"Women Today think the Universe revolves around them.."

[Solomon]

I know what you your thinking "not another entitlement" thread, however I wanted this to be a bit different after reading this disturbing article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...nflated-sense-fabulousness.html#ixzz11dO8lLaY
(its long but worth the read) here's an excerpt

One of the cases that brought it home to me involved a 38-year-old businesswoman.

'I knew there were going to be problems right away. As soon as someone joins the agency, we get things moving very quickly - but this wasn't quick enough for this woman.

'She wanted a date immediately. The first man I sent her profile to declined an introduction and she was extremely cross. She couldn't accept it and she couldn't even be polite about it.

'In three weeks, three men turned her down. I explained that it takes time to meet someone but she just got angrier and angrier. She was demanding to know why these guys did this. I was trying to get the balance right - between being honest with her and being tactful.

'I think, ultimately, she had a very flawed perception of herself. And she almost couldn't bear that it was being challenged. It was as if she couldn't deal with the fact that some guys didn't think she was amazing - and she left.'

Men, traditionally regarded as the more self-centred of the species and the rogues of the mating game, are left scratching their heads and pondering Freud's famous question: what do women want?

David Baxter (not his real name) is a 40-year-old management consultant. Previously married for nine years, he joined a dating agency in the summer.

He says he's not perfect, but is told he's an eligible and pleasant guy with a lot to offer.

'I've had three successive dates recently with ladies in the late 30s to early 40s age bracket that have left me dumbfounded,' he said.

'I've never come across such massive egos, such arrogance and lack of basic courtesy.

'It was as if these particular dates were a forum for them to tell me how exceptional they were. One told me repeatedly how many young guys at the gym asked her out; another was very artificial.

'You sensed that they absolutely worshipped themselves, though none of them was drop-dead gorgeous or had amazing personalities, jobs or anything else to set them apart and elevate themselves into some superior position.

'I also thought it was quite telling that none of them had ever been married, engaged or had recently - or perhaps ever - been in a long-term relationship.

'I got the feeling that these women were living in a Sex And The City-inspired fantasy world. I also sensed that nobody would ever be good enough for them.

'They seem to be looking for something that doesn't exist: Mr Perfect, or perhaps some larger-than-life, dashingly handsome and unattainable character such as that portrayed by Mr Big. Nothing else will do.'

and I was wondering what are some solutions to this issue for the future Don Juan? (besides moving to another country Big Jimbo style )

Is game effective against these type women if you aren't higher value then them?

What has your experience been with these types of women?

I'll post my theories and experiences later, I figure some of the older heads have more experiences with these women then I do (I hope)

 

[Kailex]

Why would I want to game women like this?

I know it sounds like a smart-a$$ answer, but honestly, if I go out on a first date with these women (assuming I'd use a dating service like this) and throughout the course of the first date... (let's say out for a drink)... I noticed all of those attributes that the "pleasant man" noticed... I would just simply get up halfway through and leave.

I wouldn't want to try to UP my game for them.

He said it himself, they weren't THAT attractive, so there really is no point to try to DHV myself in front of them. It's a lost cause.

If I take time out of my schedule to take someone out and try to get to know them better but within the first hour I can tell they are egotistical, self-serving and blatantly emotionally damaged women, you can bet your a$$ that I'll be looking up directions to the closest sports bar from wherever I am or texting someone else in my rotation.

My experience is: I don't put up with it, I leave.

 

[Boilermaker]

there are far too many women out there, and I have a hope that even in the US; there are women who are -at least- willing to challenge their mutated and aggressive views on men, and become more feminine.

It seems that Western culture has brought it to a point that merely carrying a puss.y makes women eligible to the attention of best of men.

It is just sad.

But a DJ has a guy who has options right?, so no worries.

 

[squirrels]

What is that, from a dating service?

Once people hit a certain age, they should honestly go into every date asking themselves the question, "Why is this person still single?"

I get asked it outright by women all the time. Being 31, relatively well-off, and (false modesty aside) pretty darned good-looking, they're all inclined to ask that question.

But when more MEN don't ask this question of WOMEN, it blows my mind.

Sometimes it's just that they haven't found anyone who interests them enough to give up the adventure of the single life.

More often than not, there's more to it than that.

If you don't proceed from the assumption that having a va-jay-jay makes her awesome, you will generally be able to spot stuff like this in a woman very early and evade the situation.

These women...will likely never learn, because there will always be a rich chump somewhere who will snatch her up and validate her opinion. But that's not OUR problem as "enlightened men", because we don't WANT to be that guy. You're doing yourself a favor by recognizing these defects in women early.

Don't ever be embarassed to be choosy about who you date and who you get into "relationships" with.

And don't fall for shaming tactics used by inferior women to ensnare men.

 

[f283000]

and I was wondering what are some solutions to this issue for the future Don Juan? (besides moving to another country Big Jimbo style )

Simple actually. It revolves around having a player mentality.

A player sees women for what they are good for which is sex. An AFC on the other hand thinks women are precious angels that are pure, who's farts smell like roses, can do no wrong, wants to fall in love, and hopes to one day marry one of these women who come from countries where the divorce rate is sky high (proving they don't make good wives and only an idiot would marry one).

Stop taking all these spoiled women seriously and use them for what they were created which is sex. Have fun, play the game and don't take them too seriously. Taking a woman seriously is falling in love with one.

Is game effective against these type women if you aren't higher value then them?

You got the wrong mentality and this right here is not true.

A guy with good game can set himself apart and make himself more valuable than any woman. Doesn't matter if she is an executive that drives a porshe who happens to be an hb9.

You got guys that are broke and got sugar mamas and women with high paying jobs and the got these women wrapped around their finger.

I see cases of douchebags going out with hot professional women all the time. It's fairly common. These guys know how to bring women's perceived value down. In her eyes he's got the value that's why she's with him and it doesn't matter if she makes 6 figures and he's broke or not.

Value is determined by who's got the power in a relationship.

What has your experience been with these types of women?

Like I said don't take women seriously. Taking a woman seriously is falling in love/proposing marriage to her. You should focus on having fun, trying to bed these women but never marry them or let yourself fall in love.

If you want to find a good wife then go somewhere where Jimbo advocates but for now just have fun playing the game.

 

[teacha]

and I was wondering what are some solutions to this issue for the future Don Juan? (besides moving to another country Big Jimbo style )

Is game effective against these type women if you aren't higher value then them?

these type of women are really easy to get with....

- always believe you are the prize to be won (pook).
- go into full asshole/douchebag mode. (if you not one already)
- don't let anything she does/say phase you, always keep your eye on the prize.
- be emotionless.
- be dominant.
- be excellent in bed.
- like f28300 said...don't take her seriously.
- always be irrationally confident.
- learn to control your sexual urges.

....rinse and repeat.

 

[Boilermaker]

these type of women are really easy to get with....

- always believe you are the prize to be won (pook).
- go into full asshole/douchebag mode. (if you not one already)
- don't let anything she does/say phase you, always keep your eye on the prize.
- be emotionless.
- be dominant.
- be excellent in bed.
- like f28300 said...don't take her seriously.
- always be irrationally confident.
- learn to control your sexual urges.

....rinse and repeat.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Read it until you memorize it, fellow DJ's

 

[hithard]

I am seeing a growing trend in my area with women in which they are beginning to excel in all areas. In education, workplace, health and fitness hell even in my sons boxing class the girls are outdoing the boys in enthusiasm and drive. I am seeing a big rise in housewives trimming their bodies this summer like never before. It's like watching the growth of ego
On the other hand I am watching the masses of guys sliding backwards. Less educated, less drive, less work ethic. In fact their mentality is now expecting something for nothing. And when it comes to pu$$y. Oh how they worship that.
Good on them, shame on us.
Lets face it women are becoming the new men.

How does it all affect us on SS?
Well not a lot. It's basically sticking to the same DJ principles. But LTR dynamics are changing now and more so in the future.
Most of these articles don't mean a lot to us, attraction is the same old, same old

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear Solomen,
Such a good post.....One Women of my acquaintence went along to a Dating Agency with her Laundry list,they told her they couldn't do anything for her,as the Man she wanted didn't exist.....this Woman is a 6 at best was seen out dating on one occasion,wearing Sandals,White Socks and sporting a Pink Patent Leather Backpack.

 

[jophil28]

this Woman is a 6 at best was seen out dating on one occasion,wearing Sandals,White Socks and sporting a Pink Patent Leather Backpack.

Nice....does she have a sister for me?

 

[hithard]

Nice....does she have a sister for me?

Don't those types live and breed up on the gold coast
How you doing with those schoolies tearing up your area

 

[jophil28]

Don't those types live and breed up on the gold coast
How you doing with those schoolies tearing up your area

Geez, I hang out at Jupiters for the next two weeks because the brats are barred there.

 

[cedd]

never be impressed with such women. I dated some of them years ago and I always succeed by playing the one who doesn't give a fvck about what she's got (nice body or whatever) or she could have.
The ones who brag they have all men hitting on them are just wanting some ego boost from your part. it "smells" insecurity miles arournd. Dont give them that gift and youre on.
Only ONS for sure.

cheers

 

[Zarky]

Seems like this is a problem that will solve itself. These women will be single forever. They soon bow out from the dating pool.

I think, ultimately, she had a very flawed perception of herself.

Ultimately, everyone does until it's modified by the realities of the dating world. Those with massive but fragile egos, both man and woman, cannot deal with the dating world because the image of themselves it reflects back is not "10" but maybe "6" or "5" or perhaps even lower.

However, any man who's done much dating can sniff these women out from 40 paces away. They will be single forever or until they lower their standards.. either way it's not your problem.

These are women who look in the mirror and see a Ferrari when the rest of the world sees a used Sentra. They want $125,000 when nobody will pay more than $1200. They will not be sold, ever. And the extra-sad part is that their objective worth declines with every passing day, so they would have to keep dropping their asking price.

This is why I don't date women who are new on the dating scene. They all have delusions of grandeur. Some will lower their expectations, some will drop out and remain single forever. You want to find the ones with realistic expectations.

 

[f283000]

However, any man who's done much dating can sniff these women out from 40 paces away. They will be single forever or until they lower their standards.. either way it's not your problem.

I disagree. Even a fat woman with a profile that screams conceited will have a full inbox not long after joining a dating site.

For every woman as much as a B|tch that she may be there's a whole group of hopeless afc's willing to overlook any or all her flaws just to get at her.

You may think these women may have no hope but sooner or later they will end up settling down with a nice guy who's life they will make miserable.

It doesn't matter how a woman looks now a days or how much of an ego maniac she may be. They all have plenty of pursuers to stroke their ego. For some reason in the west it feels as if the ratio of men to women was 10 to 1 even though it's not so. The value of pu$$y in the west is way way wayyyy overinflated which is not justified by the men to women ratio here which are normal.

I do agree with you that it's not our problem. We just need to have set standards for ourselves to not let ourselves get involved with such women even if they look good. We need to think with our brains not with our...

 

[omkara]

If we say that these women are undatable, then it reduces the ratio of eligible women--therefore increasing competition and demand for them. So if something like 50% of women become infected with this ego epidemic, then yes it becomes a problem.

Like the guy said in the article, most women aren't satisfied with just a nice decent guy anymore, or even an above average guy. In a lot of cases it leads to girls not responding after a first date, because they didn't feel a "spark." As an average guy, I deal with this all the time. I'm sure there are women who are ok with being with average guys, but they are more likely to be in relationships.

 

[synergy1]

I don't want to repeat what has been said and what I agree with, but to restate the following question is crucial:

Why should you deal with these kinds of women?

By dealing with them and conversing with this behavior, we enable it. Its as f283 said, the value of women is so high that they know this and leverage this by enlisting impossible standards for their potential suitors. If guys had an incling of self respect, they would just move on. In many cases, they have but it won't make up for the chodes who stand in line waiting for their crack at these women. However at this point, the chick in question has already accepted she can't get the personality type she wants and will probably be equally 'awed' by money.

If we say that these women are undatable, then it reduces the ratio of eligible women--therefore increasing competition and demand for them. So if something like 50% of women become infected with this ego epidemic, then yes it becomes a problem.

interesting dynamic that makes perfect sense. However, what if it became an incentive somehow that desirable women ( normal personalities, attractive etc) to be the norm to strive for...could this dynamic play out in this manner?

Just a change of topics, but does anyone see the irony of artificially increasing their net worth via game in order to attract women? To me that seems to be similar to women who aren't intrinsically worth much acting as if they were. This question is more for the 'game rules all' folk as opposed to the folks who advocate for real life improvements.

 

[Zarky]

Does anybody propose anything other than just sitting around and whining? I tend to see the marriage market as something that will figure itself out. I don't have trouble dating women. Yes there are some prima donnas out there, but they're usually not in the dating pool, or if they are I can sniff them out from 40 yards. And there are lots of gay men and total shmucks who aren't in the dating pool either, so the ratios are roughly the same.

I hate these "let's all b|tch and whine together and never come up with any solutions" threads. They are utterly pointless, completely unmanly, and my sig usually holds true: the guys who are complaining are not the guys who are getting out there and making p*ssy happen for them.

 

[Slickster]

I got the feeling that these women were living in a Sex And The City-inspired fantasy world.

Just like in the TV show these women will be aging cougars, still single, and wondering where they went wrong? Hahaha

 

[omkara]

I hate these "let's all b|tch and whine together and never come up with any solutions" threads.

Then why do you post on them? Whenever someone tries to respond to your arguments, you get all pissy and start attacking everyone. Why don't you show some integrity and don't post on these threads if you don't like them? So far you have posted twice on this thread.

Framing an intellectual discussion about current societal conditions as whining is super negative and unnecessary. There's nothing wrong with some guys getting together and comparing notes about their experiences. It's stupid to assume that because we are comparing notes that we are not proactively working on improving our dating lives. But that's just about what I would expect from a lawyer douchebag--all sophistry and no real insight. The only reason why you don't care about other people's troubles is because YOU are doing fine. That shows a total lack of character on your part.