Women have Co-opted morality

Aenigma

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Piece by little piece I've been analyzing a problem that's been bothering me ever since I had my eyes opened to the Matrix and the way the world really works; namely how is it that women can manpulate men so effectively? How can they get men to avoid their own interests and submitting to their own? Why are shaming tactics so effective? In the words of Pook- "Women, like little Caesars, can order men about at their will."

Why is that?

I think one of the primary reasons is that of morality. Rollo Tomassi has gone to great lengths to explain the many social conventions that women employ; this, along with shaming tactics, is another piece of the puzzle.

I believe the primary reason is that women have co-opted morality to their own ends and thus have not only become the controllers of social behavior but the arbiters and definers of good and evil, as it relates to inter-gender behavior, as well.

How did they do this?

Well I believe that there are two primary causes for this. The first is the nature of man. Most men have an innate tendency (whether it socialized or natural is another question...) to adhere to what they believe is "good". We need a moral code of behavior, and stick to it, like a fish to water. When we're young most of us are indoctrinated with a golden rule- treat other...- version of morality complete with religious indoctrination and the heaven/hell reward scheme for such behavior. To put it succinctly, we're indoctrinated with a self-sacrificial altrustic ideal as the basis for our morality. This is also known as the slave morality.

Women, on the other hand, have a much greater tendency for amorality. They are not guided so much buy ideals of good/evil as much as they are by the ideas of benefical/non-beneficial; consequently things that benefit them are labeled as "good" and things that don't are labeled as "bad". As a result when intergender conflict arises things that benefit a woman are labeled as good and things that don't are bad.

Man is too busy for wife "he's a bad husband"
Buy's jewelry: "Good husband"
Leaves her because she's a *****: "Bad man"
Stays and takes her sh*t: "He's a goodman"

This is nothing new, and is part and parcel of pervious discussed shaming tactics/social coventions and how women dictate them.

The reason these works is becauses of men's moral code. They accept the social conventions/shaming tactics because in a man's mind they're not standards of good/bad but rather a standard of good/evil. For most men, going against them would mean going against their moral code and dealing with both inner and outer moral condemnation for their own "selfish" benefit.

In other words- men are not enslaved by women and shaming tactics. They are enslaved by the slave morality. Women merely employ them to their own benefit.

To rid yourself of manipulations, shaming tactics, and the chains of artificial social conventions you must rid yourself, once and for all, of the self destructive slave morality.
 

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I don't think the road to happiness and enlightenment is found via adopting a complete self-centered world view. Is this what you're promoting?
 

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Doesn't Esther Vilar's The Manipulated Man go into a little bit about how men are essentially slaves to women?

I haven't read the book but I think it was KontrollerX who described the contents of this book and that was one of the things he mentioned in there.

Interesting topic though. I reckon this is going to get out of hand real soon due to presence of moral police and amoral rebels on this forum.
 

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Big J, I don't think Aenigma is promoting a completely self centered view of morality, if my aim is correct he's promoting giving up the convention,"that if a woman/society paints it so, it must be so" mindset. All part of releasing oneself from the matrix don't you think?
 

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IMO, there is no objective "good" or "bad" (the case for there being objective good and evil, is stronger). The Matrix's view of what is good and bad (based on the female agenda) can only have teeth as long as it's supported by authorities (divorce judges, for example), who adopt a stance based on what public opinion supports.

Since there's no coherent organized male position voiced, AFC guys, including "authorities who have their own agenda (political control), will support the Matrix view. At least until they become the victims themselves.
 

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bigjohnson said:
I don't think the road to happiness and enlightenment is found via adopting a complete self-centered world view. Is this what you're promoting?
Knight's Cross said:
Big J, I don't think Aenigma is promoting a completely self centered view of morality, if my aim is correct he's promoting giving up the convention,"that if a woman/society paints it so, it must be so" mindset. All part of releasing oneself from the matrix don't you think?

Dance upon the eggshells! Be careful not to break them!!

Aenigma...very interesting thread. Kudos! :up:

Interested in seeing where this one is going.
 

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Knight's Cross said:
Big J, I don't think Aenigma is promoting a completely self centered view of morality ....
Well If a woman is too busy for her husband she *IS* a bad wife, and the other way round is true also. Maybe he just picked a bad example.
 

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The PC (politically correct) brigade use the same shaming tactics. Immigration into Europe is a good example of this. If a country tries to slow down immigration (including illegal immigration) they are called Nazi's etc. There is no debate allowed. For every other non-White country in the world it's acceptable to limit immigration, which they do.


Sexism is also ok if it's against men. then it's seen as having a bit of a joke etc (which it usually is to both men and women)


Women are just copying what they see all around them which is being promoted on the media etc. The rules are what they see on TV and how they were brought up. You need to make your own rules and let women know what you expect from her because they don't know how to behave usually. If they don't like your rules then find somebody who does.
 

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Interesting view Aenigma.

I adopt an objectivist moral code when it come to human behavior because of the extracted wisdom from the lessons that history provides to support that stance.. IT may sound haughty, but I regard part of my obligations as a man to be a lighthouse.

I agree that women are driven by benefice and advantage rather than any conviction about "right "or "wrong".. Therefore ,to one who seeks advantage over ethics, any restriction placed upon her by "doing the right thing " are just an annoying obstacle to her self gratification.
Hence we read posts about "low quality " women. Why do we call them low quality ? Because they sought their own advantage without reference to any consideration of how her actions would impact on others or whether they were about to violate acceptable morality.
Underpinning this egocentric behavior is gratification based on, and driven by FEELINGS. Feelings can swirl and tumble . THat is why women's actions are so erratic and irrational many times. Because they act on feelings, the subsequent outcome is often the bewildering collection of sillyness which we men often encounter...

IF I abandoned my "moral code" and also lived a live of benefit by deluding myself that there are no "morals" because it in more convenient to my cause, then I am living my life in a feminine style of immediacy. I have joined the girls on the playground.

Back to the point...The OP sees morality as promoting and 'enabling' slavery. I see it quite differently. The ONLY effective counterbalance against the forces marshalled against us is an internalized morality which is applied rigidly without regard to its personal inconvenience.

I am reluctant to buy into this particular "morality" thread an further lest the lightning bolt of censorship falls again, and the thead is locked.
 

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men bow to women because most men get way less sex than they wish they were getting from different women. Even if you bang a supemodel six times a day for a week she'll get old, and you crave new pu$$y.

I suspect that if you had a magic invisible ray gun that you could point at ANY woman, ANY time and get her to sexually satisfy you in ANY way you wanted, you'd be un-manipulate-able, and you wouldn't give a rats eardrum if any woman tried to use some lame shaming tactic on you. and women would realize this from your super sonic vibe.

I don't think it has anything to do with morals or right and wrong.

Men naturally want sex more sex with more women, so women naturally have the advantage.

If it were reveresed, men would take advantage just like women do. It's not cold, it's not calculated, it's not a feminine conspiracy. one team wants sex more than the other, is all.

recent historical events, birth control, earning a living other than through labor, are simply allowing woment to exploit the advantage.

You don't have to suffer though, as the answer is simple.

GET MORE PU$$$$Y.

it's really not that complicated.
 

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taiyuu_otoko said:
I suspect that if you had a magic invisible ray gun that you could point at ANY woman, ANY time and get her to sexually satisfy you in ANY way you wanted, you'd be un-manipulate-able, and you wouldn't give a rats eardrum if any woman tried to use some lame shaming tactic on you. and women would realize this from your super sonic vibe.
lol, ain't that the truth.
 

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It all comes down to the scarcity mentality. If you have it then they can dangle the carrot of sex in front of you all the want and you'll follow along just as intended. If you are getting sex as much as you like then that carrot has no sway on your decision making.

It all starts at getting what you want so they can't hold your needs hostage.
 

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That's why it will take a LOT, for a woman to get with me. Since there are no women WITH me in the social place I frequent the most, the women AT that social place disregard and label me as a putz, or loser, but according to my job, and according to my looks, and according to my body language, and according to the attention I get out in public by myself, and according to the millionaire road I'm on, they should be dropping their panties for me In public or At This Social place I frequent the most, Church.
 

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Aenigma said:
In other words- men are not enslaved by women and shaming tactics. They are enslaved by the slave morality. Women merely employ them to their own benefit.

To rid yourself of manipulations, shaming tactics, and the chains of artificial social conventions you must rid yourself, once and for all, of the self destructive slave morality.
Good thread, BTW.

If I posted this thread it would have already been a hornet's nest :box:

You make a very good point. Men are indeed enslaved by morality. This whole "bro's before ho's" mentality is a double edged sword. You need to be loyal to those who are deserving of it and have earned it, but this blind loyalty, this collective "us" mentality will more often than not get you used and abused by women, the church, the government, etc.

People get all up in arms when I say I don't have a problem with having sex with a married woman but I'm just being practical. To an extent I have taken myself out of the bonds of morality. This doesn't mean that I am not loyal to people who deserve it or that I'm out to screw everyone. Far from it. I simply realized that there are certain restraints that have been placed upon me based upon other people's agendas, and I refuse to allow those restraints to shackle me to meet someone else's needs.

The moralists out there don't account for the imperfect world that we live in. And of course they don't account for the fact that their own minds are capable of bending their personal moral code without them even realizing it. Then they call people like me "relativists". What a crock. It's ALL relative. the day each and every person's mind can be individually mapped to the point where your thoughts and actions can be predicted is that day you can try to shame me into falling into this herd mentality (and that's all it is).
 

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jophil28 said:
I agree that women are driven by benefice and advantage rather than any conviction about "right "or "wrong"..
Maybe we should only act morally towards other men. The system doesn't work if only one side is playing.

Lie to and cheat all the women you want, but be good to men.



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One behavior I always question is why should a man be morally obligated to take care of his kids? Being at my mom's house for the holidays, a lot of those judge shows and talk shows have been on. And this comes up again and again about the guys who aren't paying child support and all that. Am I really morally obligated to financially support any child I father? Why? Other male animals abandon their kids. And it's not like we'd be leaving them to death by leaving.

It's one thing for it to be for the benefit of society and women, but quite another for it to be a moral obligation.
 

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STR8UP said:
The moralists out there don't account for the imperfect world that we live in.
Not at all, I just realize that civilization cannot exist without people willing to exercise and encourage moral restraint. Chimps seem to lack a lot of the moral wires we have and we're the ones who invented ... everything.

Not a coincidence IMO.
 

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You know, you guys really got me thinking. I started writing a reply and it's now almost 3 pages long, so I'll probably split it out into a separate thread.
 

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mrRuckus said:
One behavior I always question is why should a man be morally obligated to take care of his kids? Being at my mom's house for the holidays, a lot of those judge shows and talk shows have been on. And this comes up again and again about the guys who aren't paying child support and all that. Am I really morally obligated to financially support any child I father? Why? Other male animals abandon their kids. And it's not like we'd be leaving them to death by leaving.

It's one thing for it to be for the benefit of society and women, but quite another for it to be a moral obligation.
I want to take a stab at this question. Why should only the mom have to be responsible for the child if the father leave? Now, what if we reverse the situation. What if the mom leaves instead? It is relatively rare in reality, but should the mom just go scott free if she don't want to take care of him? Basically, it exist because the duty should not be lopsided to just one parent. Child support exist for that reason, despite it is poor substitute for a real father or mother.

As for the animal argument, when we know we are only ourselves animals, why should we just follow the behavior of most animals? Why does the face most males of other animals leave after mating should be a model for our species? You can argue that it would be in the best interest of the single male, but for the collective well-being (happiness, not evolutionary genetic success) of the entire specie, which would be better (this question is similar to Prisioner's Dilemma)?

The moralists out there don't account for the imperfect world that we live in.
I'll take a stab at this statement too. This reminds me of Machiavelli's argument of the problem of following ethics/morality, people don't always follow it. Therefore, in order to succeed, we must arm ourselves to deal with it. However, Machiavelli never abandoned morality (you also said you didn't either, I think). A close reader would notice that his goal of the end is for the good of all, not just oneself. He actually encourages to stick to "good" actions, but just be willing to engage in "evil" when needed. Also to do it quickly and all at once.

Reading closely, I don't think you would disagree str8up what I said so far, but there's a problem of saying it all relative. To say all morality is relative is to dismiss morality rather than recognizing when morality is no longer doing good. Therefore, hardline approach to morality have it's place. It's like a thread I noticed earlier in off topic about radical honesty, he still lies, but taking a hardline stance push him to lie a lot less than others. People will bend their morality everyday, but without it, he would bend much more and it won't be good for anyone.

It is important to be able to see as much as possible of the mechanics and know when it is being used against us. At the same time, it does mean a moral stance such as following bros before hos is blind or disadvantageous.
 

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Morality used to favor men. Now it favors women. The mistake women made in the past was to accept the morality that kept them down. Men should not make that same mistake now.
 

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I say simply know which people you want to associate with, and which ones you do not.
Work towards having the lifestyle YOU want, and not let your impulses control you, thus, make you weak and easily manipulated.

You call the shots.

Sure, you live in our 'society', but that doesnt mean you have to accept things that YOU KNOW are damaging to your health, wealth, and well being.

Accept that you need companionship, etc...but dont be its slave....
 

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