"Women are the sexual selectors." NO

[The Ripped Nomad]

Well, the answer should be it depends.
But it makes me laugh me to hear that women choose.
They choose IF the man doesn't have (or he believes) he doesn't have other options.
They choose IF the man is a conformist. Lazy. IF the man doesn't look to better himself.
They choose IF the man want to find A womAn so he can finally relax and settle down.
But surely they don't choose with ME. Or with YOU, in case you consistently DO things to better yourself
WE know WE have options.
WE know WE can always DO better.
WE know HOW to develop ourselves to effortessly attract women. And even to reject them.
We don't settle down easily. Because, as them, we are always trying to find the best partner to mate with.
"If she is not the best I can get"?
So, gentleman they don't neccesarly choose. It's up to US.
The power is in OUR HANDS.

 

[Dr.Suave]

A huevo!

 

[Barrister]

Well, the answer should be it depends.
But it makes me laugh me to hear that women choose.
They choose IF the man doesn't have (or he believes) he doesn't have other options.
They choose IF the man is a conformist. Lazy. IF the man doesn't look to better himself.
They choose IF the man want to find A womAn so he can finally relax and settle down.
But surely they don't choose with ME. Or with YOU, in case you consistently DO things to better yourself
WE know WE have options.
WE know WE can always DO better.
WE know HOW to develop ourselves to effortessly attract women. And even to reject them.
We don't settle down easily. Because, as them, we are always trying to find the best partner to mate with.
"If she is not the best I can get"?
So, gentleman they don't neccesarly choose. It's up to US.
The power is in OUR HANDS.

It's all in how you look at things. Men should always aspire to being the best version of themselves first and foremost. And it shouldn't be done for purposes of getting a woman. But, at the same time women do choose who they want to be attracted to. No man gets to walk out onto the street and pick a woman at random with no input from the woman. She must reciprocate that interest, and in this way she is the one who is "choosing" if you will.

The man also chooses, but usually, men don't give a sh1t about anything other than the woman being attractive and not a complete psychopath. Her overall intelligence, her money, her education, and her social status mean very little to us. We just want a beautiful face and body to look at while we bang the sh1t out of her.

 

[behimo]

Not sure why you want to overthink this, women are the gatekeepers. They control who has access to the box.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

Well, the answer should be it depends.
But it makes me laugh me to hear that women choose.
They choose IF the man doesn't have (or he believes) he doesn't have other options.
They choose IF the man is a conformist. Lazy. IF the man doesn't look to better himself.
They choose IF the man want to find A womAn so he can finally relax and settle down.
But surely they don't choose with ME. Or with YOU, in case you consistently DO things to better yourself
WE know WE have options.
WE know WE can always DO better.
WE know HOW to develop ourselves to effortessly attract women. And even to reject them.
We don't settle down easily. Because, as them, we are always trying to find the best partner to mate with.
"If she is not the best I can get"?
So, gentleman they don't neccesarly choose. It's up to US.
The power is in OUR HANDS.

This would be true in an ideal world where men are good at being men and are good men.

Truth is, there are too many weak men putting women in pedestals and allowing them to be entitled.

At the end of the day, focus on what you can control.


Modern Man Advice

 

[CBear]

Of course it depends just like everything in life but based on the dynamic of more men "fighting" over (or looking for) sex with the women they are attracted to and more women fighting over/looking for relationships with the men they view as attractive, dominant, and that of a higher quality, the following holds true; Women choose who they have sex with, men choose who they have relationships with.

 

[DonJuanjr]

No man gets to walk out onto the street and pick a woman at random with no input from the woman.

Technically a man can... It's just his morality, or fear of repercussions that would stop him. Really without law/social customs, men are the true gatekeepers of sex and relationships. I'm not condoning it, just saying...

 

[metalwater]

Technically a man can... It's just his morality, or fear of repercussions that would stop him. Really without law/social customs, men are the true gatekeepers of sex and relationships. I'm not condoning it, just saying...

caveman game.

 

[Striker_93]

Any real player or man with experience knows women are the seducers and the choosers, the game is different for different men, there's levels to the game and on certain levels women are the ones doing the choosing. Just depends on how attractive you are to women.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Not sure why you want to overthink this, women are the gatekeepers. They control who has access to the box.

There’s no overthinking. You have control too, namely control over which box you want to access. The idea that women are gatekeepers is silly. They may control the gate but you control the wagon. There are plenty of women that I have absolutely zero interest in fvcking.

 

[The Ripped Nomad]

It's all in how you look at things. Men should always aspire to being the best version of themselves first and foremost. And it shouldn't be done for purposes of getting a woman. But, at the same time women do choose who they want to be attracted to. No man gets to walk out onto the street and pick a woman at random with no input from the woman. She must reciprocate that interest, and in this way she is the one who is "choosing" if you will.

The man also chooses, but usually, men don't give a sh1t about anything other than the woman being attractive and not a complete psychopath. Her overall intelligence, her money, her education, and her social status mean very little to us. We just want a beautiful face and body to look at while we bang the sh1t out of her.

We should always aspire to be the best we can be, to HAVE MORE SEXUAL OPTIONS. That is what I meant. Not (in fact, never) doing it for A womAn. Doing it for US.
To GROW and reach OUR maximum value. Thus, by being aware we can have more, you guessed it, options.


Men go only for looks, yes.
Women USUALLY have more standards. But ask a girk why she (whould or did already) f*ck the hot guy she saw last holydays.
So when it comes to having some fun, men and women are not so different.

*I dont think attraction IS a choise. That is why we hear "I wish I wanted to have sex with this guy, he is perfect, but..."

 

[The Ripped Nomad]

This would be true in an ideal world where men are good at being men and are good men.

Truth is, there are too many weak men putting women in pedestals and allowing them to be entitled.

At the end of the day, focus on what you can control.


Modern Man Advice

"Focus on what you can control".
That is WHY I said "focus on CONSISTENTLY DOING things to better yourself. Having more options will be a natural outcome

 

[firstbornunicorn]

no

 

[zekko]

I think this goes back to the nature of men and women. There is that study that shows that women find 80% of men unattractive. Meanwhile, I would guess most women are attractive to men, as long as they aren't fat. Women are built to be the objects of sexual desire, I have yet to see anyone here convince me otherwise, despite many attempts to deny it. That is not to say women cannot desire men, but it is a much rarer thing. Just the basic female body is enough to touch off desire in a male, apparently women need a male above the norm to touch off this desire.

However, the 80% are not simply out of luck. Women can become emotionally attached to men, and therefore become attracted to them. This can happen in a number of ways, and is what "game" seeks to accomplish.

 

[B80]

I think this goes back to the nature of men and women. There is that study that shows that women find 80% of men unattractive. Meanwhile, I would guess most women are attractive to men, as long as they aren't fat. Women are built to be the objects of sexual desire, I have yet to see anyone here convince me otherwise, despite many attempts to deny it. That is not to say women cannot desire men, but it is a much rarer thing. Just the basic female body is enough to touch off desire in a male, apparently women need a male above the norm to touch off this desire.

However, the 80% are not simply out of luck. Women can become emotionally attached to men, and therefore become attracted to them. This can happen in a number of ways, and is what "game" seeks to accomplish.

Think that was online though.

 

[zekko]

Think that was online though.

The study was, yes. But it goes along with what the manosphere says about 20% of the guys doing 80% of the banging, and all the stories about how women have it so much easier in the dating world. As well as how much more in demand female strippers are, how female porn stars are paid more (females are the real draw), etc. etc.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

Both men and women are the sexual selectors,
there has to be mutual attraction for anything to happen. Both genders have different strengths in the sexual market place.
Attractive men have the power of scarcity and attractive women have the power of selectivity. There’s lots of bangable 19-25 year old women (50% of them) but much less bangable men aged 29-35 that are also single (10% of them).
For example an basketball team of 10 men for 30 cheerleaders.

This means a small proportion of Men are attractive and they are outnumbered by eligible women. Attractive men have the power of scarcity and attractive women have the power of selectivity

So it evens up - a small number of atttactive men who aren’t very picky for a large number of women who are picky

 

[B80]

Both men and women are the sexual selectors,
there has to be mutual attraction for anything to happen. Both genders have different strengths in the sexual market place.
Attractive men have the power of scarcity and attractive women have the power of selectivity. There’s lots of bangable 19-25 year old women (50% of them) but much less bangable men aged 29-35 that are also single (10% of them).
For example an basketball team of 10 men for 30 cheerleaders.

This means a small proportion of Men are attractive and they are outnumbered by eligible women. Attractive men have the power of scarcity and attractive women have the power of selectivity

So it evens up - a small number of atttactive men who aren’t very picky for a large number of women who are picky

Yeah I never look at either way. It is what it is, both sides play a part in selection. Obviously women get propositioned more, apart from odd outlier males.

 

[B80]

The study was, yes. But it goes along with what the manosphere says about 20% of the guys doing 80% of the banging, and all the stories about how women have it so much easier in the dating world. As well as how much more in demand female strippers are, how female porn stars are paid more (females are the real draw), etc. etc.

Yeah was mentioned recently on here about that. It applies to any given environment at the time, rather than 'only' 20% of males are getting laid all the time.

So an average bloke will be in the 80% if in a high end bar, but may be in the 20% at a lower end bar or something like a book club, or wherever the quality/attractiveness of women is lower.

I've encountered it myself when younger/shyer. Would be invisible in certain places, then in certain social circles, night clubs would get a lot of attention.

 

[biggoal]

I think this goes back to the nature of men and women. There is that study that shows that women find 80% of men unattractive. Meanwhile, I would guess most women are attractive to men, as long as they aren't fat. Women are built to be the objects of sexual desire, I have yet to see anyone here convince me otherwise, despite many attempts to deny it. That is not to say women cannot desire men, but it is a much rarer thing. Just the basic female body is enough to touch off desire in a male, apparently women need a male above the norm to touch off this desire.

However, the 80% are not simply out of luck. Women can become emotionally attached to men, and therefore become attracted to them. This can happen in a number of ways, and is what "game" seeks to accomplish.

All because a woman isnt fat i dont find her attractive. Bad teeth, face, tats, piercings etc.

Maybe 20 percent of women from 18 to 50 pass the boner test in the us