you know its bad when they admit it.

[Warrior74]

My friend called me out the other day. She said, "you only want sex and then want women to leave you the hell alone, you'll never get married like that".
I countered with, what's the upside to marriage for a man? What's the downside?

She feigns ignorance, so I laid it out for her, and surprisingly, she agreed on every single point. She said if she was a man she would never get married because she knows how women are, but she's glad her husband doesn't see things that way. She's nearly cheated on him twice that I know about just because the guy was "hot". She knows that she can get the house, the car, and money for her daughter that he adopted. They know the hypocrisy, they know the trap, but they rather you didn't know about it. I've had this conversation with several female acquaintances and they all pull the same thing, feign ignorance, admit it, then say how its either better for them, or its good for the childrenz, or NAWALT! (not all women are like that).

No I can't go for that. No can do. Oh, why did she call me out? We used to be FBs for a few years until she met her husband. She was desperate to get me to settle down and basically support her and her daughter, then as 'friends" she has always tried to get me to find a nice girl and settle down.

 

[squirrels]

That's honestly why 1) I don't look down on people who "cheat"...because marriage is about the family, not about romance. As long as you're there for your partner and the children and help to raise them, if you get a little on the outside (safely), then you do.

If I ever DO get married, it won't be because "I love the girl". That's garbage...and that's the thing most people don't realize. It reminds me of Mel Brooks's "SpaceBalls", during the wedding scene in the end, where the minister says, "Excuse me, I'm trying to conduct a wedding here, which has nothing to do with love!"

Do you know why so many women get away with abusing female privilege in marriage? Because the men LET them.

I remember one time I was messing around with this girl, we were driving to lunch and I saw a Lexus SC430 (two-seater hard-top convertible) and commented on how I like that car. She told me, "If we were together, you couldn't carry a kid around in that". I told her, "Sure I could...I'd strap his car seat in the passenger-side, we'd go cruising and leave your ass home to cook dinner. "

Don't let them even get it in their head that you'll give ground to them...then when you do, it's seen as a gift and a sign of caring. Just like guys who bring flowers and gifts all the time, after a while, the gift loses meaning. But guys who RARELY do it, then just spontaneously bust something out "out of nowhere" are "SO ROMANTIC!!". That's the push-pull that all the old Don Juans talk about...tease her, give her a hard time, then turn around and hit her with something she never saw coming.

The art of dealing with women is an art lost on a generation of pansies who have no meaning in lives and judge themselves solely on how much a woman/women love them/approve of their lives. Of COURSE giving a woman that kind of power over you is going to corrupt you. It doesn't have to be like that...and YOU, as the MAN, can control whether it is or not.

 

[satelliteparties]

I just think it's a sign of the times. My parents have been married 30 years, rarely fight and when they do, it's quickly resolved. My dad isn't an AFC...and my mom worked full time up until very recently and both were there for me and raised me right. There's no "romance" per say...they're in their late 50s...but they do stuff together all the time and get along really great.

Back when they were in their 20s, things were different. Women were more accountable and people got together for more pure reasons.

Nowadays AFCs are so sex starved that even some fat 30 year old with 3 kids from two different marriages have tons of male admirers and it gets to their ego.

Add in a sex in the city culture, axe body spray commercials and the like, and women are treated as these untouchable goddesses that never defocate...and the result is the self-entitled American woman.

 

[georgie24]

satellite is spot on, with the addition of facebook these jaba the huts are todays princesses

 

[Warrior74]

Don't get me wrong guys. I think for the young man with some decent game, and who is willing to give a half try, its plenty of women to hook up with out there. Hell when I was in college I started as a virgin and racked up double digits and I was complete computer nerd, the guys I knew who were players, frat boys and jocks were cleaning up.

For the guys that are 30s + with a great/decent career and in shape with some game, I don't think it's too hard for them either IF they have some game.

For the guys like me, not so much. But then again, I don't put myself out there any more. I really do have the mentality that I just want to bust a nut and I want you to go away. I'm not even pretending to be interested in a relationship or playing the game any more. The last 4-5 years have been fvcking hard and just keep getting harder, its an effort to see women as anything other than a brief respite from all the other crap I have to deal with. Which means the minute I get some BS from a woman, I'm out. Plates or no plates. I really couldn't see what a woman could bring into my life besides demands and new things to juggle in what is already a complicated life. Fvck it. I'm done. It's fun to talk about the game, and be students of the game...but I'm done playing the game. I'm out.

marriage is not my end game. I have a kid, i just want sex with a decent looking woman on a regular basis and earn money while spending time with my daughter. That's it. But everything comes with strings, and so instead of dealing with the strings, I'm just leaving it. Focusing on money and the kid. I'm done.

 

[omkara]

She knows that she can get the house, the car, and money for her daughter that he adopted. They know the hypocrisy, they know the trap, but they rather you didn't know about it. I've had this conversation with several female acquaintances and they all pull the same thing, feign ignorance, admit it, then say how its either better for them, or its good for the childrenz, or NAWALT! (not all women are like that).

Sounds like you have a really strong frame. This is great. We need to start sending out the message more and more, on an individual basis.

 

[sodbuster]

Warrior is about where I am. I'm not doing sexual transmutation on purpose,but I'm not willing to work too hard at landing a woman.....for the extra 40k a year my NET WORTH is going up without one? my attitude toward women...The train is going down the tracks,not turning around for YOU,you want to ride? catch your azz up...it isn't stopping.

 

[Wilko]

Good thread. None of the thirty odd women I've dated in the last two years were up to spec for an LTR, not that I'm looking for one but you gauge that stuff all the same. If I took the possibility of getting some pu55y out of the equation a lot of those women weren't interesting or fun enough to warrant spending time with. But it's always going to be part of the equation, I'm cool with that.

Women get away with talking about 'relationships' when they actually mean 'ownership' most of the time. I like to call them out on that when they try to take the moral high ground.

"I want a committed relationship with you".

I want to own you, I might even want you to sign a legal/religious contract that states you belong to me. I want to control how you use your time, how you spend your money, who you hang out with, when and how you use your **** and who you use it with.

If a woman keeps being fun, interesting and sexy I'll stick around, if she doesn't I won't. When a woman obsesses about commitment the spidey senses start tingling - this girl can't wait to slack off.

 

[Die Hard]

For the guys like me, not so much. But then again, I don't put myself out there any more. I really do have the mentality that I just want to bust a nut and I want you to go away. I'm not even pretending to be interested in a relationship or playing the game any more. The last 4-5 years have been fvcking hard and just keep getting harder, its an effort to see women as anything other than a brief respite from all the other crap I have to deal with. Which means the minute I get some BS from a woman, I'm out. Plates or no plates. I really couldn't see what a woman could bring into my life besides demands and new things to juggle in what is already a complicated life. Fvck it. I'm done. It's fun to talk about the game, and be students of the game...but I'm done playing the game. I'm out.

That's harsh, man... I kinda understand where you're coming from but it makes me sad to see the way you feel. I still believe that a happy relationship is possible, depending on your growth as a person. A lot of us have had misfortune, whether it was in our youth or adult life... It forms our personality, makes us develop defense mechanisms that become part of our personalities. On the one hand, life demands from us to develop them, but they actually prevent us from reaching a happy relationship in the end. Got to fight through it, "protecting yourself" versus "the need for love", finding a healthy way to align these two is one of life's toughest missions... But guys like Rollo Tomassi and Slickster will always serve as an example to me. They do have happy relationships, correct that: Marriages! I recently took the time to read Slickster's great thread all over again:

http://sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=75091

Invaluable....

 

[Burroughs]

Women get away with talking about 'relationships' when they actually mean 'ownership' most of the time. .

very clever observation.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

she's glad her husband doesn't see things.

Fixed.

 

[f283000]

That's harsh, man... I kinda understand where you're coming from but it makes me sad to see the way you feel. I still believe that a happy relationship is possible

A happy relationship takes a quality woman which are gems and gems are VERY hard to find now a days.

Good looking women are everywhere but quality women are extremely rare. Let us not confuse a quality woman with a good looking woman.

I thought that my fear of commitment and getting into relationships meant that there was something wrong with me. I have come to realize that there is nothing wrong with me but definitely something wrong with THEM!

I would have to lower my standards of what a good woman is a lot in order for me to feel genuine "love" for the women I have been with. I just have a very old fashioned ideal of what a good woman should be and unfortunately I can't find them here. I have to settle for getting secks and wanting nothing else with them. I still have to satisfy my urges but they don't really deserve me giving them "love."

 

[Sue Madre]

A happy relationship takes a quality woman which are gems and gems are VERY hard to find now a days.

Good looking women are everywhere but quality women are extremely rare. Let us not confuse a quality woman with a good looking woman.

I thought that my fear of commitment and getting into relationships meant that there was something wrong with me. I have come to realize that there is nothing wrong with me but definitely something wrong with THEM!

I would have to lower my standards of what a good woman is a lot in order for me to feel genuine "love" for the women I have been with. I just have a very old fashioned ideal of what a good woman should be and unfortunately I can't find them here. I have to settle for getting secks and wanting nothing else with them.

It's easy to find a great girl. You just have to find a foreign girl who hasn't been in the country for a long time. That's what I did and I'm very happy. I will never date a western woman again.

 

[nismo-4]

It's easy to find a great girl. You just have to find a foreign girl who hasn't been in the country for a long time. That's what I did and I'm very happy. I will never date a western woman again.

I haven't dated a foreign girl in my life!

For most Western women, if they get wind you might be some kind of sugardaddy, they'll approach you and chameleon themselves to be the perfect woman i.e. going out with you whenever, f**king you whenever, being by you whenever, all the while she's trying to get knocked up. I can't stand women who want to get committed before you've f**ked them.

 

[Sue Madre]

I haven't dated a foreign girl in my life!

For most Western women, if they get wind you might be some kind of sugardaddy, they'll approach you and chameleon themselves to be the perfect woman i.e. going out with you whenever, f**king you whenever, being by you whenever, all the while she's trying to get knocked up. I can't stand women who want to get committed before you've f**ked them.

I have dated my foreign girl for 6 months and I might marry her. She cooks, she cleans. She worships the ground I walk on. She is thin, and takes care of herself and she has values. Her parents have been together 30 years faithfully. I can trust this girl. It's a world of difference from these western feminist b!tches.

 

[f283000]

It's easy to find a great girl. You just have to find a foreign girl who hasn't been in the country for a long time. That's what I did and I'm very happy. I will never date a western woman again.

Getting a foreign gf (here in the states) is a difficult thing to do.

The last chance I had was with foreign asian girls back when I was going to uni. But to get with asian girls "straight off the boat" you need to be part of their social circle. They only hang out with their little cliques and seem to be very distrustful of anyone else.

I'm not talking about americanized asian women don't confused the two.

 

[Sue Madre]

Getting a foreign gf (here in the states) is a difficult thing to do.

The last chance I had was with foreign asian girls back when I was going to uni. But to get with asian girls "straight off the boat" you need to be part of their social circle. They only hang out with their little cliques and seem to be very distrustful of anyone else.

I'm not talking about americanized asian women don't confused the two.

What area do you live in?

I live in a part of the USA where there are tons of foreign women. They are everywhere in my area. I don't go for Asian chics. I like Latinas.

 

[scrouds]

My mother worries that I'll end up alone. Its the only thing she brings up about marriage that I don't have a counter for.

 

[women haze]

So for us guys that want a loving , Great Relationship like the old days...build a family off of. Are those days over?

Seriously that is what I want.....a best friend and a lover. I guess it's impossible now eh?

 

[Warrior74]

So for us guys that want a loving , Great Relationship like the old days...build a family off of. Are those days over?

Seriously that is what I want.....a best friend and a lover. I guess it's impossible now eh?

I think it's possible. It seems like guys like Backbreaker and Rollo have what most guys here are looking for. I personally have just given up. Then again I had to realize that I have unrealistic expectations. No I don't expect 9s and 10s when I'm clearly a 6 on a good day, but I have had 8's and 9s when I was younger with game and I find it hard to downgrade. Especially in the climate I find myself in (The Southern Sea of Whales, no not the UK, the American south.)