women always prefer an alpha male...? you sure?

[pyros]

I say this because I've met many women that actually disliked alpha males, or guys who displayed a dominant behaviour or a 'masculine' behaviour so to speak.

These women are 'dominant' and seek a guy (beta?) that follows them, does what they say and do not give them too much trouble.

I have not met just one women like this, I've met quite a few, so the idea spread over PUA forums etc that women always want and alpha and if they end up with a beta they regret it and thus despise their man...I dont know.

Many of these dominant woman are happy with their puppy boyfriends/husbands, and they do not want a man that leads them etc.

Today I had this same discussion with a female friend of mine a girl who is 24 now. She said that women rule the world, and that in a marriage it is always the woman the one who leads and dictates how things are done, and she also said that if I ask any married man he will say that his wife wears the pantsin the relationship and that he obeys her so they do not argue.
Of course I disagreed and said that the men who say this are lame and called beta in the internet, so we had an amusing "talk".

Thoughts?

 

[Obsidian]

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[jurry]

They "dislike" alpha men that are out of their league that they cannot tame and marry I believe is the translation there..

I agree marrying a woman or becoming monogamous to her gives up a great deal of control and women lead a lot of the time in LTRs. But you still had to show her SOME degree of independence or "alphaness" at some point to make her feel like you deserved her.

If theres no challenge for her then she will wonder whats wrong with you or that she should be with someone better.

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

This has a lot to do with the schedules of mating that Rollo has written about. Women will settle (marry) the beta to secure the provisioning, but her vag is not getting wet from the beta man.

Also, there may be some presumption in what you consider "dominant" or "masculine". It doesn't necessarily mean loud and obnoxious. Some women may prefer more of the silent dominant guy with high SMV, but who is still no less an alpha.

No some of them do desire and want to sexually reward the "beta". The beta makes them feel good about themselves and they love to give him all this pu$$y that she feel he wouldn't otherwise get.

But in this country a great many of these, will eventually figure out they don't have to do anything and Mr "beta" may not stray, and their greed will kick in and they will try to starve Mr "beta"... Wanting to bang popular and in demand Alpha's and use Mr "beta" for her man duties, to pay bills and help baby sit.

 

[Infern0]

I say this because I've met many women that actually disliked alpha males, or guys who displayed a dominant behaviour or a 'masculine' behaviour so to speak.

These women are 'dominant' and seek a guy (beta?) that follows them, does what they say and do not give them too much trouble.

I have not met just one women like this, I've met quite a few, so the idea spread over PUA forums etc that women always want and alpha and if they end up with a beta they regret it and thus despise their man...I dont know.

Many of these dominant woman are happy with their puppy boyfriends/husbands, and they do not want a man that leads them etc.

Today I had this same discussion with a female friend of mine a girl who is 24 now. She said that women rule the world, and that in a marriage it is always the woman the one who leads and dictates how things are done, and she also said that if I ask any married man he will say that his wife wears the pantsin the relationship and that he obeys her so they do not argue.
Of course I disagreed and said that the men who say this are lame and called beta in the internet, so we had an amusing "talk".

Thoughts?

Who cares?

If not being the best possible version of myself is a part of any woman's agenda then I want no part of her.

 

[dk1990S111]

Who cares?

If not being the best possible version of myself is a part of any woman's agenda then I want no part of her.

exactly my thoughts, if they want a beta then they can find someone else. Not going to be beta just to get with one of these control freaks.

 

[zekko]

This has a lot to do with the schedules of mating that Rollo has written about. Women will settle (marry) the beta to secure the provisioning, but her vag is not getting wet from the beta man.

If we look past the silliness of dividing all the men into "alphas" and "betas" for a moment:

A man who lets his wife dominate him is less than a beta. In a world that is not upside down from feminism, even a beta male should be the head of his household and be dominant over his wife. However, the world at present is upside down.

Let me say this about the schedules of mating:
I live in a fairly conservative state in the Midwest and women get married fairly young. The "ride the carousel until they hit the wall, then panic and grab the first beta they see and marry them" convention rarely happens.

These women, for the most part, are crazy in love with their fiances, and their husbands. They don't look down on them, or disrespect them, or have dry vaginas from them. At least at first. The problem is not that they married betas and "settled". The problem occurs when the oxytocin wears off. Some say this occurs after four years, some call it the seven year itch. But once the hormones stop pushing the romantic love feelings, THAT is when they start to resent their husbands and look down on them.

 

[FairShake]

In a world that is not upside down from feminism, even a beta male should be the head of his household and be dominant over his wife.

What if the guy is less intelligent, less educated or has less common sense than his wife? This happens a lot more than men like to admit nowadays...

I think the leader of the household should be the smarter person. That's a lot more effective than the leader simply being the male. Seems like common sense to me.

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

Should the leader of the house have more "common sense" or should they be stronger in financial matters and be a lot more productive under pressure?

 

[FairShake]

Should the leader of the house have more "common sense" or should they be stronger in financial matters and be a lot more productive under pressure?

How about all three?

Honestly both of your qualities tend to be more apparent in those with common sense than those without. Especially the first.

 

[bigneil]

Teachers like A students?

Men like beauty queens?

People want the best?

OP begs to differ. I do not. Alpha means the #1 choice. By definition, the #1 choice is indeed the best. To say otherwise is Beta.

Stop believing what dumped women say.

 

[backbreaker]

My female friend is one of these. We could never date. She has been dating the guy she is gonna marry 5 years not one argument. Dude just does what she says. That's what she wants she doesn't have the self esteem to deal with a dominant male who talks back and ****

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

How about all three?

Honestly both of your qualities tend to be more apparent in those with common sense than those without. Especially the first.

Some people thinks "common sense" means the proper "group think"... And they suck with money and can't handle anything outside of popular decisions.

 

[JohnyTheArrow]

You despise what you can't have.

Many men bash 'stupid blondes' yet if any of this stupid blondes want them they would change their point of view in a second.

Women words doesnt matter - only matter what they do.Though they are women attracted more to beta males often they got burned by alphas or come from broken families or have self issues.

But if alpha could have some beta qualities it a dream for a woman.

 

[JohnyTheArrow]

What if the guy is less intelligent, less educated or has less common sense than his wife? This happens a lot more than men like to admit nowadays...

I think the leader of the household should be the smarter person. That's a lot more effective than the leader simply being the male. Seems like common sense to me.

Not really.Less intelligent man is easier to control.Wife can play him like little boy and get anything she wants from him by playing her little games.

 

[JohnyTheArrow]

The problem occurs when the oxytocin wears off. Some say this occurs after four years, some call it the seven year itch. But once the hormones stop pushing the romantic love feelings, THAT is when they start to resent their husbands and look down on them.

And when the child is born it changes female brain from mating mode to nursing mode.

 

[YawataNoKami]

I say this because I've met many women that actually disliked alpha males, or guys who displayed a dominant behaviour or a 'masculine' behaviour so to speak.

These women are 'dominant' and seek a guy (beta?) that follows them, does what they say and do not give them too much trouble.

I have not met just one women like this, I've met quite a few, so the idea spread over PUA forums etc that women always want and alpha and if they end up with a beta they regret it and thus despise their man...I dont know.

Many of these dominant woman are happy with their puppy boyfriends/husbands, and they do not want a man that leads them etc.

Today I had this same discussion with a female friend of mine a girl who is 24 now. She said that women rule the world, and that in a marriage it is always the woman the one who leads and dictates how things are done, and she also said that if I ask any married man he will say that his wife wears the pantsin the relationship and that he obeys her so they do not argue.
Of course I disagreed and said that the men who say this are lame and called beta in the internet, so we had an amusing "talk".

Thoughts?

Bold: Syria comes to my mind...........
Never take advice from a woman.

 

[bigneil]

But YawataNoKami, what pyros wrote is true though. Every marriage I've seen in my generation is one where they guy is whipped and will do anything. My brother and best friend included. The only marriages that wasn't like that that I saw were my parents (and maybe grandparents, I think it was once more common). My dad was a control freak and would scream "I'm the boss!" regularly. My mom truly loved him and he had the upper hand. My mom was pretty and smart too and went on to be a big earner. My dad eventually broke her heart after making her miserable for years. I never knew the pain she endured, most for my own benefit (the strong suffer in silence), but she remarried and is in another relationship where the man dominates (but he is independently wealthy so he spoils her). I could never find a woman to match my mom and stopped even trying. This is a problem with having a great mom. So few women are great women.

 

[zekko]

What if the guy is less intelligent, less educated or has less common sense than his wife? This happens a lot more than men like to admit nowadays...

I do know several cases like this, where the woman has to control the finances because the guy is too impulsive with money to be trusted. He would drive the family into debt. Some say this is a feminine trait, so maybe this is a symptom of society being feminized, and men being emasculated, I don't know.

OP begs to differ. I do not. Alpha means the #1 choice. By definition, the #1 choice is indeed the best.

Totally agree with that. But in the manosphere, people often define "alpha" as being synonymous with "big time pimp player", and if he has tattoos and has served some jail time, so much the better.

My female friend is one of these. We could never date. She has been dating the guy she is gonna marry 5 years not one argument. Dude just does what she says. That's what she wants she doesn't have the self esteem to deal with a dominant male who talks back and ****

It's funny how we always talk about women choosing men who are bad for them, but when they do end up choosing a guy that will take care of her, we question or sanity and self esteem, lol.

And when the child is born it changes female brain from mating mode to nursing mode.

There is that. I wouldn't even want to begin to think about all the hormonal changes women go through and how those affect relationships.

 

[YawataNoKami]

But YawataNoKami, what pyros wrote is true though. Every marriage I've seen in my generation is one where they guy is whipped and will do anything. My brother and best friend included. The only marriages that wasn't like that that I saw were my parents (and maybe grandparents, I think it was once more common). My dad was a control freak and would scream "I'm the boss!" regularly. My mom truly loved him and he had the upper hand. My mom was pretty and smart too and went on to be a big earner. My dad eventually broke her heart after making her miserable for years. I never knew the pain she endured, most for my own benefit (the strong suffer in silence), but she remarried and is in another relationship where the man dominates (but he is independently wealthy so he spoils her). I could never find a woman to match my mom and stopped even trying. This is a problem with having a great mom. So few women are great women.

It is true in the western world not in the whole world........