You guys realize that getting women as a man is the absolute hardest aspect of social interaction??

[JonnyX]

I can't do that canned routine ****. I would feel so uncomfortable and awkward

It's gotta feel natural for me

Talking to a random stranger who most likely doesn't even want to talk to you will never feel natural. Deal with it or don't.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Talking to a random stranger who most likely doesn't even want to talk to you will never feel natural. Deal with it or don't.

That's why you wait for choosing signals.

 

[bigdave17]

Talking to a random stranger who most likely doesn't even want to talk to you will never feel natural. Deal with it or don't.

Put away all your ethnic self loathing and give me an honest opinion here

if I did match/e harmony and other similar sites aimed at serious relationships, would I have any success going after Latin/Arab/Mediterranean women?

I can probably get professional pics done where my face would look more like a 7/10 to maybe even a little better. Is that good enough or still not good enough to where I would need to be a 10/10? Wouldn't my income level help hugely for women around 26-27?

 

[bigdave17]

That's why you wait for choosing signals.

which i never get from women who are 6-8s unless they are single moms and/or over 30

 

[RedScorpion]

how is that a glamour shot? that's a ****ty picture with a sh*tty camera and she's making a weird pose

If she worked with a professional photographer, she would look ridiculously gorgeous

Great, well you go find that girl and go get her. Just hold up that picture everywhere you go. Since that’s in reality the only girl you’ll ‘settle’ for.

 

[bigdave17]

Great, well you go find that girl and go get her. Just hold up that picture everywhere you go. Since that’s in reality the only girl you’ll ‘settle’ for.

just FYI

probably 60 to 70% of 25 year old Spanish or middle eastern women I see with awesome bodies (IE they clearly workout, diet, have a great healthy lifestyle) are plenty good enough

in reality, the average female face with the dark features I like is plenty good enough for me. I don't need super gorgeous, stunning features. I just don't want bad acne or fukked up teeth or a gigantic nose. Normal average female features are fine

 

[bigdave17]

Talking to a random stranger who most likely doesn't even want to talk to you will never feel natural. Deal with it or don't.

I don't find it hard to make friends at random places though

Why are attractive women so much more difficult than talking to random people?

 

[RedScorpion]

I don't find it hard to make friends at random places though

Why are attractive women so much more difficult than talking to random people?

Because you feel anxious around the attractive person. Something to gain, something to lose.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

which i never get from women who are 6-8s unless they are single moms and/or over 30

Simply partake in some of the offering. The world will reward you in additional ways . You have to take good care of your self.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Because you feel anxious around the attractive person. Something to gain, something to lose.

If he had all that good but slightly less attractive puzzy on hand these finer babes won't phase him. Part of game is actual abundance.

 

[JonnyX]

That's why you wait for choosing signals.

lol. Only works if you're good looking enough to get them.

Also Dave, I have absolutely no self loathing for my own ethnicity. What you still can't comprehend is your own assessment of your value has no bearing on other people's.

I can think being an Indian man is fantastic. I can think I am fantastic. But if women disagree, then that is what will determine my options for dating.

This is the fundamental lie behind "inner game" in PUA circles. "Inner AWARENESS" is far more important. ie. Know your strengths, weaknesses, and know how people perceive you.

The only way to know that is to test the waters and see what responses you get. If you're too chicken **** to actually try in life then you'll never know. You'll just keep posting here asking empty hypotheticals.

 

[devilkingx2]

I thought the hardest social interaction was being a door to door salesman of something nobody wants like insurance or a pyramid scheme

 

[Dash Riprock]

Making friends - I can go to my gym, talk to literally any guy there for 15-20 minutes and he will want to hang out with me. I think it's that almost everybody can sense that i'm genuinely a very good person with good integrity/morals and they are naturally drawn to me. That plus my combination of being very successful and driven in life is extremely appealing to people.

Obviously getting men as a woman is insanely easy (assuming we're talking about somebody who is on the same level of being decent looking with a great body like I am)

Getting gay men is super easy

Getting gay women as a gay woman is super easy (again, assuming you have a decent face with a great body. You can go to any gay or dyke bar and have more options than you can imagine)

There is literally nothing or nowhere you can go where dating is anything close to easy as a straight man. At most bars and clubs, women go out in giant groups and approaching is crazy hard. Approaching during the day is crazy hard. Straight women are more selective and demanding in who they date than any other demographic of society.

And again, I'm talking about meeting somebody quality... I can go to a lot of places and have women show me a lot of interest who are 10 miles below my league. That means nothing. If I went to a gay bar, I would have muscular good looking 26 year olds dying to be with me. I go to straight bars and the only women who show me obvious interest are 35 year old single moms. It's just not remotely comparable

@bigdave17: http://www.mantherapy.org/

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Approaching and asking women out in real life is much harder.

That's the way most fat people think about eating healthy and exercise. So they don't do it. So they are fat.

You don't want to what's necessary. You're trying to find a shortcut to playing the numbers game in real life. Just like there is no shortcut to losing weight and getting healthy, there is no shortcut in developing an attractive personality that will take you much farther than all your imaginary awesomeness.

You complain about how impossible and horrible and unfair it is to approach and get shot down, get rejected, and make people uncomfortable, JUST LIKE fat people complain about how hard it is to diet and exercise.

Fat people gonna be fat.

Dave gonna be Dave.

 

[RickTheToad]

aren't you in your 40s?

Women in 30s and 40s have no standards. I could easily get a 8/10 36 year old this week if I wanted

the problem is that the 20 year olds are retardedly picky

My age is stated in my profile, 36. Look to the left. You are certainly wrong with the standards. All attractive ladies have standards. Where they are warranted or not, that is another topic, but they all have standards. What rock have you been living under?

I feel you man, but you need to loosen up your standards to get the vibe flowing that you're getting some tail. The ladies can smell that on you. It's like a sixth sense. These standards you have, how's that working for you? Are you slaying ladies left and right? Or, are you bone dry in the ladies juices' dept? Just browsing your posts, I suspect the later. Again, I am no master of the arts with ladies, but logic and rational would dictate that if you lower your standards, the ladies juices will start flowing down to your balls. If you continue to stick to your perfect 10 standards, you're going to have a lot of lonely nights.

Also, most ladies who are at least average looking are retardedly picky.. They have an abundance mindset because nearly every man is tripping over their penises just to be inside them. You need to revisit your strategy. Or, don't and in December you'll still be on this forum complaining about how you cannot get a hot ladies.

I am told, for attractive ladies, it's best to connect with them in public than online. Rarely do they go out online with the men; unless for validation or boredom. You're call.

 

[bigdave17]

My age is stated in my profile, 36. Look to the left. You are certainly wrong with the standards. All attractive ladies have standards. Where they are warranted or not, that is another topic, but they all have standards. What rock have you been living under?

Women in their 30s have no standards. I've had multiple beautiful and classy 34 year olds approach me. Women age horrendously though (especially white ones) so I'm not going to date anybody older than me. I need like a 25 year old, which have crazy standards

If you continue to stick to your perfect 10 standards, you're going to have a lot of lonely nights

probably 60 to 70% of 25 year old Spanish or middle eastern women I see with awesome bodies (IE they clearly workout, diet, have a great healthy lifestyle) are plenty good enough

in reality, the average female face with the dark features I like is plenty good enough for me. I don't need super gorgeous, stunning features. I just don't want bad acne or fukked up teeth or a gigantic nose. Normal average female features are fine

 

[RickTheToad]

Women in their 30s have no standards. I've had multiple beautiful and classy 34 year olds approach me.

Do you say that because they approached you? Thus, stating your standards are wrong? I think you're a bit off from the realities of dating the ladies. Do you think J.Lo has no standards and is over the wall so to speak? How about Jillian Michaels or Liz Hurley? You're a bit delusional on how you look at things my friend. At least, in terms of interacting with ladies.

 

[bigdave17]

Do you say that because they approached you? Thus, stating your standards are wrong? I think you're a bit off from the realities of dating the ladies. Do you think J.Lo has no standards and is over the wall so to speak? How about Jillian Michaels or Liz Hurley? You're a bit delusional on how you look at things my friend. At least, in terms of interacting with ladies.

You can't use celebrities, they live a different world

On a standards level, women over 30 are much much much easier than under 30, which is one of my biggest frustrations

 

[AJ84]

Women in their 30s have no standards. I've had multiple beautiful and classy 34 year olds approach me. Women age horrendously though (especially white ones) so I'm not going to date anybody older than me. I need like a 25 year old, which have crazy standards



probably 60 to 70% of 25 year old Spanish or middle eastern women I see with awesome bodies (IE they clearly workout, diet, have a great healthy lifestyle) are plenty good enough

in reality, the average female face with the dark features I like is plenty good enough for me. I don't need super gorgeous, stunning features. I just don't want bad acne or fukked up teeth or a gigantic nose. Normal average female features are fine

Attractive women, regardless of age can have standards. Attractive women get attention from males. There was a study done once where men were shown pics of various women and asked to rate their interest in dating them. The ages of the women were not known to these men. All the men gave higher ratings to all the attractive women, period. Older women who looked better than younger women were rated higher.

So women who look good and have options and attention from men are more likely to be pickier, just like their male counterparts.

Yes young hot women have the most choice of all even over young hot men but this doesn't mean that men who aren't celebs are not successful with young hot women. Game Dave, and building confidence and comfort through interacting with and dating women. Accept dates from the women who are approaching you if they are decent enough just to get out there. They're just dates not marriages just get out there and say yes to some of these women you say approach you all the time.

 

[bigdave17]

Attractive women, regardless of age can have standards. Attractive women get attention from males. There was a study done once where men were shown pics of various women and asked to rate their interest in dating them. The ages of the women were not known to these men. All the men gave higher ratings to all the attractive women, period. Older women who looked better than younger women were rated higher.

So women who look good and have options and attention from men are more likely to be pickier, just like their male counterparts.

Yes young hot women have the most choice of all even over young hot men but this doesn't mean that men who aren't celebs are not successful with young hot women. Game Dave, and building confidence and comfort through interacting with and dating women. Accept dates from the women who are approaching you if they are decent enough just to get out there. They're just dates not marriages just get out there and say yes to some of these women you say approach you all the time.

I was seeing a legit 8.5/10 mid 30s woman last year. She was absolutely gorgeous (dark black hair with bright blue eyes), masters degree in political science, super super sweet. The second I started talking to her, she was all over me. I was seeing her for a month but I cut it off because I knew I would never date her. I especially don't want to date a single mom. I felt guilty afterwards...she really wants a serious relationship and someone who will be there for her. I only went out with her to boost my ego. I vowed not to do that again. I care a lot about not misleading women or using them. To me, going out with somebody for "practice" is just using them. It's morally fukking wrong. That's a real human being, not a practice dummy. I would hate it if some woman used me as a practice until she could date a white chad. Treat people the way you want to be treated - I'm a huge believer in that.

if I approached the mid 20s version of that, she would have likely blown me off instantly