Women make me feel empty inside.

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I’m submitting this to the Mature forum because of my age, I won’t be offended if it needs to be moved though.

This is one part rant, and one part progress report. I’m trying to say away from the “boo-hoo” angle, so try and ignore that if I do it…

Today I found out what my problem is when it comes to women. Well, it didn’t come as some sudden revelation; it just all seemed to come together for me today. In the past I’ve said “women make me feel empty inside,” and now I know why.

Today I realized that I am invisible to women.

Now don’t get me wrong, this isn’t going to be some typical “I was nice to her” post. See, I was at work today when it hit me what was going on and it was with the help of the only other male co-worker I have. He didn’t realize he helped me, in fact he wasn’t even trying; his help was actually accidental.

Here are two important things to know about my job: 1.) I work with all women except for that other guy, and 2.) the public comes in all day and we have to interact with them.

Zach (the other guy) and I will hang together and work together because we are the only two males. We also talk about guy stuff and get along pretty well, so I like the guy and don’t have any grudge against him or anything. I feel I needed to say that for what’s coming next.

Two things happened with the public today that has happened plenty of other times, but for some reason it finally registered with me. The first thing that happened (and it’s happened plenty of times before) is that an attractive girl walks in and needs help. Zach and I are standing together talking, and I’m closer to the door; we both turn and look as the girl walks in. She looks at me, right in the eyes, I smile and am about to greet her when she walks right past me to make moony eyes at Zach and ask for his help instead.

While the other guy I work with can be considered attractive, he’s not super hot. In fact the women I work with, whom are very open about their sexuality, think he’s “all right” but not “hot.”

Now I’m sure you can say that there are plenty of little reasons why the girl would pick him over me that doesn’t reflect badly on me. However, this has happened WAY too many times for it to be some random thing; this has become a daily occurrence.

Moving on, the second thing that happened was that Zach got caught checking out a different cutie that waked in. One of my female co-workers called him on it, just like she has called me on it in the past. The girl overheard and did something that NO girl has EVER done when I was caught. She turned red, giggled and got a big smile on her face. I have either gotten no reaction from chicks or I would get a dirty look.

Please understand that it wasn’t JUST these two things, or just these two times that have made me believe I’m invisible / undesirable. There are plenty of other things that have happened that would take far too long to go into.

Mind you, the examples I’m giving have one thing in common: there was no chance for any “personality” to come out. The first girl’s choice and the second’s reaction were both made with no context to any kind of prior social interaction. Zach and I both dress about the same because of the dress code, so I know it’s not because I’m some kind of slob.

I can only conclude, therefore, that I must be ugly to women. Please don’t take this as some kind of self-loathing or depression induced “the world sucks” mentality. It would appear this is a statement of fact, in the same way that saying “the sky is blue” or “grass is green” is a factual statement about the world around us.

Due to other concerns I have been going to a gym regularly for the last two months. In fact I see my nutritionist tomorrow for a progress update. I have to wonder if things will change when I finally reach my goals. I wonder if in four to six more months if I’ll get different reactions from women. If I don’t, well… then that’ll be it. I don’t think I’d have the motivation to go on. (To go on with the pursuing women thing, just to be clear :))

I’m sure I’m not the only one who’s felt this, and I’m writing this in part to see who else is out there and knows what I’m talking about. I’m also writing this as a sort of prelude to my own progress reports. If I force myself to set goals and report my progress here, then I’ll be more motivated to try, and at least I’ll know how close I am to achieving my goals.

I know that I need to focus on the solution and not the problem, what scares me is that I fear this may be one of those problems that doesn’t actually have a solution. Or its solution may be a very ugly one. I know I’m not invisible to ALL women; the ones who “can see me” are women who look like men, or chicks who like to cut themselves or some such; but who really wants to date from that pool as a solution?
 

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OUCH... this is some bad depressing **** full of jealousy, self doubts and even self hate.
You wrote:
In the past I’ve said “women make me feel empty inside,”

that have made me believe I’m invisible / undesirable.


Dude you need a set of balls and a strong frame of mind! No woman can you make me feel anything that you choose not to feel. You understand? If you feel ugly around her, she doesn't cause it, the cause is inside you!

You wrote:
Zach and I are standing together talking, and I’m closer to the door; we both turn and look as the girl walks in. She looks at me, right in the eyes, I smile and am about to greet her when she walks right past me to make moony eyes at Zach and ask for his help instead
Ever thought about what life would be like if you actually approached the chick, took charge of convo and hopefully be a little interesting? You have EC and all you have to do is speak up, but you stand there like a gawking fool and then you wonder why she feels repulsed by your sex desire, as you are so ashamed of it yourself! It's interesting, look:

You wrote:
The girl overheard and did something that NO girl has EVER done when I was caught. She turned red, giggled and got a big smile on her face. I have either gotten no reaction from chicks or I would get a dirty look.
Note that you were CAUGHT looking, so it means you were doing something you shouldn't have been! Looking at a chick is a form of sexual communication, if you weren't ashamed of it you would have waited for her to ACKNOWLEDGE it, not somethign you get caught doing. Now what does that say to her about how good you can fck her if you don't even have balls to LOOK at her.

Also advice on your gym... do it because you love it and the feeling that you have after it. If you do it becuause you think it'll get you laid someday, you will only be into it for a couple of months and then stop and then in a year go back to being ur fatass self.

I'm sorry that I don't like you, but you don't even like yourself.
 

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I'm going to take a less harsh approach here because i used to feel completely sexually invisible to women (and avoided by all but the nutcases) too.

I can't speak for you, only for me. the reasons that I felt this way were many, and boiled down to the fact that I was ashamed of myself. I was ashamed of being an adult, sexual man, and so did everything I could to diminish myself by being 'nice', friendly, unthreatening. In essence, I hid my sexuality behind a mask of niceness to a point where I didn't feel I had a personality other than the different acts I put on with different people. Looking at women was 'wrong', wanting to f*ck women was 'wrong', being sexy was 'wrong'.

In themselves, being friendly and unthreatening are not bad things, and it is possible to be both and to be sexy too. I did not know this. I do now.

The reason I was sexually invisible to women, was that I was keeping myself a boy when I was actually a man.

I don't know if this helps you, I realise I'm not being very specific, but it's a very personal thing and you are different to me. I guess the only actual advice I can give is to find your own way to growing yourself up into the man that you are.

I've not said anything about your 'ugly' self-judgments because sexy has nothing to do with looks, and everything to do with self-image.
 

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When you talk about going to the gym, or doing whatever, you should be doing these activities so you feel self-fulfilment, and good. Only when you feel good with yourself by yourself will you probably have a better chance of not being so 'invisible.' Is your friend more approachable and easy going? Maybe you're uptight and think of yourself as ugly....women can read that easily!
 

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One question: Do you wear glasses and Zach does not?

I am amazed at the positive reaction I get from women, all sorts of women, when I am not wearing my glasses (or wearing cool sunglasses) versus regular glasses.

Just a thought.. seems women are very sensitive to glasses, although some do like men with glasses...

Dietzcoi
 

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It's easy to look at situations and say that someone else is getting the best of it - like now.

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence etc.

We all give off energy and a vibe. People pick up on this energy that we give off. I think you need to take a look at yourself - how you hold yourself, whether you feel less of a person, or self conscious about something perhaps?

Any of these things can lead to you holding yourself in different way. We communicate via body language.

You've got to look within yourself and figure out what your problem is - my feeling is that it is more pshycological that anything else.

Also when those cuties come into the office for help - don't sit there looking, waiting for them to approach you. This is your job. It's a great chance to meet and talk to cute chicks. So put a spring in your step, a smile on your face and APPROACH them - EC and a confident "Hello" will do wonders for you.
 

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I don't know if this helps you, but when I'm out buying stuff, and there are two salespeople, and one is smiling and full of energy and the other one is just minding his own business I'll go to the second one. To me, smiling energetic sales people just seem like they wanna pressure you into a sale from the second I enter the store. I miss the days when sales people didn't say hi or even acknowledged your existance.

Watch Glengary and Glenn Ross, and compare Jack Lemon's style of selling to Al Pacino's style.

Back to the original topic. Your problem is that you are waiting for the girl to give you a green light before going in for the close. Return of eyecontact, a smile, whatever. Don't get me wrong, it's perfect if you get an indicator of interest (makes the whole thing easier), but you can still close without it. I never wait for any of those. Just go in, make the introduction, start the convo, get to know her, and since she will most likely be nervous at first, make her comfortable, then close. That's all there is to it.
 
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Women make me feel empty inside.

Yeah me too. After I have emptied all of my goo 3 or 4 times into various holes on their person, I feel real empty inside too pal. Next time I plan to just wack off into their pocket books after I empty them...fawk that shyt.


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Originally posted by ShortTimer
...Today I realized that I am invisible to women.....
lol, my buddy was saying the same thing to me recently... that we have become invisible to women due to our age.... bummer dude. Oh well, as I see it we have 2 choices:
1) cry about it and mope around for the rest of our lives
2) or say Fvck it, and enjoy the hell out of life.

I just don't see any point in number 1 so choice number 2 is for me.


...I can only conclude, therefore, that I must be ugly to women...Due to other concerns I have been going to a gym regularly for the last two months. In fact I see my nutritionist tomorrow for a progress update. I have to wonder if things will change when I finally reach my goals. I wonder if in four to six more months if I’ll get different reactions from women. If I don’t, well… then that’ll be it. I don’t think I’d have the motivation to go on. (To go on with the pursuing women thing, just to be clear :))
going to the gym and taking care of yourself is a good thing, but you'll probably get more reaction from the changed attitude about yourself than the improved looks. But by all means, continue to hit the gym, and stop the negativity.
 

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Re: Re: Women make me feel empty inside.

Originally posted by Crank_It_Up
stop the negativity.
Amen, brother!

Misery loves company.

The more miserable negative peeps post around here, the more it will bring other negative peeps out of the woodwork to comiserate.
 

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Man once at a party a buddy and I were talking this girl comes up in between us she starts talking to him and ignores me.
Another girl would literally say hello to everyone at the table except me. I have started talking to girls and been completely ignored. All these things have happened within the last year or so.
Laugh it off and not take it personally if you let it get to you then you will create a self fulfilling prophecy.
Tell yourself that you are going to smile and be upbeat no matter what happens today. On days when I am particularl upbeat I have been approached by the hottest girl in the club(really one went on to win the hot body contest later that night). Had a hot girl trying to get me to pay attention to her for about 1 hour and had a really hot girl for my gf for most of the last 2 years.
It really is all about attitude my friend.
 

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Shorttimer, your in the DC area right? I just moved here man if you want to go clubbing or whatever send me a pm.
 

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He'll be alright. We have moderators and if it gets too negative in here, they can just bounce them out.

Or here's another suggestion: You don't have to read it, just go to another thread.

He's asking for advice and venting, so what? Some may want to read it, others not.

What's really tiring is the guys acting like moderators who aren't moderators. One can't even give a field report or a semi-field report without being called out, yelled at, given "expert advice" (never take advice from long-time marrieds who haven't been out on the frontlines in years), and so forth.

If someone wants to post a field report, let them. If someone wants to vent, let them.
 

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Westcoaster, who are you talking to here?
 

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I knew that but I am still confused what you are saying. Maybe Er!c was a little off point but the whole stop the negativity point is still valid.
 

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Brad Pitt

Short Timer,

It is all in the mind, pal.

Go to Block-Buster and rent every fvcking Brad Pitt movie they have in house.

Then study how he handles women until you look, feel, walk, talk, smile and s*hit like him.

Quit being short timer and become fvcking BRAD PITT.

If you can do this you will be beating the s0n-0f-b*tches off with a stick.

It is all about the following:

confidence
smile
power
money
Guitars and Cadillacs

There are great things in store for you.

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You should be approaching women of your choosing and not waiting for women to come to you! How many have you approached? From your writings I take it you are overweight?

Find your strengths and project these traits to women!
 

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I keep meaning to give a longer reply to this thread I started, but every time I come up with something I'm finding I'm not saying what I really want to. So I'll keep working on that, in the mean time...

Originally posted by PuertoRican_Lover
You should be approaching women of your choosing and not waiting for women to come to you! How many have you approached?
I do, and I have. The amount fluctuates depending on many factors. Sometimes it's one chick a month, sometimes I've gone after three or four in as many days. I realize that may not be a high enough volume but I make due with what I can.

Originally posted by PuertoRican_Lover
From your writings I take it you are overweight?
Yes I am overweight. I can, and do every day in fact, run a mile and a half; so my weight problem isn't totally out of control. As I said in my original post, other factors (besides women) have drivin me to a regular gym program so I can meet some goals I have for my personal career.
 
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