Woman beater = alpha male?

[n00bPimp]

Since I've noticed that chicks that get beaten by their bfs/husbands often stay with them, I think theres a corelation with getting beaten up and attraction. I know i may get flamed for this because it may seem like a stupid question but i think its a valid point.... I was wondering if beating my girl or at least threatening beatings would make her stop seeing me as an afc and more as an alpha male. Thanx guys.

 

[ethnomethodologist]

's called controlling a persons life. It's not alpha to make people FEAR you, it's alpha for people to RESPECT you. Back in the day, cavemen didn't beat on their wives, they beat on other males. They didn't beat on other males for the hell of it. They did it to determine who was more powerful.

These days, these FREAKS, decide to beat on their wives, because there is no other way to DISCIPLINE them.

taima

 

[KontrollerX]

Women who stay with abusive men are suffering from a condition known as Stockholm Syndrome where a person gets so psychologically messed up from the abuse they start to look for real and imagined small acts of kindness from the abuser and then like an addict they get addicted to this cycle and cannot leave.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_Syndrome

So to answer your question no a guy that does this to a woman is not alpha or whatever term this site uses these days for totally awesome chick magnet.

Nope a guy like that remains what guys like that have always been...

Cowards.

Cowards who belong in prison.

 

[S1NN3R]

Super. I sign up here seconds ago and the first post I come across is one that makes me want to give up on this species.

I hope you're asking this question for purely philosophical reasons and not actually asking people if they think you should beat your girl. If you beat your girl, you should go to jail, or at the very least be subjected to the whims of 47 of her best friends, cousins, old aquaintences, and so on until the very sight of a fist makes you quiver in a corner like a ferret on speed (suffice it to say, I'm not very tolerant of so-called domestic abuse). The one and only time I've been arrested was when a good friend's boyfriend hit her. He spent more time in the hospital than I did in jail, so it worked out well. If you need to hit a woman to make her stay with you, you should just quit now.

Besides, the women who stay with men who abuse them are weak women, women with lots and lots of personal problems , primarily ungodly low self-esteem or fear of the repercussions of leaving. It's not an alpha male attraction thing.



(swell first post, huh? )

 

[Wyldfire]

Since I've noticed that chicks that get beaten by their bfs/husbands often stay with them, I think theres a corelation with getting beaten up and attraction. I know i may get flamed for this because it may seem like a stupid question but i think its a valid point.... I was wondering if beating my girl or at least threatening beatings would make her stop seeing me as an afc and more as an alpha male. Thanx guys.

Oh boy...

I was married for 10 years to a man who beat me. After awhile the ONLY way he ever got sex was if he raped me because he repulsed me so badly. Once I got to the point that I would rather be dead than in his company I finally got smart and left. To this day, he still makes my skin crawl and repulses me. He's almost 45 years old now. He hasn't had a date in over 5 years and prior to that he couldn't keep a girlfriend for longer than 3 months. He's going to die miserable and alone.

Abusive men are the worst AFCs there are out there. They lack self control so badly and are so terrified of being left and so pathetically insecure that they beat on women.

So the answer is no...don't start being a woman beater or even threaten to be one...unless your goal is to become a pathetic pvssy of the worst kind.

 

[everywomanshero]

Just don't ever fight anyone unless you have *no* other choice. It will result in being jailed, and you will be forced to live as a middle class loser while everyone else on sosuave has a beach house with phat hoes up in the mutha. DO U REALLY WANT TO END UP SOME MIDDLE CLASS LOW LIFE? JESUS H CHRIST DONT EVER DO ANYTHING THAT WILL GET U ARRESTED OR EVEN CONSIDER IT AS AN OPTION OR WONDER IF IT WOULD HELP YOU.

 

[Wyldfire]

Women who stay with abusive men are suffering from a condition known as Stockholm Syndrome where a person gets so psychologically messed up from the abuse they start to look for real and imagined small acts of kindness from the abuser and then like an addict they get addicted to this cycle and cannot leave.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_Syndrome

So to answer your question no a guy that does this to a woman is not alpha or whatever term this site uses these days for totally awesome chick magnet.

Nope a guy like that remains what guys like that have always been...

Cowards.

Cowards who belong in prison.

Nah...that's a cop out. Women who stay with abusers do so because it fulfills some kind of sick need they have at that time. Sometimes they believe they are bad and think they deserve to be punished. Sometimes their father was abusive and they are trying to relive the past and get different results. In my case...my family never showed emotion...either good or bad. I sort of grew up repressing feelings...just ignoring them as if they didn't exist. Along comes this guy I had a very passionate relationship with...all negatively charged and volatile, mind you...but by God it made me feel something. That's why I stayed as long as I did. Once I outgrew that sick little need he fulfilled I was out the door and fast.

 

[backbreaker]

It's not Stockholm syndrome (at least most of the times), nor is it "stupid women"

women aren't stupid, they are just misunderstood becuase they don't think like men.

This just goes to show how much the average AFC is dispised by women in reality.

I honestly believe that 8 out of 10 times, if a woman had or thought she had a better option,s he would leave.

She isn't going to leave her BF or husband to be single, espically when he has that type of control over her.

The problem is that there are very little men that can actually have the good of the AFC and the good of the abusive BF, which is US.

Keep in mind there are two types of AFC's.. the "good guy" but Jerks are also a form of AFC's as well. They just work differently, both hide their insecurities in different ways.

I'm sure Wyldfire's ex hubby had SOME good qualities about him.. she wouldn't have married him if he didn't.

It's like my old oneitis, who had this BF for 3 years, and she used to tell me every damn day how she was going to leave him, and one day I told her I don't want to hear it, because if he was that bad of a BF she would have left a long time ago.. needless to say, I didn't hear another word from her about him, and she left him a month or so later after a 3 year relationship.. not that I had anything to do with it, it was just a matter of time, but women have a tendency to paint guys as all bad or all good.

With that said, no man, even if married has the right to rape a woman. If a woman hits me, like not play hits me but really hits me, I am going to hit her back, but it's not manly to just go around beating the crap out of women just becuase you are a "man"

 

[Damian]

An alpha male is able to stay calm and in control of the situation no matter what crap is going on around him. Emphasis on CALM and IN CONTROL.

A man who beats his wife is, in fact, the exact opposite of what an Alpha male symbolizes. Because he doesn't have the social skills to control the situation around him, and also because he cannot even control himself, he resorts to violence as a means of exerting some sort of dictatorial power over his wife. Because he cannot use his own mental influence to control his situation, he resorts to violence, anger, and fear. He is simply the grown-up version of the three-year-old in the mall who throws a screaming temper tantrum when he doesn't get his candy. NOT ALPHA.

You want to be alpha? Sure. First you need to set your resolve, your greater purpose. An objective of sorts. Then stand by what you believe in and don't give any of it up. An alpha will never become aggressive or dramatic to get what he wants. The moment you lose your calm, is the moment you lose control and you stop being an Alpha male. About control? An alpha will always have a stronger frame, and will always be prepared to reinforce his frame if confronted with a sh!t test or any AMOG. Most of all, the Alpha is imperturbable and unflappable because he knows exactly who he is and is not willing to compromise his integrity. Anything else is just a result of the mentality.

-Damian

 

[MetalFortress]

"I was wondering if beating my girl or at least threatening beatings would make her stop seeing me as an afc and more as an alpha male."

I wonder whatever happened to that guy who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question"...

 

[Killswitch]

ummm... yeah

Dont listen to them, I have found that nothing gets them wet more then having two black eyes. :trouble:

Shocker

Since I've noticed that chicks that get beaten by their bfs/husbands often stay with them, I think theres a corelation with getting beaten up and attraction. I know i may get flamed for this because it may seem like a stupid question but i think its a valid point.... I was wondering if beating my girl or at least threatening beatings would make her stop seeing me as an afc and more as an alpha male. Thanx guys.

 

[Fash]

No need for any thesis.

Any man who beats a woman is a Gutless, Pathetic, Spineless wretch, not even worthy of been called a boy, nevermind a man.

The only thing lower than a man who beats women is a Paedophile.

Totally agree.

However, women do enjoy the odd soft slap during sex. I think it is to do with being dominated and being told what a naughty girl they are!

You need to be careful that you dont get carried away though, once as I was absolutely ravaging this girl, I slapped her face, she loved it and said "harder!!!" so I did! :nervous:

Lets just say I slapped her a little harder than I should have! she started crying!!! kinda ruined the moment. But it was funny afterwards.

 

[LowPlainsDrifter]

One theory I heard about why women stay in an abusive relationship is that they are addicted to the cresendo of fear and pain during the abusive stage, and the relief that follows when the episode "subsides."

 

[Wyldfire]

One theory I heard about why women stay in an abusive relationship is that they are addicted to the cresendo of fear and pain during the abusive stage, and the relief that follows when the episode "subsides."

As a woman who stayed with an abuser for 10 years I've told you guys exactly what makes a woman stay. The volatile relationship fulfills a sick need the woman has. That particular need varies from woman to woman. One of the most common is that the woman has a belief that she is bad and needs to be punished for being a bad person. You see that mostly in women who have been abused, neglected or molested as children.

With some women it could be an addiction to fearn and pain, etc...but only if that is the sick need that is being met by the abusive relationship. It's always about some need being met, though.

 

[Desdinova]

Women will make excuses for their abuser's actions. You'll hear 5hit like "He's really a good person, he just has a quick temper" or "I deserved it". The only reason a woman stays with abusive men is because she make excuses for him. If the man is a controlling bastard, he'll help put those excuses into her mind.

I know a woman who stayed with an abusive husband for 4 years. Her reasons for staying:
"He's a good father"
"I'm doing it for my kids"
"He's really not a bad person"
"He can be very sweet"
"I know what he's REALLY like"

Even though she has scars on her body from the abuse, she ignored them and continued to stick up for him.

 

[Wyldfire]

Women will make excuses for their abuser's actions. You'll hear 5hit like "He's really a good person, he just has a quick temper" or "I deserved it". The only reason a woman stays with abusive men is because she make excuses for him. If the man is a controlling bastard, he'll help put those excuses into her mind.

I know a woman who stayed with an abusive husband for 4 years. Her reasons for staying:
"He's a good father"
"I'm doing it for my kids"
"He's really not a bad person"
"He can be very sweet"
"I know what he's REALLY like"

Even though she has scars on her body from the abuse, she ignored them and continued to stick up for him.

That's actually co-dependency and enabling. Although you do usually find that in abusive relationships you'll also find the same excuse making done by not only the spouse but the children, parents, siblings and friends of alcoholics. It's not exclusive to abusive relationships, though. It's just a by-product of a co-dependent relationship.

On edit...ironically, you also hear men do this alot too. If they are staying with someone who treats them like crap just because they get sex or the woman is pretty...it's the same thing. "I know she's a biotch, but she's hot and I'm getting sex."

 

[handle]

Let me tell you, I know some guys who were quite manipulative and downright horrible with their girlfriends and these people are the ultimate AFC, the AFC that is so screwed up the only way he can keep a relationship is abuse.

 

[LeviathanIYG]

Since I've noticed that chicks that get beaten by their bfs/husbands often stay with them, I think theres a corelation with getting beaten up and attraction. I know i may get flamed for this because it may seem like a stupid question but i think its a valid point.... I was wondering if beating my girl or at least threatening beatings would make her stop seeing me as an afc and more as an alpha male. Thanx guys.

You're a TOOL.

Women beaters aren't alpha males.

Find other ways to lose your AFCness

 

[ethnomethodologist]

You're a TOOL.

Women beaters aren't alpha males.

Find other ways to lose your AFCness

LOL, good point IYG(what's that stand for, and what other names do you post under elsewhere?)

n00bpimp, if you really want to know? Don't do it, you won't do it properly, and you'll get pounded by family and friends if they ever find out.

If you really want to know the reason, keep in mind your feelings, let yourself be controlled by them, let your feelings tell you what the logic REALLY is, nevermind if the logic is in fact false.

Go find yourself a REAL b!tch. Give her some money, don't annoy her, be absolutely submissive, just try and be around her, call her up and ask if there's anything you can do for her. When she begins to take advantage of you, position yourself to be manipulated, if you recognize it, tell her how much it turns you on. Make sure she KNOWS manipulating you is EASY, and make sure she gets pleasure from doing so.

After a period of time, no telling how long, but you will know. She will begin calling you, to ask you to come and be manipulated. You obey her, and come. The twist NOW is, you start to make little fvck ups, you get her annoyed now, you make her do a little bit of work. If you can get her drunk, all the better, twist her mind into a frantic anger, and let her take her anger out on you. Prey on her past problems, and manifest them within yourself.

It'll take some work, but with enough practice you can become great at being a pushover. It's a dangerous road, when she loves to hate you. Call her family now, and put some thoughts into her head, about things that are totally false, make them believe that she is going against their wishes. Make sure they don't tell her WHO told them, so make sure the complaint is unrelated to your situation with her.

In the midst of confusing her about your true self... While your pulling the wool over her eyes... Whilst you manipulate her into being a manipulator... Try and find when she is vulnerable. When you do find when she is vulnerable, like when she is sad, or an actual probelm in her life has come up. Overblow some random situation, make her know that she is not the weakest. You have to out pitify her.

After you have done the job correctly, and she begins to OWN your life. When you get a call at work, and she starts to control who your friends are, and where you are allowed to go. THAN you try to take your life back, start standing up to her, BE A MAN!! This will get her even more confused, it will make her HOT, and she will begin to chase you. B!tch at her a few times for things that she has done to you in the past, make it seem like it was ALL HER FAULT!!!

You'll notice some opportunities to get in some conversational cheap shots(do a search, somebody actually did some research and made a list, I copy and pasted it into a thread on this site) These will get her VERY confused, and she will get angry, and she will try to take back some of the power.

THESE are the moments that she feels like she wants to HIT you, and HURT you for being stupid. Well not the monent, it's the moment when you can pull the trigger per se, and she will be tensing her muscles at your stupidity, but she won't be able to let you go, since your lives are so intertwined.

NOW you make mistakes in her vicinity. Get her to slap you, insult her dignity, and her pride. Insult her family, and her future, and past. Make them short bursts, this will drive her into, not a fit of rage, but a fit of depression. She will feel her control on her life slipping, and the only way to regain it, is TO MAKE THE BAD WORDS STOP.

After that, both of your minds should have anchored all the negative feelings required for you to know the answer to your question.

 

[LeviathanIYG]

It stands for "Improve Your Game" It's the name of the company I opend but I put things on hold because I want to move to L.A first.

and I post on other forums as AngelusPUA.