Zero Females

[Bandolero]

nah OP, u never had dates to begin with, those girls were just being polite. thats where you are going wrong. you're mistakinng her 'sure why not' response to your date plans for a 'yes sounds great!'
u need to filter for there investment before setting the date. its not what they say, but HOW they say it. there is only one goal of texting - to screen for her emotional investment. girls that are interested will be emotionally open when they text, seem upbeat/excited and be willing to qualify themselves.
THEN you set up the date. and you dont get a flake, because you knew the girl was already sold.

The idea of text game that people have mentioned is also BS. you cannot attract a woman through text. you cannot raise a womans interest level over text. you cannot make a woman see you as a catch who didnt recognise immediately it from the cold approach or your OLD profile. if a woman sees you as a catch, passive texting will NOT turn her off.

with texting you can do three things - logstics to set up dates, sustain an attraction which was already there (with occasional witty messages and conversations) or lower an existing attraction by being to available/saying something silly/beta.

say u meet a girl and get the number. send her one or two low effort texts which force her to put in effort to sustain the convo - for example send her 'how was the rest of your weekend?'. if she complies, and responds in a way which seems enthusiastic/she gives a f@ck about the convo...THEN u ask for the date. your text style should be laisse faire. if she doesnt give effort, or gives responses but doesnt show much interest in your life...u delete the number

the game has not changed since the 2000s because people are the same. the idea that now you have to 'have long convos' etc with women over text before the date is BS. u have to establish a mutual interest, thats it. u screen to see if shes as interested by seeing how her responses 'feel' - how long she takes to respond, how much info she gives you, how genuine her messages seem...

if the interest is there, u set the date as a reward. i guarantee if u showed me ur messages with these girls, there would be clear indicators of low interest/flakiness from the convos.

I don't even engage in conversations that give me a feeling of low interest.

That always ends up in " I am so busy right know , let's meet up in 3 weeks " or something like that.

Like bisch , I work 6 days a week . Built my home by myself and currently building my garden after work and on weekends. Train 4 times aaand still shocked to see my screen time on the phone .

 

[The Duke]

nah OP, u never had dates to begin with, those girls were just being polite. thats where you are going wrong. you're mistakinng her 'sure why not' response to your date plans for a 'yes sounds great!'
u need to filter for there investment before setting the date. its not what they say, but HOW they say it. there is only one goal of texting - to screen for her emotional investment. girls that are interested will be emotionally open when they text, seem upbeat/excited and be willing to qualify themselves.
THEN you set up the date. and you dont get a flake, because you knew the girl was already sold.

The idea of text game that people have mentioned is also BS. you cannot attract a woman through text. you cannot raise a womans interest level over text. you cannot make a woman see you as a catch who didnt recognise immediately it from the cold approach or your OLD profile. if a woman sees you as a catch, passive texting will NOT turn her off.

with texting you can do three things - logstics to set up dates, sustain an attraction which was already there (with occasional witty messages and conversations) or lower an existing attraction by being to available/saying something silly/beta.

say u meet a girl and get the number. send her one or two low effort texts which force her to put in effort to sustain the convo - for example send her 'how was the rest of your weekend?'. if she complies, and responds in a way which seems enthusiastic/she gives a f@ck about the convo...THEN u ask for the date. your text style should be laisse faire. if she doesnt give effort, or gives responses but doesnt show much interest in your life...u delete the number

the game has not changed since the 2000s because people are the same. the idea that now you have to 'have long convos' etc with women over text before the date is BS. u have to establish a mutual interest, thats it. u screen to see if shes as interested by seeing how her responses 'feel' - how long she takes to respond, how much info she gives you, how genuine her messages seem...

if the interest is there, u set the date as a reward. i guarantee if u showed me ur messages with these girls, there would be clear indicators of low interest/flakiness from the convos.

You make good points, but I've always had good results thru texting.

I once got a number from a girl on a Thursday nite. Late on a Friday afternoon I didn't feel like working much. I started texting this girl. Turned it secxual. Within a few hours of that initial text I was at her apartment having sex. I did everything you claim wasnt possible. And more than once.

 

[The Duke]

Only text .
I find a topic from the beginning and hold the conversation about 2 days before asking out .
Not more than 4 messages a day , no paragraphs but also no Smalltalk or one sentence answers.
I am screening their pictures and find something to talk about . Either their vacation, their home interior if seen in the Pictures or their messy bed .
90% of females don't make their bed before taking pictures. Low quality,but a topic .

I reach out 1-2 days before the date and ask if it is still set . Either they don't answer at all , or something came up .

I think you are right about the distance.
In my area I have a bad name due to club hookups and I mostly get matched from women which are 25+ miles away . Sounds not much ,but due to the infrastructure here that is about 40 minutes one way .

2 dates were about 25-30 miles away
The other one about 45 and the last one about 85 miles away.

I usually invite them to cook or bake at my place or meet in the middle and go to a spa or something like that , because that's my thing on weekends and I do it regardless, with or without them .

I don't want to change my weekend activities just to get someone to know

The distance sounds like an issue. I used to encounter the distance issue. I lived in a suburb 35miles away from the city. All the hot girls were in the city. Finally I just changed my location to the city and scheduled my dates closer to them. Helped my success rate. When they ask you about it tell them you don't want girls stalking you. Don't apologize or admit you mislead them.

Also, asking a girl to come to your place on a first date isn't helping your success rate. Better to meet in public.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Man. Dating is **** .

7 Days , 4 dates all cancelled the day before .

I can understand why people are going back pill.

Women are so picky with nothing to offer
It is ridiculous.

I am in the best shape , have my own home and garden and still not getting anything.

Maybe it is my location, but I feel so tired of dating

Not my experience. I almost never get cancels or flakes. Maybe 1 in 20.

Let me guess....you ghost until the day of the date?

 

[EyeBRollin]

Don’t get discouraged. This is just variance. It’s a numbers game. Don’t give up after one flake before you even met the girl.

Where are you located?

 

[SmoothSmooth]

You make good points, but I've always had good results thru texting.

I once got a number from a girl on a Thursday nite. Late on a Friday afternoon I didn't feel like working much. I started texting this girl. Turned it secxual. Within a few hours of that initial text I was at her apartment having sex. I did everything you claim wasnt possible. And more than once.

you wrote i 'once' got ... ie this was an anomaly. we dont know the specifics. how attracted was she when u cold approached her, was she already DTF, how attractive was the girl (lower smv), was she the right girl at the right time, drunk etc etc

in my experience, the vast majority of high smv girls aged 18-23 do not bang men based on their 'text game'. they do however use texting to sh!t test men that they are already attracted to (eg by replying late and seeing if he gets needy). in fact when a girl is attracted, SHE is the one that tries to be interesting, funny etc through text - to get the mans attention. thats the dynamic u need to screen for. not the other way round.

imagine theres two men shes talking to.
man 1 - she is on the fence about, she gives decent replies to him but they are mainly logical and lacking much energy/thought. however his text game is fire. from HIS perspective, he is killing it.

man 2 - she is sold on this guy already (based on his cold approach or online profile). shes worried about loosing his attention. so she writes engaging replies, tries to present her best foot and find commonalities through her messages. he replies in a relaxed manner; writing a little less than her. from HER perspective, shes invested alot into trying to get this date

which of the two does she feel more primal lust for?
which one does she feel more excited to meet on Friday?
which is the 'challenge?'

behave like a mercedes dealership - less is more. a used car salesman has all the techniques and wordplay, but a mercedes doesnt oversell

 

[SmoothSmooth]

dont get me wrong, theres a place for wit and sharing interesting messages ... but it comes from a place of wanting to match and maintain a vibe which already exists... not from a place of trying to 'make' her see you as attractive

 

[European-DJ]

Only text .
I find a topic from the beginning and hold the conversation about 2 days before asking out .
Not more than 4 messages a day , no paragraphs but also no Smalltalk or one sentence answers.
I am screening their pictures and find something to talk about . Either their vacation, their home interior if seen in the Pictures or their messy bed .
90% of females don't make their bed before taking pictures. Low quality,but a topic .

I reach out 1-2 days before the date and ask if it is still set . Either they don't answer at all , or something came up .

I think you are right about the distance.
In my area I have a bad name due to club hookups and I mostly get matched from women which are 25+ miles away . Sounds not much ,but due to the infrastructure here that is about 40 minutes one way .

2 dates were about 25-30 miles away
The other one about 45 and the last one about 85 miles away.

I usually invite them to cook or bake at my place or meet in the middle and go to a spa or something like that , because that's my thing on weekends and I do it regardless, with or without them .

I don't want to change my weekend activities just to get someone to know

Spa? Cook or bake at your place? These for me are aggressive first date suggestions and I would likely flake as well if a girl invited me out for any of these. The former brings out some self confidence issues for most girls (even the ones that flash their ass on insta - remember, she spent ages perfecting that picture and isn’t going to ruin all of that by jumping in a bikini the moment she meets you - imagine if you said something negative, it’ll ruin her fragile ego)! The latter is just too much time commitment If she wants to pull a “I need to run” after 30 min.

Always meet in public spaces. Always escalate within the first 30 minutes (I know that I have a topic at the moment where I say I freeze when I am out with model looking girls, but this still works). This works for a reason.

I am currently on a work trip in Eastern Europe. Friday night I went out with a girl and got her home by 2AM. Yesterday I went out with another girl and got her back to mine within an hour and a half, despite her knowing I had other commitments immediately after the act and had to kick her out.

Girls are easy if you have good chat, can escalate early and take the lead.

I take a slightly different approach to girls I want to date long term. But I don’t get the sense that you’re looking for a LTR.

Happy to help if you have specific questions. Just DM me

 

[European-DJ]

One thing to add. A lot of people on this forum say dating has gotten harder post Covid. This isn’t my experience at all. In fact, I find that girls are much more receptive and open, and are actively pursuing relationships again like in the good old days…

OLD has also made dating ridiculously easy. It’s like playing tennis with the net down these days

 

[corrector]

Spa? Cook or bake at your place? These for me are aggressive first date suggestions and I would likely flake as well if a girl invited me out for any of these. The former brings out some self confidence issues for most girls (even the ones that flash their ass on insta - remember, she spent ages perfecting that picture and isn’t going to ruin all of that by jumping in a bikini the moment she meets you - imagine if you said something negative, it’ll ruin her fragile ego)! The latter is just too much time commitment If she wants to pull a “I need to run” after 30 min.

Always meet in public spaces. Always escalate within the first 30 minutes (I know that I have a topic at the moment where I say I freeze when I am out with model looking girls, but this still works). This works for a reason.

I am currently on a work trip in Eastern Europe. Friday night I went out with a girl and got her home by 2AM. Yesterday I went out with another girl and got her back to mine within an hour and a half, despite her knowing I had other commitments immediately after the act and had to kick her out.

Girls are easy if you have good chat, can escalate early and take the lead.

I take a slightly different approach to girls I want to date long term. But I don’t get the sense that you’re looking for a LTR.

Happy to help if you have specific questions. Just DM me

Yet this is how @BackInTheGame78 total seduction strategy is. He texts women and invites them to cook in his kitchen. It almost sounds like ths OP is taking his advice and falling flat in the face with it. That is why his claims that he is not a chad/chadlite rings hollow and this strategy only works if a woman finds you hot enough looks.

The idea that the OP that is too forward and causing women to flake is like me saying Toronto is a bad city for women.

 

[corrector]

One thing to add. A lot of people on this forum say dating has gotten harder post Covid. This isn’t my experience at all. In fact, I find that girls are much more receptive and open, and are actively pursuing relationships again like in the good old days…

OLD has also made dating ridiculously easy. It’s like playing tennis with the net down these days

Its always easy for chadlites.

 

[AttackFormation]

OLD has also made dating ridiculously easy. It’s like playing tennis with the net down these days

Good for you, it means you must be highly photogenic.

 

[corrector]

Good for you, it means you must be highly photogenic.

That is why the OP is failing and should just quit OLD.

 

[Solomon]

4 flakes in a week? You have to be doing something wrong. I would take a step back and revaluate things. I get maybe 2 flakes in an entire year…

Agree with this I mean but it could also be OP is shooting his shot with women with low interest I typically find in my experience that those are the women that flake on me 90% of the time

OLD is trash typically I know 90% of the time if a chick and I will get along even if it just for one date based on vetting her before the date, if you got 4 women flaking on you that means you 1 doing something wrong 2 you entertaining low interest women that you shouldn't bother to begin with

 

[Bandolero]

Not my experience. I almost never get cancels or flakes. Maybe 1 in 20.

Let me guess....you ghost until the day of the date?

Correct

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Correct

Expect the same results if you continue doing that.

 

[Canadian_Man]

Here's an example I kept from a few years ago when I was far less rusty, far better at teasing & building anticipation.

Maybe you can learn something from it.

It doesn't take long to set up a date via OLD, not two days, and she was excited/attracted enough not to flake.

There was a purpose to every message I sent, from the first one until the end: to get her out to the tea cafe while peaking her interest.

The date went well, we made our way to a nearby park afterwards (with swings and the such), fooled around a bit there, then, made it back to my place (a short walk away), where it got more intimate (but didn't hook up that night).

I don't believe I texted her much at all leading up to the date after it was set, unless she texted me first.

This was OkCupid or another OLD app.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Here's an example I kept from a few years ago when I was far less rusty, far better at teasing & building anticipation.

Maybe you can learn something from it.

It doesn't take long to set up a date via OLD, not two days, and she was excited/attracted enough not to flake.

There was a purpose to every message I sent, from the first one until the end: to get her out to the tea cafe while peaking her interest.

The date went well, we made our way to a nearby park afterwards (with swings and the such), fooled around a bit there, then, made it back to my place (a short walk away), where it got more intimate (but didn't hook up that night).

I don't believe I texted her much at all leading up to the date after it was set, unless she texted me first.

This was OkCupid or another OLD app.

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I love seeing success stories. However, this is way too much chit chat for my taste. You also forgot to ask for the order. (She never explicitly confirmed she is coming, because you didn’t ask for compliance. You just are assuming she will come. It’s a small but important detail).

 

[Canadian_Man]

You also forgot to ask for the order. (She never explicitly confirmed she is coming, because you didn’t ask for compliance. You just are assuming she will come. It’s a small but important detail).

It sounded like she was coming to me, I'm not quite sure what you mean in this case.

What would a brief example of order/compliance look like in this context?

I love seeing success stories. However, this is way too much chit chat for my taste.

I tend to try to keep chit-chat to a minimum as well.

It's more than I usually do, from what I remember I was testing out a new idea for setting the date without having her flake.

Turned out well, that time.

 

[EyeBRollin]

It sounded like she was coming to me, I'm not quite sure what you mean in this case.

What would a brief example of order/compliance look like in this context?

7 works as well.
Great, so I’ll see you there?
Yes. See ya
Perfect / Thumb up emoji / etc