Yes, but what do you do when love rears its ugly head?

The Grue

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I met Maya(27) in Athens back in February at a concert. She was a student from Serbia visiting a common friend or ours who had brought her to the concert. We were introduced, but not much happened because after a while, our groups drifted apart. However, we later became friends online and before long we started wandering into more intimate conversations. I remember being physically attracted to her but as the months passed, I also found myself very into her as a person. She has a vibrant, energetic personality and the fires were fanned by our many common interests, especially in music.

In the months from March to June our bond developed further. At this time, Maya was seeing someone but she did not seem to be in love. She also confessed that they only had sex every 2 weeks or so because he was .."always tired" due to long hours at work. Anyway, it seemed to me that their relationship was on its last legs and come mid-May, Maya told me she had broken up with him. I felt a bit guilty, but she told me it would have happened sooner or later as they were not in love. According to her, he took it well too.

In June, Maya confessed to having feelings for me and I decide to visit her in Belgrade since it would be a new experience and because I too was started to feel for her.

My first visit was for a week in mid-July and Maya turned up at the airport. We were both afraid it would be a bit awkward turning the online thing to real life, but we very naturally hugged and a while later, kissed. That evening we went out, then back to my hotel where we made love. She then returned home late at night.

At this point, I need to clarify certain problems with Maya.

1. She is an only child and her parents are divorced. Her 60-year-old mother(who is not exactly easy to live with) is constantly on her case. The mom is very traditional and old-fashioned and doesn't like me because she is afraid Maya would leave the country and abandon her alone if something serious materialized between us..

2. Maya comes from a poor family in a poor country. She is studying medicine but needs about a year before she finishes, possibly more. She failed an important exam in June, then in July again. For this reason, her Mom is constantly on her case to study hard. Finishing sooner rather than later also means getting a job and acquiring some independence...

3. Maya was raped and locked in a room for 18 hours about 13 months ago. She had therapy afterwards, but has gotten panic attacks since the incident.
It is another reason why she is behind in her studies...

Back to the story...

After making love that evening, Maya seemed distressed the following day and I find out she had a panic attack at her home and had to take some medication for it. She was better in the evening of the second day though....
During the next 5 days we have a wonderful time, I meet her Dad(who I get along with) and our relationship deepens...however, I notice that Maya is reluctant to come back to the hotel room...
On the last day of my trip we go out to a great restaurant, we eat and we dance the night away...then we return to my hotel and make love...again, I return her home and the next day we say our goodbyes..she was in tears and I was a bit choked up too...

A few days later, while skype-ing, I tell her that I probably wouldn't be able to see her until late October..unless...I came mid August for a week again or she came to Athens to visit me. Unfortunately, Athens was out of the question for monetary reasons, plus she would have problems with her mom.
With this in mind, I decide to see her again from the 20th to the 27th of August, which was just a few days ago. I almost cancelled the trip a few days before as she told me on the phone she "wasn't sure" how often she would see me because of her studying for a big exam...Thus, I was ready to cancel but she assured me there would be time...I was worried however of the pressures that were already being placed on her...

So, I arrived once more in Belgrade and we met again with hugs and kisses and tears.. Again, we go to the hotel for some love-making, and then to a rock festival that night. However, I had a terrible headache and told her to stay with her friends while I headed home to rest. She seemed OK, but I found out the next morning that she had had another panic attack later in the evening...

Unfortunately, after this, her whole attitude (to me at least) seemed to change...she was quite messed up the next day, and again took medication which seemed to affect her quite a bit(suppressants). She looked depressed and I could tell the pressures of our relationship were starting to get to her. After a day, I was disillusioned and ready to head back home a few days early, but she persuaded me to stay.. Still, she could not stay at my hotel at nights, first because of her mom, and second, because of her fear that another panic attack would be triggered by being in a closed space like the hotel room...

2 days before my departure we were drinking coffee after a long walk and I tell her we can't go on like this.. She starts to sob and hug me, but accepts that our relationship has real problems...
What followed was 2 days of her constantly hugging and staying close to me yet also being detached in an eerie sort of way...difficult for me to explain this dichotomy..yet it was there...

The evening before my departure she comes to the hotel front court yet does not want to come upstairs fearing a panic attack..I go up and bring her a gift I had brought for her( a scarf) and I kiss her goodbye in the courtyard.
I then leave, but 10 minutes later, I look out my window and notice she is still there...so I go down, we hug and kiss and just sit together. About 2 hours later I put her on the bus home and say goodbye...

What follows upon my return is a few days of messages where it becomes apparent we are in some sort of limbo...

Then, a few days later, she tells me she saw a "priest/psychologist" who can help her with the panic attacks..I am truly worried at hearing this, since I am usually suspicious of priests, but she seems relaxed...yet, very distant....and she starts mentioning stuff about feeling guilt about us, and that we rushed into sex too quickly and that she has done bad things and needs to feed her soul rather than her body...

All this leads to heated words on my part and accusations and I cut ties... However, a few days later I realize I was a bit too emotional and we patch things up in a fashion.
At this point, I speak to a good friend of Maya's on skype(we had been introduced in Serbia) who is called Helena. Helena tells me to give Maya time because she is in a very difficult state now..but that Maya cares, it is just that she is seriously messed up at the moment and is under a lot of pressure form many directions...
A friend of mine also mentions that he too has panic attacks and they are truly a terrible thing as you feel as if you are about to die.
He too believes I should cut her some slack and not press her. He mentions that having a relationship is probably not her prime consideration right now as she is "sick"...

Sorry for such a long story but here now is my dilemma....
Keeping in mind that I have feelings for Maya and wish to further the relationship with her.. should I not pressure her and just give her some time to work things out?
or should I just cut my losses and just move on to another woman as this may be a lost cause?

Final point is that Maya continues to seem distant to me these last few days. We do not chat at all, and only exchanged a short message a day ago.
Is there something here, or am I flogging a dead horse?

Thanks for your patience brothers in reading this overly-lengthy post!
 
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Greasy Pig

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I'm a pretty optimistic guy but I find it hard to feel optimism about this situation.
It looks to me that she's damaged goods and really needs to sort out her own life before she can be a meaningful, happy, positive part of yours.
I honestly think your sanity and bank balance would be better off by discounting her as a serious option right now.
It's pretty obvious that she has a lot going on in her life and, unfortunately, you don't appear to be an overly high priority.
At the top is her mother, then her studies, then her health and mental issues, then you (if you're lucky).
Keep in touch with her but prepare a sensitive, classy exit strategy and hope you two can be an item when she sorts herself out.
Tough call, I know.
 

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I have to second Greasy Pig. This doesn't sound good. I know exactly how it feels to have your heart torn apart by longing for someone who has all these problems. Trust me, man: no good can come of it.

We are hardwired as males to swoop in and protect these vulnerable females. The problem is that these days with rampant feminism, we only see the really troubled women as needing our protection.

I really do know how this feels. I'm just now divorcing a woman with so many issues, but who I loved intensely.

My advice is to take a step back, think logically. This is your life. You're in charge of your destiny and if you pursue a woman with so many problems, your life will be swallowed up by dealing with everything that becomes an issue for her.

Remember that past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior. Things will not change. There will be one more problem bigger than the last. Just when you thought things were getting better, there will be another catastrophe to deal with and your health and your time and energy will be gone. Wasted.

As hard as it is to turn away and move on, that's what I would advise.
 

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Dear Grue,
This love that you speak of is in your mind,a figment of your imagination.......You are lonely and very vulnerable....The gist of your attraction is very nurturing,reads like a Bills and Boon Story...looked at objectively,you are wanting to take into your lifeboat an undersexed Girl with a controlling Mother,her issues with a previous experience have affected her mind....Don't be a fool,if you want to help her,then talk through her problems,but don't get involved,and certainly don't spend hard earned loot chasing her round the World....There are plenty of Women much closer who will put more than enough drama into your life!
 

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This isn't love. What you're feeling is an intense desire. Step back and look at the question objectively.

If you were starving, and presented with something you knew would taste delicious, but give you gastrointestinal problems for weeks, messing with your very livelihood, would you eat it?

Whatever you do with this woman, it won't end well, unless YOU end it. Now.

Listen to the advice of the other posters.

Don't respond with the ever popular yet self deceptive, "Yes, but....."

You've been warned. Get out. Get out now. Find somebody else.

There's plenty out there.
 

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The Glue,

I read your story and feel for you, but honestly, all I see are problems should you continue to trudge down this path.

She is 14 years younger, a med student, exotic I suppose ... I get it. It's flattering!

You really need to think about some very practical things. With the mental health issues, most here would advise you to reduce her to a plate and they would be giving good advise.

Even if this wasn't an obstacle, there is the distance. You're either going to have a very expensive short term relationship, or it's going to quickly turn into some heavy future talk where ultimately, pretty 27 year old will be on your doorstep with 2 suitcases and a life to build (hmmm).

Shes Easter European so make no mistake, at 27, it's baby time.

How much local education will she need in order to practice in your country? In Canada, her med school diploma carries little value without a couple three years of local education.

Don't forget the cultural differences either. They likely are not very apparent now, but they will be (disclaimer: I'm a tad biased here).

Short of the rape thing and the panic attacks, this relationship could be mine which ate 15 years of my life.

You need to use your brain on this decision, the heart should have no vote here!

SH
 

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First of all, I appreciate all the people here who spent time to read such a lengthy post, thanks!

Greasy Pig, Three, Scaramouche, Taiyuu, and Second Half, you all strike at the heart of the issue.

There is the distance, her mother, her mental issues, her studies...there are just too many difficulties and you are all right in waring me away.

I will keep in touch with Maya from time to time, but otherwise distance myself discreetly and date other women. In time, my feelings will subside and I guess she'll just be another online friend.

That is what I like about the Sosuave forum...thoughts may be muddled, you feel confused...but you can count on the brothers here on the forum to set you straight!

Thanks again to all the posters!
 

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You can't fix her, she can only fix herself. If it's worth it wait it out but damn it's a hell of alot easier to just move on.
 
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