Women Have ZERO Loyalty

[guru1000]

I know and have known several club and bar owners. Most are not ugly. They're normal to a bit above average looking. They definitely did not have 10's vying for them, and still don't.

One of them married an 8: hot blonde girl with big fake tits, gal is early 30's. He dated her long term, a couple of years.

A second hangs out at his bar quite a bit, chats up the prettier cougars. Gives them free drinks. He doesn't have much success.

A third was busted for giving away drugs to girls after hours. The bar was shut down.

A fourth is a grossly obese guy, a genuinely ugly guy. He's married to a fat, plain looking woman. His bar is very successful. He has no success with women.

A fifth is a lady owner. Middle aged, heavy set, typical appearance for her age. She runs a successful small bar. She used to buy me drinks every time I showed, but stopped when I never fvcked her.

I know three married club owners in NYC, relatively prominent clubs. All three owners are unattractive. Two of the three have harems of hot women. The third is faithful to his wife.

I know tons of financially well off men. Many of them can’t get hot women. The few who do get hot women consistently are also unattractive.

I know tons of good looking execs. Most of them have married or are dating average looking women. Some who are single don’t date hot women.

Your thinking is very unilateral. Good looks certainly opens the door most definitely. But good looks without basic social acuity closes the door to many hot women. If you have good looks, you’ll understand this.

 

[longtail]

I know three married club owners in NYC, relatively prominent clubs. All three owners are unattractive. Two of the three have harems of hot women. The third is a faithful to his wife.

I know tons of financially well off men. Many of them can’t get hot women. The few that do get hot women in a big way are also unattractive.

I know tons of good looking execs. Most of them have married or are dating average looking women. Some who are single don’t date hot women.

Your thinking is very unilateral. Good looks certainly opens the door most definitely. But good looks without basic social acuity closes the door to many hot women. If you have good looks, you’ll understand this.

What is the point of your post? You are just rambling about random sh1t.

 

[longtail]

BTW, NYC is WAY overrated for hot women. It is very easy to meet hot women and to get laid, but the vast majority of women in NY are brown, dumpy and trashy. It's great for quantity and getting laid quickly, but not great at all for quality.

 

[guru1000]

What is the point of your post? You are just rambling about random sh1t.

Urbanyst, I demonstrated a fork of actual scenarios outside of your, “Looks is All” paradigm.

Point: Looks is not all.

 

[longtail]

Rich guys don't get laid. Club owners have harems. Brilliant. You win the stupid award.

Urbanyst, I demonstrated a fork of actual scenarios outside of your, “Looks is All” paradigm.

Point: Looks is not all.

 

[AJ84]

The problem is that all women are chasing the top 20% of guys.

This means that 80% of men are either not in a relationship at all since women find them unattractive or are in a relationship where the women is willing to cheat or leave at the drop of a hat. This can only lead to mass social instability, personal dissatisfaction, anger, tension, frustration, anxiety, low self esteem etc.

There's no way to handle this problem on an individual basis.

I'm one of the beneficiaries of this anarchical state and even I feel bad to some degree for most guys. If I'm upset, think about how the bottom 80% feel.

Where are you finding these stats? This is no where near accurate. This is the Chad Assumption. This is Incel Statistics. Imagine going to college and being told you only have a 20% chance of graduating. How many would even bother?

It’s absolute toxic thinking because what will happen is a guy with this mindset will either:
1) buy a sports car, get hair plugs and d**k extensions and bone breaking surgery to be taller - Richard the Frog (banned).
2) become despondent, hate women and post about how he would like to hurt them - Richard the Frog (banned).

Nothing wrong with self improvement but it should come from a place of reality and it should be for one’s own benefit regardless of women.

 

[guru1000]

Rich guys don't get laid. Club owners have harems. Brilliant. You win the stupid award.

If comprehension isn’t your strong suit, why not just post the YouTube videos like you used to to build your case. You’ll be in a Much stronger position than here.

 

[longtail]

If comprehension isn’t your strong suit, why not just post the YouTube videos like you used to build your case. You’ll be in a Much stronger position than here.

You wrote a stupid, rambling, contradictory post which had no point. You got called stupid. Deal with it.

 

[longtail]

Where are you finding these stats? This is no where near accurate. This is the Chad Assumption. This is Incel Statistics. Imagine going to college and being told you only have a 20% chance of graduating. How many would even bother?

It’s absolute toxic thinking because what will happen is a guy with this mindset will either:
1) buy a sports car, get hair plugs and d**k extensions and bone breaking surgery to be taller - Richard the Frog (banned).
2) become despondent, hate women and post about how he would like to hurt them - Richard the Frog (banned).

Nothing wrong with self improvement but it should come from a place of reality and it should be for one’s own benefit regardless of women.

It's not stats, its a single stat. It's from okcupid showing women find 80% of men unattractive. I don't consider okcupid's data to be gospel, but they have many thousands of users and data over a long time period. It's worth considering.

Your hypothetical is false. You don't have a 20% chance of graduating. Well, in community colleges, yeah, it probably is. At a 4 year institution it's well over 50%. But that's beside the point.

The reality is, in the current environment, most men who marry or date will have a partner who is willing to leave or cheat given the possibility with a significant hotter partner (20th percentile).

 

[longtail]

But this is the reality of 50% divorce and the stable marriages hardly ideal. If it wasn't this way, this site would not exist.

True, and fewer people are getting married. When they do, they're much older. This means they've been in more relationships. That means lower satisfaction in marriage.

I'm politically neutral. I just report what's happening.

 

[longtail]

Point is simple: I'm not saying everyone, most, or even a significant minority of the bottom 80% can change their situation.

The point I'm making is that this is leading to disaster socially, with the overwhelming majority of men dissatisfied with their dating lives or lack thereof.

Also, women are deeply unsatisfied since men are so weak and disspirited.

 

[AJ84]

But this is the reality of 50% divorce and the stable marriages hardly ideal. If it wasn't this way, this site would not exist.

So what’s the solution?

 

[AJ84]

It's not stats, its a single stat. It's from okcupid showing women find 80% of men unattractive. I don't consider okcupid's data to be gospel, but they have many thousands of users and data over a long time period. It's worth considering.

Your hypothetical is false. You don't have a 20% chance of graduating. Well, in community colleges, yeah, it probably is. At a 4 year institution it's well over 50%. But that's beside the point.

The reality is, in the current environment, most men who marry or date will have a partner who is willing to leave or cheat given the possibility with a significant hotter partner (20th percentile).

Oh, OK Cupid. So that’s the like American Medical Journal of dating?
Online dating is like shopping at a supermarket. Everyone has an unlimited amount of cash and think that’s all they need to buy the best brands in the prettiest packages. It doesn’t represent face to face interactions nor other organic ways of meeting people. It’s catalogue shopping. The study looks at the pics of people. Obviously the most fit and best looking people are going to get the most views, likes and msgs because people have nothing to lose sending a msg to them. It does not mean that in real life only the top 20 get all the hot girls competing for him. In fact several men on this forum state that they do better in person than they do online.

Yes I know you have more than a 20% of graduating college. It was analogy.

 

[Poonani Maker]

I know three married club owners in NYC, relatively prominent clubs. All three owners are unattractive. Two of the three have harems of hot women. The third is faithful to his wife.

I know tons of financially well off men. Many of them can’t get hot women. The few who do get hot women consistently are also unattractive.

I know tons of good looking execs. Most of them have married or are dating average looking women. Some who are single don’t date hot women.

Your thinking is very unilateral. Good looks certainly opens the door most definitely. But good looks without basic social acuity closes the door to many hot women. If you have good looks, you’ll understand this.

But do you really wanna be accepted by today's social expectations? My take on it is that I don't wanna be like the hot women are socially, their beliefs socially or their actions (except sex) socially. Women like being used, and used, and used by rich and good-looking men, and before they know it the deep smiles and apparent happiness begins to wane with age and then no amount of "social" acuity will save them then from landing a better guy. They certainly don't mind being USED over and over and over again, even if you point it out to them that that path leads to destruction (death even). Married women today even, have this urge to be used by a man other than her husband.

 

[AJ84]

Point is simple: I'm not saying everyone, most, or even a significant minority of the bottom 80% can change their situation.

The point I'm making is that this is leading to disaster socially, with the overwhelming majority of men dissatisfied with their dating lives or lack thereof.

Also, women are deeply unsatisfied since men are so weak and disspirited.

It just seems like a very bleak picture you’re paining. I’m not saying it’s great. It’s far from that. But I don’t think it’s a social disaster as you stated.

 

[guru1000]

But do you really wanna be accepted by today's social expectations? My take on it is that I don't wanna be like the hot women are socially, their beliefs socially or their actions (except sex) socially. Women like being used, and used, and used by rich and good-looking men, and before they know it the deep smiles and apparent happiness begins to wane with age and then no amount of "social" acuity will save them then from landing a better guy. They certainly don't mind being USED over and over and over again, even if you point it out to them that that path leads to destruction (death even). Married women today even, have this urge to be used by a man other than her husband.

Observational facts, that’s all.

As to my personal belief: one does not walk into a supermarket without currency to buy a product. To think one can walk into the sexual markeplace without sexual currency (SMV) is ignorance to the operating rules of play.

In any game, Know the rules of play and be the best damn player. All else are excuses to lose.

 

[Spaz]

I’d say that’s the problem with language, that is, concise words are limited in scope furthered by how social constructs define those words and further corrupted by personal proclivities/biases.

Delusion to me is being aware but not having such a belief reinforced (yet) by evidence. Once an act is reinforced by success (and thus evidence), the act is no longer of delusion.

I’d say a big part of my success overall has been Starting with delusion (mental paradigms). We are just understanding the word differently.

Person who is delusionally self confident has no evidence to reinforce what he is confident about, but yet still goes in with a perspective of winning the outcome. I strongly believe that’s the best frame of mind to enter an unknown with (if there is no downside to consider, e.g. approaching, sales).

Very clever Guru.

And yes it's true with sales as well with others and it's positive when it's actionable.

Delusions could be termed as dreams.

Dreams is what made civilisation as we know today and it's molding our future.

 

[AJ84]

It's not as bad as he's saying but it isn't great.

I'm someone that is close to top 25% so I do ok but there is a serious character deficit in modern women. There are some good women(I've dated them) but it's definitely 10% max.

For the bottom 70% or so of men it's horrific if single later in life. 2-3 girlfriends lifetime, mistreated, used. Brutal. I roll with men of all SMVs and I really have a lot of compassion for them because no one gives them guidance.

Here’s the thing: some women say the same stuff just switch genders. In fact 80% of what men complain about here parallels with what some women complain about.
What is going on here, that we have several men and women saying there are few good men and women?
I don’t expect anyone here to have the answers I’m just wondering out loud.

 

[lizardking82]

Good point, but this is a woman hating site. These men aren't here to self reflect, they are here to blame the opposite sex.

I don't think that's the intention of the site, but that's what it has devolved into

I don't think you should compare most men here with some lunatic posters.

 

[Spaz]

Women's loyalty is dependant on the man she's with - relationship wise.

Women's loyalty is dependant on the leadership provided in her work place.

If a man can't provide the leadership that's needed then women will revert back to their basic loyalties, which is survival (lifestyle/resources).

With leadership comes admiration, with that comes respect and that's how loyalty is established in a relationship with women.

There's no such thing as blind loyalty.