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[Sammer VII]

DISCLAIMER: Ok...before you get all hissy-pissy...please understand that I am not prejudiced against women. I love and respect the ones who love and respect themselves, and in no way, shape, or form to I advocate any physical violence directed towards a woman. But there are such things as stupid *itches, and dumb hoes...and they should be addressed AS SUCH. Just like there are dumbass boys, and retarded guys...only I don't deal with those kinds. So I'm going to rant about the women that I have encountered. (Inspired by joeking's thread.)

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Men, today is the day that we need to start separating the valuable from the garbage. Yes, I'm talking about women. You see...for too long we have let them run their two-faced lies, their double-standard guidlines, and they are now making an attempt to make us feel like we are their puppies...always bending to their will whether or not we want to be in the dog house.

Gentlemen, it's time to rise. It's time to come to grips with the fact that some women are just not meant to be respected. It's time to realize our FULL potential. It's time to start labelling.

For years I have found myself to be a person of a very strange attraction. I'm not your common, preppy, "buff jock" who has oil smeared over every crevice of every muscle...but then again...I don't really want to be. I'm more of your "quiet, dark, artist/musician", but with more color in my skin, and without all the trendy clothes. I've dated cheerleaders, soccer players, choir girls, older girls, and younger girls. For the longest time, I had no problem with women. I could associate with any one of them and instantly recognize how much better it was to talk to them instead of talking to another male. I don't know if it was their innocence, their maturity, or their cunning ruse to suck in guys like me...but I preferred to hang out with women more than men. And I was this way until about my Junior year of High School.

When I was about 14...I had my first REAL girlfriend. (One that I kissed, and stayed with for 8 months...all others before that were two-week girls, or a girl of 4 years that I never even held hands with....but that was BEFORE 14.) Anyway...she was the first girl I had...and she cheated on me.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT DOES TO A BOY OF 14???
What's even worse is that she cheated on me with MY BEST FRIEND!!!

What a way to start my dating career, eh? (And yes...I say CAREER for a reason.)

Well, since my first girlfriend...out of every single girl that I've met since that point....I have only found 5 respectable girls/women TOTAL! Yes...five. And let me go ahead and break those down for ya...cause some of them have still *ucked up, but they can be forgiven, because they are WORTH IT!

Sarah - One of my best friends since 7th grade. One of FEW females I trust. She used to be a strong-willed, vocal, anti-male, *itch. And I loved her for it. She never had a problem saying a single thing that graced her mind...and even though she has cooled her easily-combustible attitude to the point that she can walk away from problems now...this girl has always had respect for being the most honest person I know. We almost dated at one time, but we both decided against it...because we were too smart to do something so stupid. She has no problem telling you a single thing you have wrong with you...but she can love you as the person you are...even if you're a retard. This woman is a respectable woman.

Adrienne - I actually met Adrienne (along with about 10 other girls at the time) on the internet. You guys know what Face The Jury dot com is? Well....WAAAAAAY back in the day...it wasn't nearly as crazy as it is now...and we both had profiles. We both had a lot of the same interests...exchanged numbers...and became very close, long-distance friends. This girl is kind of emotional, a little trendy, but SUPER fun to talk to. She always keeps the conversation interesting...and she has no problem being honest. She is the only "net friend" of mine to survive to today, and one of few that I've met. She has given me countless pointers in dealing with girls, and dozens of tips on the next up-and-coming bands. She found Fall Out Boy (and showed me them) at least 4 years ago...back when they weren't so f**king whiney. This girl is a respectable girl...who will eventually turn into a respectable woman.

Marijah - Ah. The one-night stand that could have been so much more. On the last day of school my Junior year...I planned to meet a girl that I met on the internet. She turned out to be cuter than expected, but what drew me in to her was her ability to write poetry. She was amazing at it...and to this day...I have no doubt that she's still 100x better than me at writing it. After the party at her house...I woke up the next morning with two girls in my arms...one of them, topless. When I woke up...she woke up...and we ditched the topless one for breakfast. I learned a lot about her...and she, although one of the most insecure people I've ever met, was very good at keeping my attention. She wasn't the hottest girl ever...but her abilities and her personality kept me interested. I haven't talked to her in about a year and half now...but to this day...she is one of few girls that I give any respect to, mainly because of her openness about her flaws. She didn't hide them. She just ignored them. Very respectable.

Julianne - This is a girl that I went to church with for a good part of my life. While she was never really attractive, physically...her quiet persona, and silent stares intrigued me. I talked to her for a few years...and really got to know her. She's one of those quiet ones that you're supposed to watch out for...but not because she's a threat....but because she's FREAKING HILARIOUS! I definately miss seeing her so often, and now that she's in California...I hope she's doing well. This woman is respectable because she wouldn't speak until spoken to. (I know that sounds terrible...but let me finish.) She wouldn't go off on pointless rants...she wouldn't tell the world that she hated it's presence...she simply took it all in, and let it out when asked. She is intelligent, funny, and cunning...yet quiet. She is someone that I hope to meet up with soon, and try and do some catching up...because her insight into reality is something that is not so common amongst the female species. I would gladly stab someone for her.

Amanda - This is the most recent respectable one that I've met. She is a blonde, skinny, good-looking law-school student who is like...25 or 26. So she's a few years older than me. But since the day that we've joked around about astrology...we have discussed many different points of view on many different subjects. Honestly...you never really get to know the person until you talk to them about random stuff. And when we start talking...it goes for a good, long while. I'm not one who really likes the whole "talking on the phone" thing...but I enjoy spending phone-time with her. She opens my mind in different ways...and she keeps me interested. Hell...maybe one day I'll ask her out, or something...but I don't really know if that's what I want from her. She's cool as hell, and she gets MAD respect for staying true to who she is...even if the crowd is saying something else. She knows who she is, and that is respectable.

In short...those 5 girls represent the kinds of women that I enjoy intelligent conversations with, and they are allowed to make mistakes...because they are forgivable people. And at this point...I've realized that if a girl can not hold a decent conversation with you...she is not worth anymore than a *uck.

 

[Sammer VII]

You know what's weird?

WOMEN have been using ^^^this strategy for YEARS, only a lot of their usage seems to be more deceptive! You want to know how much your "first impression" REALLY counts? More than you could ever even imagine...and if you screw it up...you are EF YOU SEE KAY EE DEE, unless you're around them all the time (job, school, church, hobby, etc.)

And this...my dear friends...is why we must stop tolerating injustice. We must fight the sexual oppression that we face every day...because there is no way to overcome this enemy. The only option...is to underachieve. To fail their tests, ignore their corrections, and make our own path.

Guys...we've been playing the "good guy" for waaaaaaay too long. We've listened to these felines whine about their male-owners, we've allowed them soak our shoulders in their sadness, we've given them comfort in times of need....and now....IT IS OUR TURN to be heard. It's our turn to be the decision makers. It is our turn to start taking control of our own destiny. There is no knowledge that is not power...and knowing what we know now...we have become more powerful than before.

It's time to let go of that dumb hoe who won't notice that you're the only one who cares about her feelings. If you're the only one that listens...why isn't she giving you anymore credit than a phone call? If she hasn't noticed by now...it's because she's ignoring you (even though YOU don't ignore her). If she hasn't said anything to you by now...it's because she's too insecure with her own status to try and discuss it (and she'd feel bad for telling you that she doesn't like you like that). If she hasn't kissed you by now...it's because she's saving it for someone else.

I don't know about you guys...but that PISSES ME OFF! Sure...Rally found a sweet girl, and he's got himself a respectable woman. But do you realize how few of those girls actually EXIST?? That's because WE'VE ALLOWED THEM TO RUN RAMPANT FOR TOO LONG! We've let their sexual appeal control our drive. We've become victims to a weakness in pleasure...and this is unacceptable.

So with that...I'm finished. I'm through with being used for support. I'm sick of being the one who gets to talk on the phone...while my friend gets to *uck her backwards. I've had enough of the days where stupid *itches use their "sexual appeal" to get me to do things without any type of payment.

From now on...I will decide whether or not the girl is worth MY time. Whether or not her intentions are to keep me around...or to use me for her own purpose.........UNLESS SHE DESERVES SOMETYPE OF RESPECT...the only thing she will get without any type of mental/emotional effort is a huge, steaming pile of C0ck.

If I'm going to invest my time in a woman...it's going to be a *ucking WOMAN...and not a crack *****. Not a girl who can't say "Thank You" once in a while. Not a girl who ignores me when I've had a bad day. Not a girl who always has a problem that is "so much worse" than what I'm going through. Not some girl who tells me about her guy problems. (SHE'S MY GIRL PROBLEM!) Not some idiot who thinks her that licking her lips and rubbing her breasts will make me hunch over in attraction...she's nothing more than than a cheap Cinemax channel, and a boring one at that.

So today...I make a stand. I'm going to stand for the respectable woman, and denounce the gorgeous one. I'm going to lower physical standards in order to raise mental ones...even if it means that I will be laughed at. I'm sick of dealing with *ucked up women, and I'm ready for a change. I'm tired of spending money on a girl who doesn't understand how hard I work for that money. The feminist has turned into the spoiled-rotten heartbreaker, and this is unacceptable.

So, if you see women around you who flaunt their good looks, but are disgusted by the men who make the comments....YOU BE THAT MAN, and MAKE THAT COMMENT. You make her as uncomfortable as possible, because she does NOT belong in YOUR presence. Make HER leave because you've disgusted her by showing her the mirror.

If you see a woman who listens to men, who understands how to appreciate your input, and makes the effort to make things "right" instead of "her way"...then you congratulate her. Take her out for a nice dinner. Reward her for being the kind of person that you are looking for, even if you don't want to be with her.

I'm moving for progressive action in influencing the girls of today to be better than the girls of my generation. Your ability to *uck and massive tits should not determine how high in the "career ladder" you get, unless you're in the porn/stripper business. If you find women that act as such...treat them as such.

Women are going to be held accountable for their actions...JUST LIKE THE MEN, and only the respectable ones should be given any type of chance! We are going to make the hoes feel like the pieces of sh*t that they've made us feel like for the past decade. That popular girl who points fun at the nerds needs to realize that her receding hairline is a sign of how quickly her tits will start to sag (by the time she's 22). Remember the slut who you originally had a crush on...yeah...the same one that's been screwing your friends and telling you about it...yeah...she's on thin ice, now.

No longer are you guys victims of sexual oppression. You have been educated. You have been warned.

From now on...all problems with women are OUR fault for not recognizing their deception from the beginning. WE are not idiots...we are MEN! And it's time that we start acting like it. It's time that we start holding them accountable for the damage that they've done.

Ladies...you are now responsible for E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G you say and do. We are watching, and we will remember. You are not our Gods. You are humans. You will now be treated as such.

Remember: Bros before hoes.​

This was not written by me, I read this by another guy who I happen to agree with whole-heartedly

 

[Cod3r]

^ ^ Way to long to read... but props for expending the energy bro


-Cod3r

 

[Sammer VII]

Lol, Thanks Cod3r.

 

[mrRuckus]

^ ^ Way to long to read... but props for expending the energy bro

That must be pretty cool to be so important and busy that you can't spend 5 minutes.

 

[logicallefty]

AMEN to this whole thread but I think the only way go get MEN in general to adhere to this new stand that needs taken is to put saltpeter in the water supply..

Those of us here reading this now are a good start but I don't think the masses will ever join us and that is very unfortunate.. As long as men have sex drive and women have t**s and a p***y, I don't see men taking a stand against this problem because there are just too many AFCs that will never get educated.. They will never find this site or other resources like it and just never know the true seriousness of the problem.. I also don't see any women doing anything to hand the control back over, why should they?? Again, awesome thread, right on.. :rockon:

 

[THE_ADDMAN]

Yes! Very nice we needed a thread like this

This is actually part of the basis of my personal method.

Girls live in a fantasy world where they can say and do whatever they want, and when they do something wrong, they can pin the blame on a guy.

Guys talk about these "girl tests" and how you need to pass them, but they dont realize that by doing something to pass the test, they are still WORKING FOR HER AFFECTION.

I am working on putting together my own "Method".

 

[Jack McCrack]

Wall of text.

Summary please.

 

[logicallefty]

Wall of text.

Summary please.

Why don't you read the whole thread and then you'll understand it and won't need it summarized.. Little long, true, but worth reading... I read both of Sammer's posts twice..

Classic example of "want it all this second without effort" generation...

 

[MisterNigma]

Good post.

I just see one small issue where I don't entirely agree.

I really don't have a problem telling the pretty b**ch anything she wants to hear,or passing that "test" in order to get her into bed.

The manipulative conniving b**tches out there should be used for our pleasure, their own manipulative, and gold digging methods should be used against them.

-E.Nigma

 

[THE_ADDMAN]

Good post.

I just see one small issue where I don't entirely agree.

I really don't have a problem telling the pretty b**ch anything she wants to hear,or passing that "test" in order to get her into bed.

The manipulative conniving b**tches out there should be used for our pleasure, their own manipulative, and gold digging methods should be used against them.

-E.Nigma

This is an issue that I am torn over.

yes, I do agree, women are manipulative, and deserve to have their tactics used against them to "give them a taste of their own medicine" as it were.

but that attitude doesnt solve anything. and in the end, you're filling your life with low-quality women.

as mature men, we need to devote ourselves to truth, and cutting through the bull****, rather than just trying to play their own game back at them.

 

[Brutus]

Guys talk about these "girl tests" and how you need to pass them, but they dont realize that by doing something to pass the test, they are still WORKING FOR HER AFFECTION.

I see what you're saying, there was a debate around this issue on this board before: aren't PUAs essentialy doing the same thing as AFCs? They both use techniques, it's just that PUA techiques (DHV, push-pull, C+F...) work right and AFC tehniques (basically kissing a$$) work wrong.

The famous Pook talked about it - and he is right. In both cases, the focus is on a woman. We all know he emphasized that focus should be on you.

So to me, there are two ways of dealing with tests - the first one is, you recognize it (because you read about it on sosuave or/and elsewhere) and do what you are supposed to do to pass it. This is when you used technique, it's the PUA way.

The other way is, you HONESTLY don't care about her tests and games and although you also recognize them, you just do what you want to do, regardless of what she'll think about you. I'm far from being on this level, but I believe this is the DJ way.

 

[realsmoothie]

This is an issue that I am torn over.

yes, I do agree, women are manipulative, and deserve to have their tactics used against them to "give them a taste of their own medicine" as it were.

but that attitude doesnt solve anything. and in the end, you're filling your life with low-quality women.

as mature men, we need to devote ourselves to truth, and cutting through the bull****, rather than just trying to play their own game back at them.

This isn't a war. Only a manipulative child would try and "fight" those kind of women... a real man would see them for what they are and either ignore them or say something that might help them in the long run.

Women are people too. Just because some of them (some, LOL) are pretty messed up doesn't make them evil or less deserving of change than anyone else.

 

[THE_ADDMAN]

I see what you're saying, there was a debate around this issue on this board before: aren't PUAs essentialy doing the same thing as AFCs? They both use techniques, it's just that PUA techiques (DHV, push-pull, C+F...) work right and AFC tehniques (basically kissing a$$) work wrong.

The famous Pook talked about it - and he is right. In both cases, the focus is on a woman. We all know he emphasized that focus should be on you.

So to me, there are two ways of dealing with tests - the first one is, you recognize it (because you read about it on sosuave or/and elsewhere) and do what you are supposed to do to pass it. This is when you used technique, it's the PUA way.

The other way is, you HONESTLY don't care about her tests and games and although you also recognize them, you just do what you want to do, regardless of what she'll think about you. I'm far from being on this level, but I believe this is the DJ way.

exactly ur a wise one
put it into better words than I could've...

You're STILL reacting to her, and using techniques because you want(need) her approval and sex.

like Pook said, you might not be average (or you might be) or frustrated, but you're still a chump.

I dont try to pass tests. I do or say what *I* want. If it happens to pass or fail her test, I dont care.

while shes reeling around in her head, trying to decide whether I passed or failed her test, I'm already off doing the next thing on my agenda. and guess what? either way, she usually chases me down.

this is why I say the focus has to be on YOU! its a simple concept, but very few people on this forum understand that.

The second you free yourself from needing her approval/sex/whatever (and eliminate your pride), her games fall apart. And thats how you regain your power.


realsmoothie, I disagree. It IS a war.

the problem is, that if you try to play her games back at her, she'll one-up you. you'll one-up her, and it'll repeat. How healthy is that relationship?

women are children playing games. by being a real man, not having time to play games with her, you take all the power back.

 

[realsmoothie]

realsmoothie, I disagree. It IS a war.

the problem is, that if you try to play her games back at her, she'll one-up you. you'll one-up her, and it'll repeat. How healthy is that relationship?

women are children playing games. by being a real man, not having time to play games with her, you take all the power back.

In a war you are trying to kill your opponent. Eliminate them.

Relationships with women do not lead to their death. This might sound ridiculous, but you're the one using the logic of war, not me.

You're much better off trying to persuade them to your way on equal footing than trying to dominate them. It's not YIN/YIN or YANG/YANG... it's YIN/YANG.

Any woman who's manipulative, gold-digging, etc. might have issues, but I'm telling you they'd be much happier if they realized what they were doing to themselves. Fighting them doesn't help this... it only makes their ego want to continue.

But it appears that we agree on the methodology, strangely enough!

 

[Mr_knowit_all]

I agree with almost everything in your post, but seriously, as I've stated before, no matter how many guys jump on this "Holding hoes accountable" band wagon, there will always be some ****less AFC willing to cater to her needs.

As long as that's the case, I'm not sure if true change is possible. I do, however, think that if enough guys take this advice to heart, it will have a tangible impact on these cvnts and the manipulative monstrosities they've committed on men over the years.

Perhaps when they find out that their beauty doesn't impart special status, and their silly games don't have the same affect, they'll finally realize the error of their ways.

 

[THE_ADDMAN]

well good your methodology must be correct then

 

[realsmoothie]

I agree with almost everything in your post, but seriously, as I've stated before, no matter how many guys jump on this "Holding hoes accountable" band wagon, there will always be some ****less AFC willing to cater to her needs.

As long as that's the case, I'm not sure if true change is possible. I do, however, think that if enough guys take this advice to heart, it will have a tangible impact on these cvnts and the monstrosities they've committed on men over the years.

Yeah, you're right to a point. But I think that if you consider yourself the "prize", a b*tchy manipulative girl might recognize something in herself and see that what she really wants is a man and not some AFC chump.

If you have to, flat out tell her this. I've let go on a couple of girls in my time... not MY girlfriends because I've never ever provided $ or whatever to a girl (never HAD any $) but stupid chicks that have manipulated my friends.

Guys, too...

 

[MisterNigma]

You guys are taking this far too seriously . . .

Leave emotions out of the equation. Things suddenly become clear . . .

 

[MisterNigma]

Que Sera Sera

This is an issue that I am torn over.

yes, I do agree, women are manipulative, and deserve to have their tactics used against them to "give them a taste of their own medicine" as it were.

but that attitude doesnt solve anything. and in the end, you're filling your life with low-quality women.

as mature men, we need to devote ourselves to truth, and cutting through the bull****, rather than just trying to play their own game back at them.

I'm not advocating devoting time to low quality women, what I am advocating is the use of them for your own carnal pleasures.

By reversing the manipulations, you may in fact force many of these "low quality" women to re-examine their behavior.

How do you think a b**tch will react after you f*ck her in one night, and then tell her that you want nothing to do with her b/c she is a golddigger, or emotional leech, slut, etc . . .?

For long term relationships, I believe you should definately stick to only high quality girls.

If however your goal is to get some very nice looking piece of @$$ go ahead and manipulate.