Workouts are paying off, Physio isn't

[Desdinova]

I've been working out for the past two or three months, and it's been paying off, and not just in the mirror.

The shipping area at my workplace needed some help the other day. A HB7 courier had come to pick up some 20 metal enclosures, and one of the other guys (who weighs around 90 lbs) was helping her lift them onto the truck. Along I come, grab one of these enclosures (which weighs around 60 lbs) and put it onto the truck without help. I grab another one, and do the same thing. The 90 lb guy, not wanting to look like a wimp, tries to do the same thing as me, and almost gets crushed by the enclosure, LOL!

After we were done, the HB7 turns to me and thanks me for all my help, completely forgetting about the other guy. Hey, I thought it was funny.

For my workouts, I'd love to start doing deads and squats, but my fvcking knee pain hits me so goddam hard. I almost fell over yesterday at work picking up a goddam pencil off the floor because of the pain.

I don't think physiotherapy is helping me, and I think my physiotherapist is gay. He talkths like thiths and probably gets turned on whenever he touches me. Lately, he's been putting this muscle stimulator on my leg, attaching a 5 lb ankle weight, and getting me to do "lifts" for 15 minutes. That's not a fvcking workout, as my quads are already and always have been very muscular.

This physio 5hit is costing me time, money, and I'm not seeing any results. I need something that WORKS.

 

[Skilla_Staz]

What exactly is wrong with your knee?

 

[Desdinova]

Sharp pain bending it within 45 degrees. The physiotherapist figured that much out, but that seems to be it. Other than that, it seems like he's been following a textbook.

"You need to keep your muscles strong to prevent problems".
So why the fvck am I lifting 5 lbs when I can do 70 on my bench while tolerating the pain?

"You need to get more exercise like cycling."
I did a cutting routine twice on my stationary bike, and I cycle to work every day. My bastard knee snaps within the first minute of me being on the bike, and then a rush of pain, then a little bit of irritation and pain.

My gf thinks it has to do with having flat feet, and I'm inclined to believe that more than what my fag physiotherapist says.

 

[Skilla_Staz]

Is the pain just below your knee cap? It may be tendinitis. I've got that...

 

[pooparu]

Actually man, you working out and whatnot may be what's preventing it from healing. Especially the constant pain everytime you get on a bike. it seems like your body isn't able to heal itself properly because of all the activity your leg is getting.

Why not go to a different doctor, maybe they can help you out?

 

[Desdinova]

Actually man, you working out and whatnot may be what's preventing it from healing.

Well, I've had this problem years before I started working out, so I figured it was time to try something different.

Is the pain just below your knee cap? It may be tendinitis.

No, it feels like it's right in the joint. Last time, my physiotherapist moved it around and said,

"You feel that grining?"
"Yeah"
"......"

and he didn't say anything. That doesn't really help me.

 

[Skilla_Staz]

I have grinding in my right knee and the doctor I went to didn't really tell me why.


I don't think they really know lol

 

[manuva]

I've been working out for the past two or three months, and it's been paying off, and not just in the mirror.

The shipping area at my workplace needed some help the other day. A HB7 courier had come to pick up some 20 metal enclosures, and one of the other guys (who weighs around 90 lbs) was helping her lift them onto the truck. Along I come, grab one of these enclosures (which weighs around 60 lbs) and put it onto the truck without help. I grab another one, and do the same thing. The 90 lb guy, not wanting to look like a wimp, tries to do the same thing as me, and almost gets crushed by the enclosure, LOL!

After we were done, the HB7 turns to me and thanks me for all my help, completely forgetting about the other guy. Hey, I thought it was funny.

For my workouts, I'd love to start doing deads and squats, but my fvcking knee pain hits me so goddam hard. I almost fell over yesterday at work picking up a goddam pencil off the floor because of the pain.

I don't think physiotherapy is helping me, and I think my physiotherapist is gay. He talkths like thiths and probably gets turned on whenever he touches me. Lately, he's been putting this muscle stimulator on my leg, attaching a 5 lb ankle weight, and getting me to do "lifts" for 15 minutes. That's not a fvcking workout, as my quads are already and always have been very muscular.

This physio 5hit is costing me time, money, and I'm not seeing any results. I need something that WORKS.

Visit an osteopath.

They're miracle workers. I personally know 3 people who've had to ring a hospital and cancel surgery after visiting an osteopath who fixed them in a single 45 minute session.

They're my first port of call for any physical injuries or pain.

 

[dirtysanchez]

I read a good article last week on t-nation.com about knee pain, rehab exercises and that sort of stuff. You might want to check that out.

 

[speed dawg]

Could be osteo schlater's disease. I have that myself in my right knee. It hurt anytime I knelt down, lifted weights, jogged, sprinted, sat at my desk with my knees bent, etc. What happens is your patella tendon pulls some little bone fragments away from the big bone in your lower leg (calf region). It's not your kneecap. To take the fragments out, they'd have to split the patella tendon to get in there to get it, and it's only a 60% success rate. My doc told me I should live with it rather than perform surgery. He sent me to therapy (like you) using ultrasound and it didn't work, then he injected me with some novacaine and it did the trick. I still feel it sometimes, but the pain is gone, however, I still don't do squats or heavy leg presses anymore, as to not irritate it. It's a matter of getting the swelling down. It actually sounds like that may be your problem.

 

[Desdinova]

He sent me to therapy (like you) using ultrasound and it didn't work

That fvcking ultrasound machine made my knee hurt like a b1tch.

Could be osteo schlater's disease.

The question is, how can I get this verified? Visiting an osteopath? I remembered how fvcking happy I was when I found out that I had PTSD. Just knowing the problem or the name of the problem is good enough therapy for me.

 

[speed dawg]

The question is, how can I get this verified? Visiting an osteopath? I remembered how fvcking happy I was when I found out that I had PTSD. Just knowing the problem or the name of the problem is good enough therapy for me.

You have to go to an orthopaedic surgeon and get an x-ray, usually covered by insurance. Actually, I don't have osteoschlaters, quote on quote, but I have what OS can do to you, most likely from years of kicking footballs. OS is more common in teenagers while in growing pains.

 

[Un-Aru]

If there's one thing I know inside out, back to front, it's injuries. First up, your physio from the brief overview you've given doesn't know s**t.

"You need to keep your muscles strong to prevent problems".
So why the fvck am I lifting 5 lbs when I can do 70 on my bench while tolerating the pain?

"You need to get more exercise like cycling."
I did a cutting routine twice on my stationary bike, and I cycle to work every day. My bastard knee snaps within the first minute of me being on the bike, and then a rush of pain, then a little bit of irritation and pain.

Wrong, wrong, f**king wrong. Strength is important, yes, but in someone who's obviously already strong and has good muscle tone it doesn't mean a damn thing. FUNCTION is what counts. One thing people forget when overcoming long-term injuries is not only getting the STRENGTH back in the surrounding muscles, but the FUNCTION as well. Over time the body adapts to an injury by getting the muscles to fire in patterns that aggravate the injury less, and the body tells itself that this is now 'normal.' So what happens when you start to strengthen the muscles? They continue to fire in the abnormal pattern your body is now used to. An imbalance is created and you start to get patella tendonitis and other such injuries/syndromes, and the rehab cycle starts again.

Remember, if theres an inordinate amount of pain during an exercise the muscle that's bearing the brunt of it has a tendency to 'switch off.' This leaves supporting muscles to take over and as they get stronger over time, the muscle that switches off gets weaker (cos it's not being used) causing a greater imbalance and causing more problems. You see this a lot with 'patella tendonitis' where the vastus medialis (teardrop muscle in your thigh) is much weaker than the lateralis (big meaty outside part of your thigh) This imbalance causes the kneecap to be dragged off centre and causes a hell of a lot of pain.

No, it feels like it's right in the joint. Last time, my physiotherapist moved it around and said,

"You feel that grining?"
"Yeah"
"......"

and he didn't say anything. That doesn't really help me.

plus...

Sharp pain bending it within 45 degrees. The physiotherapist figured that much out, but that seems to be it. Other than that, it seems like he's been following a textbook.

equals damage to the knee structure itself. Speed Dawg is on the money, if you've got good insurance a GOOD orthapedic surgeon (preferably one who specialises in sporting injuries) is the way to go. (though in my opinion they jump a bit too readily at the chance to pick up a knife) But forget the X-Ray, go for an MRI scan, which the surgeon will likely suggest anyway.

And again Speed Dawg is on the money in regards to your exercising preventing recovery. All you're doing is aggravating the injury. It's damn hard I know, but think long-term. Simple rule, if it's painful to do (and I'm talking sharp pain here) then you shouldn't be doing it...