Women Have ZERO Loyalty

[AJ84]

It's supposed to be this. It's what nature intended. Women must adhere and follow the imperative.

The consequences of failing this will have far ranging effects throughout humanity if women by and large ignores the imperative.

The feminine imperative is perfectly suited for women.

I don’t mean blindly accepting any guy to have kids with because yes, the consequences of failing (choosing the wrong man) will have far ranging effects.
I mean seeing him as a project to mold into what she wants him to be, rather than making a decision to settle down/ not settle down with him based on who he already is.
It’s like that saying, a man marries a woman hoping she won’t change and a woman marries a man hoping he will. This is common for women and takes effort and insight to break out of that kind of thinking.

 

[corrector]

Cost of living is sky high that’s true. Men being expected to provide is a dying tradition in mainstream Canadian culture.

I agree with the part that cost of living is sky high....and that's a point that I have to focus on because this board is covers many countries around the world so when you take a place like Toronto and intend to use this city as an example for anything, people have to know the facts about here. I am not sure if the cost of living is also high in many areas in the U.S. or even this country, but in this city its high. Also if you google search or look at ratings for the WORST cities as far guys to meet women, then Toronto would rank somewhere on that list.

My last marriage was atomized because I could not provide for my ex-wife (which she knew upfront before we got married). If providing was not an issue then I would not have been divorced in the past. I simply don't see a reality of what you are saying "dying tradition" as something that exists. It's a natural expectation and it's embedded in the D.N.A. and things like that simply don't die, just like some of the more uglier aspects in society, such as racism, that we thought died off with Obama. You are just in a progressive environment (i.e. University) and have a bubble.

College students are living at home or with four or five roommates, partying and backpacking etc

Of course because the cost of finding a place is too expensive.

Sorry but this notion of all college aged men wanting to settle down is not accurate.

Nobody said "all" of anything. That's always going to be a losing argument. Usually it's "most, or "some".

 

[corrector]

For the bottom 70% or so of men it's horrific if single later in life. 2-3 girlfriends lifetime, mistreated, used. Brutal. I roll with men of all SMVs and I really have a lot of compassion for them because no one gives them guidance.

What guidance would be helpful?

 

[alx]

What is it that pulls these women to you? Is it literally just pecs and a good haircut? At what point does a haircut make one man better than all the other men? Women are ridiculous.

 

[Spaz]

I mean seeing him as a project to mold into what she wants him to be.

It’s like that saying, a man marries a woman hoping she won’t change and a woman marries a man hoping he will.

I deleted some sentences in ur post to highlight what I meant.

It is supposed to be this.

She sees the potential, the ambition, etc and she encourages him along down that path. It only becomes a problem when the man doesn't see it that way or when he fakes who he says he is.

It's all tied with the needs of the imperative.

Do not fight the imperative.

However stand by ur man when he fails in his attempts, it's not his successes that defines him, it's how he gets up each time he falls, tries again repeatedly and never gives up - know that a man such as this has deep loyalties.

A woman and her offspring's will benefit greatly by having such a man.

And this is what women must learn to appreciate.

 

[corrector]

This site is helpful

Of course, if you already have a minimal LMS to start with and are interacting with women in the first place. Then again, people who actually do have this, like bigdave and richardthefrog, among others, are not finding their lots has improved hanging out in this board.

 

[AJ84]

I deleted some sentences in ur post to highlight what I meant.

It is supposed to be this.

She sees the potential, the ambition, etc and she encourages him along down that path. It only becomes a problem when the man doesn't see it that way or when he fakes who he says he is.

It's all tied with the needs of the imperative.

Do not fight the imperative.

However stand by ur man when he fails in his attempts, it's not his successes that defines him, it's how he gets up each time he falls, tries again repeatedly and never gives up - know that a man such as this has deep loyalties.

A woman and her offspring's will benefit greatly by having such a man.

And this is what women must learn to appreciate.

That’s very good advice Spaz. Standing by someone who is making an effort and gets up after they fall is something that should be a goal for any couple who are committed to each other. And it goes both ways.

It’s one thing to meet a guy who is, say, in med school, has his sh*t together, has a stable family life and is responsible with his money and respects himself as a man and is a decent human being. You can see that his trajectory is good and chances are he would be a decent partner.


What I mean is women who project their expectations of an ideal man, on whatever man they have chosen to settle down with despite whether or not that man will ever be the man she wants him to be. She wants to mold him into that man. It’s. It’s not just men who try to mold their partners.

So the guy who works as a bartender and he loves his job and is good at it, and makes excellent tips but, his gf is nagging at him to go back to school and get an MBA so he can run his own bar.

That kind of thing.

You stated yourself that part of the feminine imperative is to make men be what women want them to be. And many women tend to do that, and I don’t think that’s always a good idea.

I personally think that trying to change a man is like cutting off his balls. I think it attacks his masculinity and sense of self because she is basically trying to fix him, which means she sees him as broken.

 

[flowtheory]

Didn’t even read the first message. But this is the stupidest thread and a really sad outlook to have on women. They probably won’t be loyal to you because you already view them the way you do. Many men out their are disloyal also. Knife cuts both ways.

 

[lizardking82]

Fair enough. Unfortunately it's (lately) mostly the lunatic posters that think they have the capability/capacity to dole out 'sound' advice.

Where you been lately anyways?!

I've been working hard, creating contacts, spinning women and having a good, busy time in general.

But I see we got some fancy things going on here LOL

 

[sazc]

I've been working hard, creating contacts, spinning women and having a good, busy time in general.

But I see we got some fancy things going on here LOL

Yes, you are missed. Good your are doing well.

 

[Sunnypoo]

New to this site. I read this and had to respond from my own personal experience relative to women and loyalty.

I've been around awhile and have the good fortune of having been exposed to all sorts of female behaviors and I have compared female loyalty to an old adage concerning locks - "locks keep honest people honest".

It is possible to find a good woman who can be loyal....however, I have found that one must possess the ability to have the "threat" of another woman in the background early in the developmental stages of the relationship. This is guaranteed to keep an honest girl loyal as she will always carry with her in the back of her mind that she can be replaced. With all of that being said I also have to say that I am a manly man type, confident and possessing of a good personality so these also go along way to solidify the thought of being easily replaced.

I am currently with a high value loyal woman and have found the higher the value, the lesser the need to threat. So far so good.

 

[Spaz]

That’s very good advice Spaz. Standing by someone who is making an effort and gets up after they fall is something that should be a goal for any couple who are committed to each other. And it goes both ways.

It’s one thing to meet a guy who is, say, in med school, has his sh*t together, has a stable family life and is responsible with his money and respects himself as a man and is a decent human being. You can see that his trajectory is good and chances are he would be a decent partner.


What I mean is women who project their expectations of an ideal man, on whatever man they have chosen to settle down with despite whether or not that man will ever be the man she wants him to be. She wants to mold him into that man. It’s. It’s not just men who try to mold their partners.

So the guy who works as a bartender and he loves his job and is good at it, and makes excellent tips but, his gf is nagging at him to go back to school and get an MBA so he can run his own bar.

That kind of thing.

You stated yourself that part of the feminine imperative is to make men be what women want them to be. And many women tend to do that, and I don’t think that’s always a good idea.

I personally think that trying to change a man is like cutting off his balls. I think it attacks his masculinity and sense of self because she is basically trying to fix him, which means she sees him as broken.

All women sees men as little innocent boys who needs molding.

Even my mother continues to fuss over me and my dad smiles at her attempts for he knows his son well - proudly tells his friends that I'm a fvcker as his father and his father before him.

Yes I listen to her (respect) but I am my own man with my own set of principles backed up by a strong masculine core values rooted by tribal warrior/hunter traditions. The current values/principles I have is basically to tame my core values - it's too aggressive for modern society.

As such it's not an issue when a women tries to mold me. It never is because I know exactly what I am and what I'm capable of.

I've already talked abt values/principles that a man should acquire to rule his actions.

I've also already talked abt core values - programming received during childhood.

Women can and has plenty of time to reduce man's principles/values, chip it off slowly. Given enough time it will expose a man to his core values.

You see, if a man's core values is manly, there can't be any emasculation. It's already embedded deep within him. It cannot be chipped away - it is forever.

However if a man's core values has been embedded with the feminine imperatives then in all likelihood he will be emasculated - i suspect this is your experiences with men that you'd had in your life.

Then the only viable solution will be as you say mixed with new principles to override or hold primacy over his core values (feminine) - it can be done but it's extremely hard and would take many years. Men would do well to start off with baby steps 1st and slowly work their way up, inserting newer better principles to hold primacy over his core.

If ur solution alone is taken it will never work simply because you'll grow tired of him and in the end loses admiration followed by respect. Love by itself can only go so far...

Do you understand now AJ?

 

[longtail]

I wrote what I wrote because what I've seen over the past few months was shocking.

After a couple of days, I can see the situation more clearly and objectively now. I live in a suburban area surrounded by suburbs of similar size. This means-

1. lots and lots of old people with a small population of young adults of marrying age

2. the hottest women get snatched up very quickly as brides (8/10-10/10 girls).

3. this means 100% of single men are pursuing the remaining small percentage of hot girls, resulting in female harems ie orbiters.

4. this remaining percentage of hot women enjoy incredible power, with some becoming addicted to this power, marrying much later, late 20 or even in their 30's.

5. most guys give up or simply lose their will, and settle for average looking girls (5 to 7 range).

6. some unknown percentage of men remain perpetually single, dating infrequently, with no systematic game plan for marriage or who have given up on the prospect.

7. Add to all that, we are near tech cities which brings hordes of Indian men 20-45 years of age, a very large percentage of them single. These men are undesirable but love to go out and approach many women. They are a huge turnoff to women because they are on average very ugly and far more aggressive than average. They don't understand that no means no.

8. Huge numbers of mexicans immigrating legally and illegally who have flooded local suburban bars and nightlife. These have become de facto mexican bars and clubs, pushing out whites and blacks and asians. Tons of shaved head cholos, wanna-be gangbangers and super-fat Chinese looking Fat Joe types. These places look very much like any bar in Tijuana now. Only the dumbest non-mexicans will frequent these bars resulting in crime and chaos in the areas with any nightlife.

9. lots of cougars re-enter the scene after divorce. The hottest cougars have surprising pull. They can attract younger men as well as older men, double-dipping, so to speak. They generally wind up with an older rich man who will pay for a life of luxury.

10. the uglier cougars, young single moms, black women, etc., those women who wouldn't have much success in nightlife, resort to online dating. Not apps, but website based dating. No idea what their level of success is like but it's probably very limited from what I've seen.

11. the "chad" scene is small. Vanishingly small. It's small enough to say it doesn't exist to any significant degree that I've seen. What I mean is that it doesn't exist in the stereotypical sense of a "chad" dating an endless string of hot girls, much less 10's. Guys who attempt this lifestyle wind up with a near infinite number of 6's. I've seen this way too many times and have never met or even heard of an actual person dating 10's in large numbers.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen but most potential "chad" candidates have their lives together to the point that they marry one of these very hot women sooner rather than later.

I know several guys who date a lot of women. I've known several guys like this. None of them date hot women (8+) consistently. Their hot dates are few and far between. As I stated, they feast on tons and tons of serviceable 6's. I have never seen these guys with a girl who was even a 9. Occasional 8. Overwhelming majority in the 6-7 range.

More details later.

 

[corrector]

10. the uglier cougars, young single moms, black women, etc., those women who wouldn't have much success in nightlife, resort to online dating. Not apps, but website based dating. No idea what their level of success is like but it's probably very limited from what I've seen.

11. the "chad" scene is small. Vanishingly small. It's small enough to say it doesn't exist to any significant degree that I've seen. What I mean is that it doesn't exist in the stereotypical sense of a "chad" dating an endless string of hot girls, much less 10's. Guys who attempt this lifestyle wind up with a near infinite number of 6's. I've seen this way too many times and have never met or even heard of an actual person dating 10's in large numbers.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen but most potential "chad" candidates have their lives together to the point that they marry one of these very hot women sooner rather than later.

I know several guys who date a lot of women. I've known several guys like this. None of them date hot women (8+) consistently. Their hot dates are few and far between. As I stated, they feast on tons and tons of serviceable 6's. I have never seen these guys with a girl who was even a 9. Occasional 8. Overwhelming majority in the 6-7 range.

More details later.

So this confirms what bigdave17 is saying on his threads. Women who are 6-7 now have an overinflated value and average guys can not get them, nor would even want to since they are "chad-fodder" and will likely cheat on the guy. That means an average guy, like bigdave17 is likely getting uglier cougars, young single mom's and black women or going way below a 4.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I wrote what I wrote because what I've seen over the past few months was shocking.

After a couple of days, I can see the situation more clearly and objectively now. I live in a suburban area surrounded by suburbs of similar size. This means-

1. lots and lots of old people with a small population of young adults of marrying age

2. the hottest women get snatched up very quickly as brides (8/10-10/10 girls).

3. this means 100% of single men are pursuing the remaining small percentage of hot girls, resulting in female harems ie orbiters.

4. this remaining percentage of hot women enjoy incredible power, with some becoming addicted to this power, marrying much later, late 20 or even in their 30's.

5. most guys give up or simply lose their will, and settle for average looking girls (5 to 7 range).

6. some unknown percentage of men remain perpetually single, dating infrequently, with no systematic game plan for marriage or who have given up on the prospect.

7. Add to all that, we are near tech cities which brings hordes of Indian men 20-45 years of age, a very large percentage of them single. These men are undesirable but love to go out and approach many women. They are a huge turnoff to women because they are on average very ugly and far more aggressive than average. They don't understand that no means no.

8. Huge numbers of mexicans immigrating legally and illegally who have flooded local suburban bars and nightlife. These have become de facto mexican bars and clubs, pushing out whites and blacks and asians. Tons of shaved head cholos, wanna-be gangbangers and super-fat Chinese looking Fat Joe types. These places look very much like any bar in Tijuana now. Only the dumbest non-mexicans will frequent these bars resulting in crime and chaos in the areas with any nightlife.

9. lots of cougars re-enter the scene after divorce. The hottest cougars have surprising pull. They can attract younger men as well as older men, double-dipping, so to speak. They generally wind up with an older rich man who will pay for a life of luxury.

10. the uglier cougars, young single moms, black women, etc., those women who wouldn't have much success in nightlife, resort to online dating. Not apps, but website based dating. No idea what their level of success is like but it's probably very limited from what I've seen.

11. the "chad" scene is small. Vanishingly small. It's small enough to say it doesn't exist to any significant degree that I've seen. What I mean is that it doesn't exist in the stereotypical sense of a "chad" dating an endless string of hot girls, much less 10's. Guys who attempt this lifestyle wind up with a near infinite number of 6's. I've seen this way too many times and have never met or even heard of an actual person dating 10's in large numbers.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen but most potential "chad" candidates have their lives together to the point that they marry one of these very hot women sooner rather than later.

I know several guys who date a lot of women. I've known several guys like this. None of them date hot women (8+) consistently. Their hot dates are few and far between. As I stated, they feast on tons and tons of serviceable 6's. I have never seen these guys with a girl who was even a 9. Occasional 8. Overwhelming majority in the 6-7 range.

More details later.

Female 9 and 10 are P I M P in their own right or they want to be. With a Chad will be alot of head butting and jockying for 1st position. The female P I M P will desire men with pockets and resources. Of course she might use Chad for booty calls too.

 

[longtail]

So this confirms what bigdave17 is saying on his threads. Women who are 6-7 now have an overinflated value and average guys can not get them, nor would even want to since they are "chad-fodder" and will likely cheat on the guy. That means an average guy, like bigdave17 is likely getting uglier cougars, young single mom's and black women or going way below a 4.

The '6+' to '7' is a crossover category. She is hot enough for "chads" (kind of a fake category; good looking guy is more accurate and less loaded with exaggerated assumptions) to date, but also attainable enough for average guys, ugly guys, even gargoyles, to believe they have a chance.

These 6's and 7's (as long as they are in their 20's) are able to 'double dip' in a sense, catering to two very different dating pools of men, doubling their power and giving them an inflated sense of their own market value. The hot cougar is the other double dipper. These two categories are dating market anomalies that result from late marriage (6-7 tier 20 something women) and middle aged divorce (hot cougars).

 

[CalabreseMike]

There was another thread on a similar topic but it devolved into stupid sh1tposting and therefore was rendered useless.

For those of you who claim that most women are loyal, I can tell you you are completely wrong.

In just the last two nights I've been out, I've been approached by at least a dozen who are married, engaged, or have an apparent "boyfriend." Just this morning, an engaged gal approached me multiple times after 1 AM, and attempted to get into our car as we were leaving after closing.

Of course, this does not count the other women who were staring, proximity approaching or otherwise making their interest known without actually approaching.

Earlier this morning, two more married women approached me on the dance floor, and one of them began grinding on my crotch before she was pulled off by her husband or fiancee (she had a ring, I don't know if she was married or engaged).

Another girl with boyfriend or date did the same approaching me on the dance floor and grinding on my crotch. She was pulled off by said date.

On saturday night, a tall, blonde thin young 10 caliber girl in a c0cktail dress approached me, stared, hugged me and began making out with me. Her cuck boyfriend was following behind her motionless, just watching.

Those who claim most women are loyal have absolutely no idea just how disloyal these women are. They are 100% disloyal; if their temptation is strong enough they will cuck and cheat on their husband/fiance/boyfriend without the slightest hesitation right in front of them, even making multiple attempts.

This is not to mention the other girls not in a relationship who are bringing 3,4,5,6 orbiters each, with all of these guys buying drinks, paying for rides, running errands, and otherwise acting as lapdogs and slaves for these girls.

As you might have guessed, I am not very popular with the guys ha ha. Actually, I take that back, as long as the girl is present, they will fall into line and be extra nice to me because their dream girl is in love with me. But I'm persona non grata otherwise: a very large percentage of men are instinctively hateful towards me because of my appearance and pull.

I have random guys spreading rumors about me, spamming social media, gossiping, even women do this sometimes. They feel rejected or inferior or threatened and resort to lies to try to gain an upper hand, which of course never works.

I also have random women who want to boost their instagram cred by taking endless photos of me with them. This is not cheating of course, but it shows they want to be in a 'relationship' with the highest status man possible, even if it's a pseudo-relationship which only exists in instagram and facebook.

Women have lost all restraint. It now surprises me if a married woman in the same room doesn't make a move on me. The older generation of women seem to be more loyal. But women 30 and under, forget it, relationship status is irrelevant when they see a man they are truly attracted to (and didn't merely settle for).

Women and girls will pull her best friends man and destroy her best friend relationship with another woman. Men ordinarily won’t do that. I’ve know this since high school. Because of the biology of female mating instincts VS male mating instincts, this will always be the case. Women genetically want the highest value partner possible for her offspring and immediately will drop all relationships for such a male. And won’t blink. Female
Eggs are much scarcer than men’s sperm. Eggs are in limited supply. And therefore need to be used sparingly. Women don’t even realize they are doing this. But it’s wired into them biologically. Men. On the other hand. Have unlimited supply of sperm intended biologically to impregnate multiple partners which also we see this in the animal world. So they are less likely to give up everything for one female. although beta males sometimes do this.

 

[CalabreseMike]

BTW, NYC is WAY overrated for hot women. It is very easy to meet hot women and to get laid, but the vast majority of women in NY are brown, dumpy and trashy. It's great for quantity and getting laid quickly, but not great at all for quality.

Go to sousua or Boca Chica in the Dominican Republic to find super hot women.

 

[AJ84]

All women sees men as little innocent boys who needs molding.

Even my mother continues to fuss over me and my dad smiles at her attempts for he knows his son well - proudly tells his friends that I'm a fvcker as his father and his father before him.

Yes I listen to her (respect) but I am my own man with my own set of principles backed up by a strong masculine core values rooted by tribal warrior/hunter traditions. The current values/principles I have is basically to tame my core values - it's too aggressive for modern society.

As such it's not an issue when a women tries to mold me. It never is because I know exactly what I am and what I'm capable of.

I've already talked abt values/principles that a man should acquire to rule his actions.

I've also already talked abt core values - programming received during childhood.

Women can and has plenty of time to reduce man's principles/values, chip it off slowly. Given enough time it will expose a man to his core values.

You see, if a man's core values is manly, there can't be any emasculation. It's already embedded deep within him. It cannot be chipped away - it is forever.

However if a man's core values has been embedded with the feminine imperatives then in all likelihood he will be emasculated - i suspect this is your experiences with men that you'd had in your life.

Then the only viable solution will be as you say mixed with new principles to override or hold primacy over his core values (feminine) - it can be done but it's extremely hard and would take many years. Men would do well to start off with baby steps 1st and slowly work their way up, inserting newer better principles to hold primacy over his core.

If ur solution alone is taken it will never work simply because you'll grow tired of him and in the end loses admiration followed by respect. Love by itself can only go so far...

Do you understand now AJ?

My solution isn’t to change him into what she wants him to be, it’s to not invest at all if it’s based on what he could be, rather than what he already is. Like in my example, one guy is working towards being a doctor because that’s what he wants, the other guy is a bartender because that’s what he wants. This is their baseline. Neither is better than the other. But the bartender’s gf wants him to be more than what he is. So her nagging him is sending the msg that he’s not enough for her. Who wants to be made to feel like that? Women, I will say, tend to do stuff like this in relationships (not all). Whether it’s the feminine imperiative or not it’s doesnt matter, it’s not good.
If the decision to invest is based on how she can ‘improve him’, it’s going to lead to growing tired of him, losing admiration and respect when he’s not puppeting the way she wants him to. He in turn will resent her.

Expectations can kill relationships. And often do. Some people go in expecting stuff first and admiring things last.
Finding people who more closely align with your values, way of life and goals, while harder to find, is more fulfilling in the long run then trying mold people whose values etc are different than yours.

That’s my point.

 

[corrector]

The '6+' to '7' is a crossover category. She is hot enough for "chads" (kind of a fake category; good looking guy is more accurate and less loaded with exaggerated assumptions) to date, but also attainable enough for average guys, ugly guys, even gargoyles, to believe they have a chance.

These 6's and 7's (as long as they are in their 20's) are able to 'double dip' in a sense, catering to two very different dating pools of men, doubling their power and giving them an inflated sense of their own market value. The hot cougar is the other double dipper. These two categories are dating market anomalies that result from late marriage (6-7 tier 20 something women) and middle aged divorce (hot cougars).

Yes, but doesn't that seem to be setting up average guys, ugly guys, or gargoyles, as you put it, for a toxic type of set-up? Not saying everyone would be like that, but if they are double-dipping then that means they are also not quality LTR/wife material because they can double-dip and you've got chads that would take them on. That makes the crossover category a sort of damaged goods. It's like saying, I might have a chance to date a hor for another chad if I really improve my looks, game, or whatever. Nobody likes to get sloppy seconds or date someone that's a hor for someone else but makes you jump through allot of hoops and humiliates you.