comfort zone - but truth is if you want something bad enough, you will make it happen, whatever the cost.
Great **** Fingers. I embody these two of late. It amazes me how distrustful of me some people are, because I'm a likable guy TO MOST. It makes me wonder that if someone is distrusting me from the get-go, then he must be a Liar himself in some way or other, and this I've found out from finding out More about the distrusters is that they are indeed the biggest liars.

I get around, more than ever these days. Familiarity breeds contempt. The further your radius of hunting grounds reaches, the more scarce you can make yourself in each of those hunting grounds (cities, venues). The Only place I never miss going to is Church and martial arts, and I can tell, that those particular groups of people, including women, take me more for granted. I do it to others too, even my own family. It's a shame, but that's our humanity, why divorce is so prevalent.
 

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Solomon said:
This is a great post, hands down one of the best, qualyfing your ladies is important(something we don't do enough as men cause we are to busy trying to qualify to them), knowing what you want(something a lot of guys think they do but don't), and not listening to Guru's who talk out of their ass and think their game is the only way to get women.

Overall there is a lot of value in this post

Solomon
Definitely agree people shouldn't talk out of their ass, especially when they don't back it up.:nono:
 

I.A.F.Y.B.

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Great post. Those are key things you need to learn in life and a few reminders for myself.

I hope to see more future posts.
 

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Props, this was great. Glad to see some positivity. I'm certainly guilty of my own negative 'grooves' at times, which is why I feel it's time to take a step away from the boards and make my own conclusions without its influence. I think too much immersion in any philosohpy, SS or otherwise, can keep one from growing.
 

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Thanks for the kind words yall - glad you found some value in this post.

There was a valid point of contention that I must address though:

ketostix said:
As you said, people operate under assumptions. This is what makes generalizations true to begin with. Also, things are going to be how they are despite whether you assume they're they way or not. There must be absolutes, trends and generalizations because if there was so much variance then various men would be equally successful. We know that certain types of men are much more successful than others.
What is interesting about your response here s the word "success". We could all argue in circles as to what this means because its very subjective. For me it simply means "getting the desired result".

I know lots of guys who have money, model looks and can easily lay the hottest chick in the club. To any onlooker these guys look successful - they got the hot babe, took her home and blew their load on her face - game over right?

Well maybe for the onlookers this would be true, because that is their "desired result", but when you really talk to these winning fellas, they are often no more happy or fulfilled than Mr. Average. In fact they face a whole different set of challenges that we cant imagine (women only loving them for superficial reasons, or letting their game go weak because they never put real effort in)

I know PLENTY of these guys who cant even get laid! They have everything working for them, but lack confidence around women and often resort to escorts/hookers. It really is a matter of perspective, which certainly is widely varied and highly personal.

Now I wont argue that stereotypes exist for a reason - it is evident that certain factors will influence one's success in predictable ways. A man with a healthy mindset keeps these generalizations in mind, but doesn't put all his stock in them, because he knows that life is anything but predictable.

If there is no element of surprise in the game, then its not worth playing IMHO.
 

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Great post.

Well maybe for the onlookers this would be true, because that is their "desired result", but when you really talk to these winning fellas, they are often no more happy or fulfilled than Mr. Average. In fact they face a whole different set of challenges that we can’t imagine (women only loving them for superficial reasons, or letting their game go weak because they never put real effort in).
In fact I was chatting to a friend of mine a few months ago and in the last six months he’s had about 9 attractive women. He then proceeded to tell me how he was so unhappy and seeing a doctor for depression because he was having thoughts of ending it all. Having a lot of women will not make you happy if you really just want a LTR.

I’ve learnt a great deal from SS and it’s been great. But it is about generalisations, and some of it can get a bit negative...the all women are wh*ores stuff etc, etc.

Commonly it’s about averages, and who here should be after the average girl? I don’t want an average girl, one that has no more sense than to simply follow all her emotional whims without consideration to the consequences.

If we are here for anything it should not be for the average in anything. We should be after the cream.

Countermart
 

Too Many Women?

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Magnificent Posting. As much experience as I hold, in dealing with women, I too must remember these things as well. Pimp Pimp Hoezrays!!
 

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Very solid stuff


Where are you at nowadays?
 

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Oxide said:
Where are you at nowadays?
Fingz started his own forum awhile back, I have it linked in my profile, if you care to stop by. VIST IQQI's HOMEPAGE! ;) Or PM one of us for the link.

Be warned.... there isn't a lot of negativy there, so if you crave that, you won't find it!

My new wish list for the place includes Collosus and Jeff.
 

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iqqi said:
Fingz started his own forum awhile back, I have it linked in my profile, if you care to stop by. VIST IQQI's HOMEPAGE! ;) Or PM one of us for the link.

Be warned.... there isn't a lot of negativy there, so if you crave that, you won't find it!

My new wish list for the place includes Collosus and Jeff.

To be honest the only reason I pop here is to see if Fingz is out and if Pook posts again.

Fingz got lost in the mix with me a year or so back, so much for the trip to Spain!!



In any case, this is a very great thread, and I think everyone needs to read it a couple times a week..

Here are some of my thoughts after reading, from personal experience, if anything needs to be elaborated please ask. I'll check out the forum IQQI, thx





Oxide Advice (after many mistakes)


1. give love - be warm - number one thing to surrounding yourself with people. be nice, welcome everyone, and don't judge.


2. don't try to be cool or aloof - this never works in your favor, movies LIE.

3. admit when you are wrong - DO NOT apologize for every little thing but admit when you **** up

4. there's never a perfect time to help others/to make a move on a girl.

5. you have no right to judge other people - live and let live, who cares?


6. world doesn't owe you anything, you are not the center of the universe. Everyone under 24 disagrees.

7. everyone has problems, everyone is on the grind in this life. There is no easy way if you want to make something out of yourself.

8. pay attention to the moment - vibe, chemistry. these are the things you remember years later, so enjoy the moment to the fullest.

9. there is no perfect, ride the wave!
 

Too Many Women?

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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